Do PATHAN men treat their ladies better than PUNJABI men???

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Respect your opnion that ethnically-mixed children are "confused and irritating"? I piss on your racist bigoted opinions.

Why don't you want an Islamic lecture? Are you not a Muslim? Or are you a Munafiq (Hypocrite) who only believes in Islam when it suits their agenda.

Nobody is telling you not to be Pashtun, just don't look down on other ethnic groups, Pashtuns are great people but they're not the best, all ethnic groups are equal, respect others if you want respect.

One of our neighbours in Pakistan married a Chinese woman from Hong Kong, she converted to Islam, learnt Pashto and moved back to our village with him, her children don't know a word of Chinese (or much English for that matter), they've never set foot outside their province, the only language they can speak is Pashto and some broken Urdu, would you classify them as non-Pashtuns too because they have slightly slanted eyes? You remind me of Voldermort with your racial-purity BS.

Being from two ethnciities is cool and so much fun, the only down side is arseholes like you who make mixed ethnicity/race people feel alienated from their ethnic group.

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The thread name suggests that topic is based on hatred....only those men treat their wives better who are better in their taqwa.

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Stop making things up.

Marrying 'outsiders' as opposed to 10 consecutive generations of first cousins obviously produces kids with less chance of genetic abnormalities as those dodgy genes tend to be gotten rid of (I do realise cousin marriage now and then within a family makes hardly any difference) and from a social point of view families tend to become more open-minded and less arrogant and insular. An extra 'perk' of mixed marriages is that the children often turn out stunningly attractive due to the 'blending' of different racial features. People who think interracial marriages are so bad are usually uneducated, backward-thinking fools who've never even had experience of these things.. I have been to **a couple of dozen **mixed weddings over here in the UK and they are all still going strong masAllah.

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It's usually insecure losers who are obsessed with ideas of cultural or racial purity, a sad way to feel good about themselves. ('I'm Pashtun so I'm automatically better than you' with no logic to back it up, it's these idiots who cling to the caste system and other cr*p cos they usually have nothing real to be proud of).

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You rock girl!!! :k:

In the last two posts you just said everything I wanted to say but couldn’t put it as eloquently as you. Hats of to you gurl. :salute:

Mix race children are the hottest :snooty:, most open minded and healthiest too.

Cousin marriages here and there as a one off are no problem but making a habit of it like most Pakistanis do increase the chances of passing on a genetic disease.

I married my cousin but it was a one off, there’s been no such marriages in my family as many generations back as I know and we weren’t forced into it, it was of our own free will, I liked her so I asked her permission first if I can ask for her hand in marriage and only then did I tell my mum to ask for her hand.

I love my maternal family and that’s probably one of the reasons I married her and I’ve always liked Punjabi girls, I think they have nicer warmer toned skin and are prettier and more feminine than a lot of other ethnicities.

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I m not authority to determine inter-ethnic marraiges. Lot of these type of marrages occur in pakistan. But unfortunately due to cultural gaps the children produced r confused that wat is their identity.. Some time they bcome pathan, some time punjabi . They have no fixed culture and identity thats why start shouting islam.
I know few persons whose mothers r frm punjab bt they r proud to b pashtuns and r not confused, these r respectable one.
The halfs shud go after their father side rather than bcoming confused that what is their identity.
If calling the pride of being pashtun is racism, then i weep over ur intellect.
And again, dont fool us on name of islam, enough of our blood has been spilled on the name of islam...

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idiot.. We r not talking abt cousin marraiges. Pashtun have 50 million population and marraige within pashtuns doesnt mean cousin marraige so there is no question of genetic problems.
I m going to marry afghan/pashtun girl frm nangarhar, afghanistan unlike u.

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I bet you yourself are from Nangarhaar as well, Afghans can't see unity amongst the various Pakistani ethnic groups.

Islam is a big part of my identity, and the identity of the majority of Pashtuns and Pakistanis.

If you spilt any blood in the name of Islam then that's your own stupidity and the fault of the goverments which manipulated you. Not my fault or the fault of Pakistani/Punjabi civillians.

