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Southie: I am sorry for you if age has not made you grow up.

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Again, more personal attacks. is this your mature way of arguing? just become someone is 'irreligous' doesn't mean you need to use such derogatory tone. i dont know what your goal is here,but it seems like trashing people is essential for you in order to prove a senseless point. if irreligious views are so offensive, i am sure all of us here with nonreligious attitude must have offended Psyah just as much as you, but you can see the difference in his tone vs yours. if anything, religion should teach you patience and tolerance.

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Please answer my post instead comparing to someone else.

I do not argue, nor there is anything immature in my post you quoted.

Stay on the course. Thank you very much.

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I have answered your posts several times, but here we go again :

i am not arguing the facts. just stating them. it’s not a choice, just like being heterosexual isn’t.

not believing in 3 large religions should not be offensive to anyone.

religious no, secularly yes. if anything, more and more people ARE supporting homosexuals choice to live the way they want. you cannot decide who is in their right minds or not. i wonder who gave you the authority to decide what someone should or shouldn’t do.

again same old rubbish logic.. please find me evidence that male and female only have sex due to anatomy and not for pleasure.Even you know you’re lying here and have been for the past 10 posts.

There are those homosexuals that believe in religion so they donot live a gay lifestyle. however, it doesn’t mean they stop being a homosexual. they still have the desire but they suppress it. if one doesn’t believe in religious values, why should they suppress their desires which doesn’t harm anyone? who are you to decide that they shouldn’t be gay anymore??

absolutely not. abuse is when heterosexual people bring children in this world that they cannot take care of. doesn’t matter if gay couple adopts them or straight, as long as the children are loved and cared for, thats what makes a difference.

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Like I said it is not about the choice or lack of choice at all. It is about what is right and what is wrong.

Try not to legitimise something in the name of choice, since any murderer or abuser or pervert can come up with this excuse of not having the choice based on his mental condition of his/her action.

Not believing is different than making a mockery of three religious beliefs. Let alone of the vast majority of people of many different backgrounds, origin and religions.

You are free to believe whatever you want but discarding something just because it was posted on a religious site is not nice.

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You are being anti-religious. And using term "secular" to your advantage.

Secular is not equal to being irreligious...which you "claim" to be.

I know you are being rubbish here.

This is why I stopped responding to you in other thread, since you keep mixing pleasure with anatomy and keep putting pleasure as being more important factor but could not answer why bestiality, pedophilia and all other perverted acts are any different from homosexuality.

Make up your mind.

Say one point at a time. ** I can refute it with opposite view. If I get enough time and interest to engage with you. **

Pleasure is important, then it is false.

Genetics is the reason, then it is absolutely false.

Not being a psychological disease or perversion? It can be countered.

You already wanted to forget APA ludicrous decision. And jumped on to the opinions of so called champions of psychiatry. Remind you.

Any argument you bring one by one, you can be refuted.

If one does not believe in religion then they CAN and SHOULD suppress those feeling, if not then at least not ACT on it. Find the ways to live like so many other human being and not live like animals.

Disagree.

*Making children live in homosexual environment is their psychological abuse. *

What if the children were to not like this sick behavior when grow up, but have a dilemma to be forced to like it since they were nurtured by homosexual people?

Don't you think they are placed in an environment which makes them very difficult to make an image of who is mother and who is father since the whole world has a normal environment of a family structure based of mother father figures?

Come one get real. Don;t argue on this one please.

And again, sodomy cannot be accepted as a normal behavior.

I think you skipped that from my earlier post. ;)

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Peace bella88

This is the last part of the abstract …

“We conclude that the locus cloned in cosmids c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2.”

This is stating in no unclear terms that speciation is a single generation mutation. Furthermore it is assuming that this “fusion” is happening across at least a whole group of multiple individuals at the same time (plus or minus 1 or two generations) in order for the locality to continue reproducing in accordance with their newly acquired chromosomal structure.

And lastly if the two apes can be identified with the chromosomal structures that are said to be the precursors for human gene expression then - name them … and show the specimens that are said to be them. … but this is not possible because conveniently DNA perishes after a few hundred years … most fossils are as a good as rock at the microscopic level. And why should a parental chromosomal structure just stop? Why can’t it continue? What makes it possible or probable that it will die off allowing the mutated specimens from taking over?

Are those two chromosomes even possible to exist in living organisms like apes? And all they have to do is reproduce them … note: they may end up producing nothing at all or might produce a strange hybrid animals incapable of reproduction …

If there are not intuitive leaps of faith being made here that you can see then I am surprised … Darwin thought the simpler the organisms become the simpler it would be to explain diversification. It turns out that cellular biology and genetics adds complexity to life and it does not simplify it … The natural map of life is like a fractal pattern - we think the further in we go the pattern should become simpler, but instead we get a more complex picture … evolution should have been forsaken ages ago …

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murder is the same as homosexuality? okay. great analogy. i guess you cant distinguish between harming others and personal lifestyle which doesn't affect others.

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Not believing is different than making a mockery of three religious beliefs. Let alone of the vast majority of people of many different backgrounds, origin and religions.
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how did i make a mockery? not having a certain belief is not the same as mockery. and i didn't bring this topic here either, you did. i could care less what you think of homosexuality. your views don't change facts as much as you would like to think they do.

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You are free to believe whatever you want but discarding something just because it was posted on a religious site is not nice.
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but its okay when i post something from a scientific site and it gets discarded. nice.

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You are being anti-religious. And using term "secular" to your advantage.
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nope not at all. secular just means non religious, big difference from being 'anti'. look into that.

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This is why I stopped responding to you in other thread, since you keep mixing pleasure with anatomy and keep putting pleasure as being more important factor but** could not answer why bestiality, pedophilia and all other perverted acts are any different from homosexuality**.
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this has to be the world's lamest reason for being anti-gay. mabye to you there is no difference between abuse and consensual relations.

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Say one point at a time. ** I can refute it with opposite view. If I get enough time and interest to engage with you. **
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please, bring it on. no problem refuing all your baseless claims which you entirely make up yourself. they don't even have religious base.

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Pleasure is important, then it is false.
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so then why do people use birth control? aren't they having sex just for pleasure then? you dodged this question many times.

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Genetics is the reason, then it is absolutely false.
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geneticists and scientists disagree with you.

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Not being a psychological disease or perversion? It can be countered.
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if it were a disease, it would have been treated here like one. But since its not, who are YOU to call it a disease?

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You already wanted to forget APA ludicrous decision. And jumped on to the opinions of so called champions of psychiatry. Remind you.
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i said forget APA because you seemed to think they are useless. so i brought opionion of OTHER psychiatrists around the world. they are all wrong too then i guess, but only you're right.

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Any argument you bring one by one, you can be refuted.
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please do. you keep saying you can refute yet you cannot even explain your own twisted reasoning.

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If one does not believe in religion then they CAN and SHOULD suppress those feeling, if not then at least not ACT on it. Find the ways to live like so many other human being and not live like animals.
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who gets to decide how one should live? YOU? if someone doesn't believe in religion, why should they live according to your rules? as long as they don't hurt anyone else, you cannot dictate their lifestyle.some tolerance would be nice.
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Making children live in homosexual environment is their psychological abuse. **

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What if the children were to not like this sick behavior when grow up, but have a dilemma to be forced to like it since they were nurtured by homosexual people?
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more hilarious claims made up by you. what if a girl doesn't like wearing muslim dress code and feels forced because if she doesn't her parents will be upset. is that abuse then? what if a child doesn't want to wakeup at 5am to pray fajr but is forced by his parents to, is that abuse? what if a Sikh kid is forced to wear a turban by his parents that he doesn't like wearing, is that abuse? you cannot come up with what kind of environment is abuse just because their lifestyle is different from yours. abuse is when you NEGLECT your child, when you hit them unnecessarily or deny them of basic necessities. if religious upbringing is not abuse, neither should secular or homosexual parents be.

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Don't you think they are placed in an environment which makes them very difficult to make an image of who is mother and who is father since the whole world has a normal environment of a family structure based of mother father figures?
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children need love and care, and they are much better off in a homosexual family rather than rotting in an orphanage or being with parents who don't want to take care of them. children growing up in gay families turn out just as normal as straight ones. what about children in religious homes who are made to do things such as fasting for long hours in ramadan? do you call that abuse? i am not saying it is, but using your logic, it seems like anything can be considered abuse. do you see the huge flaw in your logic now?

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And again, sodomy cannot be accepted as a normal behavior.