The problem is not with Islam. The problem is with YOU and YOUR violent nature. Islam doesn't condone the shedding of innocent blood (Muslim or Kafir) but cavemen like you will do it in the name of Islam because it's in your barbaric nature, similarly when Islam preaches something beautiful like universal brotherhood and racial equality you don't want to hear it because it's against your racist nature.

There's a world outside your little clique, we're not living in your remote mountain village.

Inter ethnic/racial marriages are quite common in the modern world, your children or your grandchildren will probably marry non-Pashtuns (insha Allah) and if you try forcing them to marry only Pashtuns, not all of them will submit to your will and probably elope.

I know that in our culture lineage is traced through the paternal side, I have my fathers family name/lineage but ethnicity to me is just about language so I like to alternate between ethnicities: Pashtun, Punjabi, English (for the country I'm born in and live in).

Why is it neccesary to only have one identity? You are so BACKWARD and narrow minded.

If you were a bit open minded you'd be a happer person, people like you take unimportant things too seriously and it shows on your faces, you are the most murdah-dil, insecure people ever.

What great thing will be achieved if I solely identify as Pashtun? Will I be guranteed a place in Heaven? People like you are jokers. I like my Pashtun family but I'm not going to feel closer to a random Pashtun on the street over my Punjabi cousins, the latter is my blood.

Today ethnicity is just about the language we speak as mother-tongue, I love Punjabi and Pashto but I don't think we should be all crazy about them like they are a religion, they're just a form of communication, it's all going to get left behind, Islam will go with you to the grave not Pashto or Punjabi.

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The problem with people like you is you think you're better than everyone else and anyone who is not as bigoted as yourself and doesn't feel the need to identify with one group because they believe everyone is equal is confused in your opnion.

I'm not confused, I have Punjabi friends, Pashtun friends, I love Punjabi music, Pashto music (I listen to Tahir Shobaab as much as Abrar ul-Haq), Punjabi family, Pashtun family...

My sis married a Pathan guy, I married a Punjabi girl...

It's all cool, I've travelled all over Punjab and Pashtunkhwa, I'm not ashamed of either culture, I strongly believe NWFP should be renamed Pashtunkhwa and that Pashto should be it's national language not Urdu but I also believe in Pakistani/Islamic unity and that our country should work towards something along the lines of the European Union, multi-national in nature... Extreme insular types of nationalism will destroy our region, hating each other and laying the blame on each other will destroy our whole region.

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oh confused, u have actually made me cry.. In this post u hav shown ur mentality tht how low u think abt pashtuns . U hav call us stupid, barbaric, cavemen, backward.. For god sake call urself punjabi bt not pashtun. We pashtuns dont want confused like u ,feel free to call urself punjabi, pakistani or muslim bt dont try to adhere wid us.

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I wasn't referring to Pashtuns as an ethnic group, I love Pashto, Pashtuns and Pashtunkhwa, I was referring to cavemen like you!!! Brainless nincompoops like you who are a shame to your ethnicity.

Most Pashtuns are coool people but some have a cavemen mentality and are themselves responsible for the backwardness of their people before anyone else is.

Punjabis also have a lot of backward cavemen people, here I am arguing with a Pashtun but I also give a piece of my mind to Punjabis with a mentality like you, different language same mentality.

And who the hell are you to decide what I can and cannot identify with?? I have as much right to Pashto or any other language as much as you.

There was a time when my paternal cousins (who were racist like you) would badmouth Punjabis and I'd sit there twiddle my thumbs and nod at everything they said but now I give them a piece of my mind just as I give Punjabis who are racist to Pashtuns a piece of my mind.

You expect Pashtuns born of Punjabi mothers to identify solely as Pashtuns and join in on the racism against Punjabis when their own mothers and maternal families are Punjabi? That's easier said than done.

Would you be racist to your mothers tribe if there was a fight between your paternal and maternal tribe./clan? It's the same feeling.

I wont be wasting my time in this thread anymore, you're not worth it. So don't expect anymore replies.

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Get lost..
Another experience of mine of a confused product frm mixed marraiges.

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Nosherwan, **marwati **is a Pushtoon nationalist :(

I have seen their type.

To them, being Pushtoon is higher than nation, country and deen. They don't identify themselves as Pakistani but as Afghan, and they see Punjabis as godless folk who are the descendents of Hindus (factually incorrect may I add) who are out to kill innocent Pushtoons in the tribal belt.