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a lot of things straight people do isn't normal either. and secondly, if normal means different from mainstream then its abnormal, but then so is being left handed, since its not as common as being right handed. you should start telling lefthanded people to switch to being right handed since thats the normal way. and third, everyone has a right to live the lifestyle they want regardless of how 'abnormal' you think they are.

just like you have the right to practice the faith you choose, everyone has the right to choose the lifestyle they want without harming others. intolerance is where YOU get to tell what they should or shouldn't do simply because it makes you feel uncomfortable. using your logic, MANY things that are supposed be Islamic way of life, can seem 'abnormal' to those who don't believe in Islam. does that mean they should tell YOU how to live your life? i am sure you would get offended if someone tells you how you should live your life, so the same goes for them.

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more hilarious claims made up by you. what if a girl doesn't like wearing muslim dress code and feels forced because if she doesn't her parents will be upset. is that abuse then? what if a child doesn't want to wakeup at 5am to pray fajr but is forced by his parents to, is that abuse? what if a Sikh kid is forced to wear a turban by his parents that he doesn't like wearing, is that abuse? you cannot come up with what kind of environment is abuse just because their lifestyle is different from yours. abuse is when you NEGLECT your child, when you hit them unnecessarily or deny them of basic necessities. if religious upbringing is not abuse, neither should secular or homosexual parents be.

children need love and care, and they are much better off in a homosexual family rather than rotting in an orphanage or being with parents who don't want to take care of them. children growing up in gay families turn out just as normal as straight ones. what about children in religious homes who are made to do things such as fasting for long hours in ramadan? do you call that abuse? i am not saying it is, but using your logic, it seems like anything can be considered abuse. do you see the huge flaw in your logic now?
a lot of things straight people do isn't normal either. and secondly, if normal means different from mainstream then its abnormal, but then so is being left handed, since its not as common as being right handed. you should start telling lefthanded people to switch to being right handed since thats the normal way. and third, everyone has a right to live the lifestyle they want regardless of how 'abnormal' you think they are.

just like you have the right to practice the faith you choose, everyone has the right to choose the lifestyle they want without harming others. intolerance is where YOU get to tell what they should or shouldn't do simply because it makes you feel uncomfortable. using your logic,** MANY things that are supposed be Islamic way of life, can seem 'abnormal' to those who don't believe in Islam. **does that mean they should tell YOU how to live your life? i am sure you would get offended if someone tells you how you should live your life, so the same goes for them.
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I suggest you stop riding high horse.

Also stop living in the old time when drugs, hippie-ism and maadar pidar azaad ludicrous sexual freedom was considered the norm.

There is resurgence of thought process and homosexuality is not considered as normal and acceptable behavior.

Even the person who was one of the key player in making homosexuality 'normal' behavior later found homosexuality CAN be changed.

Bella!

I can write a whole chapter on how homosexuality is utterly wrong act, but I still do not see you fit for the high level of discussion.

I can answer all of your points, one by one, but will probably start another thread sometime on it if I have interest.

Please do not drag ONLY Islam again. Other two large religions do not agree with what you said. My humble warning.

I have had enough of your silliness.While I am not sure but I can suspect which religion you actually belong to despite acting "irreligious". Keep your anti-Islam sentiment where they belong.

Thank you for opening up your nails and claws. :)

Why selective hatred towards Islam or Christianity bella?????

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It is not the religion which is on hot seat.

It is the so called idiot 'scientists' who I question.

There was no scientific, concrete, objective, measurable evidence provided when homosexuality was 'made' to be..... not a disease or perversion.

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nice thread. Dont know how i missed that. Read only first few posts.

In response to the original post: there is a principle called anthropic principle which is a philosophical answer to the question that why the universe is the way it is? The answer is that if universe was not the way it is then we would not be here asking this question. That principle became the back bone of cosmological science and study of the birth of universe

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Brilliant

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I have pledged a week ago not to enter into religious debates. But bella one disagreement on ur definition of secular

U state secular means non religious. I thought agnostic or atheist means non religious. But no matter Secular doesn't mean non religious.

Secular means separation of church and state
Secular means equal rights afforded to all faiths and beliefs (or lack of)
Secular means ability to practice ur religion freely without discrimination.
Secular is protection for ALL orientations.

Now is it perfect? No. Do I agree with France ban on hijab? Absolutely not.

But is it a step in right direction. Yes. IMHO.

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sarcasm appreciated. it achingly went down the gutter. wanted to ask more questions but seeing the state of thread it seems useless

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where did you perceive sarcasm dude? its a good topic. I was sincere in my appreciation

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yeah tlk right. btw just saw my prev post . i meant the thread went down the gutter. Anyways

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wth. are you smoking something or your self esteem is so low that you don't expect a sincere compliment? I added a proper and serious answer in my post, and also mentioned that i read only first few posts and then answered. SO what if people are talking about something else. I was referring to your original post.

You need to get over the unnecessary grudge that you have against me. I have noticed such attitude in your replies to me over and over again. if you dont want me to engage with you in any conversation then let me know. I wont. Its fine with me.

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Actually TLK brought the thread on a different tract. I did not see any sarcasm there.

rainydays when you asked question in post 5 the thread went in a specific direction.

Your first post had so broad question that it could go any direction.

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you're the one who thinks he's morally above others, not me. All I am saying is that some tolerance towards others would be nice, despite of how much you dont agree with their lifestyle

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Also stop living in the old time when drugs, hippie-ism and maadar pidar azaad ludicrous sexual freedom was considered the norm.
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im not a hippie, neither do i support drugs. please stop generalizing everyone just because they don't agree with something.

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There is resurgence of thought process and homosexuality is not considered as normal and acceptable behavior.
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many people can say polygamy is not a normal marriage, who gets to decide what should be allowed and whats not? i cant stand polygamy and i think its totally abnormal, but would i be fair if i say it shouldn't be acceptable? i could care less who does it and who doesn't as long as i am not doing it myself. same should go for you. secondly, it is actually widely accepted to be homosexual in most parts of the developed world. and third, you have every right to think of it as something 'abnormal' and you have every right to not 'like' it, but you have no right to dictate how others live their lives.

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Even the person who was one of the key player in making homosexuality 'normal' behavior later found homosexuality CAN be changed.
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if it were that easy to change, everyone would have changed, or at least majority would have. i have very close friends who are gay, they struggle every single day, if they could change, trust me they would.its heartbreaking really to see what they go through and here you are, claiming they can just change. stop spreading lies at least when you have no idea what its like and what they go through. Gay person cannot become heterosexual and the ones who are gay but don't act upon it, are are just suppressing their desires like a straight person who purposely wants to remain celibate.

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I can write a whole chapter on how homosexuality is utterly wrong act, but I still do not see you fit for the high level of discussion.
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please spare us the horror of your own twisted logic. you can't answer the most basic questions and you want to have high level of discussion?okay.

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I can answer all of your points, one by one, but will probably start another thread sometime on it if I have interest.
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yes of course, if you had answers you would have answered them, but you don't. you keep making up your own theories which have no religious basis even. religion never says that its not a choice, it simply states certain acts as being sinful. you on the other hand are making up your own theories which are so appalling.

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Please do not drag ONLY Islam again. Other two large religions do not agree with what you said. My humble warning
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where did i drag Islam at all? i never once stated religion. please stop lying, my humble warning.

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I have had enough of your silliness.While I am not sure but I can suspect which religion you actually belong to despite acting "irreligious". Keep your anti-Islam sentiment where they belong.
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which religion do i belong to? stop getting personal here and just stay with the topic. just a warning! i have not once said one thing that is anti-islamic. All I am saying is that homosexuality is not a choice, and it doesn't say anywhere in islam if it' a choice or not. it simple states certain acts as being sinful. and also, does Islam allow you to judge someone?

and since when is not believing a particular religion makes them 'anti' that religion?? never heard of this before. .

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Thank you for opening up your nails and claws. :)
Why selective hatred towards Islam or Christianity bella?????
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you are the one whos showing hate here not me. please stop lying. where have i showed ANY hatred towards Islam? prove it or stop lying. Stop making such accusations only because you know you have no actual evidence to support your theories so the only thing you can do is to attack someone and simply call me anti-religion. nice try!! You take my posts out of context and try to hightlight certain parts, how clever of you! very deceitful and dishonest.
**YOU have this habit of calling anyone anti-islam just because they disagree with YOU. how malicious. and it's also very unislamic to LIE, and be DISHONEST.
i have alot of respect for Muslims who are true to their religion and straightforward. never once have i attacked ANY religion. if anything, people who have strong faith are worthy of respect.
also, my parents are muslims and so are my siblings. I cannot possibly hate them. My husband is Catholic, so I cannot hate Christians either.

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i appreciated your response hence iquoted it. I intended to write, the thread went down... which had absolutely nothing to with your post, so tried clarifying that in the last post. I was intrigued to ask more, though very irrelevant questions but had left seeing the thread. Anyways

and as of smoking and low self esteem, i will check into that, specifically the smoking bit

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Why is it not considered a disease by medical organizations?