Anything you say which at all suggests you don't believe the same is seen as a direct slight to Pushtoons.

It's sad really, particularly because Pushtoons have been foremost in the formation and defence of Pakistan, in Pakistani politics, media, arts, culture and military, hand in hand with their Punjabi, Sindhi and Kashmiri brothers (I'll freely admit we need greater Balochi involvement). Compared with Afghani Pushtoons, who, despite being the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan are under-represented in Afghan government, our Pushtoons have excelled in all walks of life.

Why this vitrole against Pakistan and Pushtoons who love Pakistan (even when Pakistan played a vital part in the Soviet Jihad and dealing with the millions of poor refugees who flocked to Peshawar and other cities) is beyond me.

Unfortunately, what **marwati **doesn't see is that being born from two different heritages does not automatically cause confusion and a lack of self-identity. I know so many mixed-children and mixed couples who are perfectly happy and as someone once said, the children born from such unions are almost always devestatingly beautiful - indeed, almost as if Allah the Almighty is showing us how beautiful a union bringing together two different people is.

PS: It is not a good idea to use the Islamic argument (brotherhood, ummah etc) with him - I well know the venom he probably thinks about our beloved Prophet (PBUH) and his deen.

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i m positive citizen of pakistan and m loyal to it bt that doesn mean tht i shud abondon my identity as pashtun who r 5000 year old people. i respect all proud punjabis, sindhis and balochs. bt mixed people r usualy not clear abt their identity as nowsherwan shows his confusion in post.
and tasaur dont teach me islam, we pashtuns r practical muslims and dnt boast abt it nor we use it to fool others.

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it wil b surprizing 4 u that in domicile of my father and grandfather, the ethnicity of them is written as afghan. afghan and pashtuns r two names of one people.

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What part of his post did you find confusing marwati?

I am telling you, I have known many many many people who are mixed and are perfectly happy. This myth that 'mixed children are confused' is perpetuated by racial puritans who want to keep their bloodline pure. Conflict **can **arise, of course it can, but that doesn't mean that conflict cannot be dealt with!

In a society such as Pakistan, are you saying a half-Pukhtoon half-Punjabi individual would feel confused? And if you are saying this, then what is the basis of your assumption? In terms of culture, religion and language what would be so different?

Regards Islam, my friend in one sentence you call yourself a practical Muslim and in another sentence you disapprove of mixed marriages when this is something that Islam recommends!

All Pushtoons are Afghans (not all Afghans are Pushtoons though), however being of a particular ethnicity and being of a particular nationality are different things. No one is asking you to forget your 5000 years of history (this is Bacha Khan's quote right?** "I am a Pashtun for 5000 years. I am a Muslim for 1400 years. I am a Pakistani for 40 years") **but the real test is in the question:

In a conflict, khuda na khuasta, between Afghanistan and Pakistan whom would you defend?

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marwati, I agree absolutely. Switching between two identities leaves you nowhere and in the end you are an "aadha teethar aadha batair" type thing ("na nar na khaza").

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Because your Islamic lectures are self-serving and opportunistic. Moreover, your style of argumentation seems to me like this, "if you people accept me or my view point then you are a good people but if you don't then you are a barbaric people, etc.". Now that is not rational.

Furthermore, the purpose of Islam is not to unite all humanity into one political entity but to link you with God. If you claim Islam is the basis of identity and nationhood then why does Pakistan abruptly stop at Khyber....it should be extended farther to inegrate Muslims all the way upto Maracco into one nation.

The reality is this Islamic unity and Islam as the basis of identity and nationhood is just a grand utopia that some people with identity crisis use for self-satisfaction..Muslims were never united in history and never will be ...

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Furthermore, the purpose of Islam is not to unite all humanity into one political ... yadayadaya......
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Who gave you the authority to intrepret what is or is not the purpose of Islam??

Islam is an ideology, a way of life, it's not limited to worship and spirituality, that's important too but Islam is more....

You claim to represent Pashtuns but your views are the opposite of all the Pashtuns I've come across.

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And who gave you the right to interpret Islam the way you are? Political unification is not the purpose of Islam neither that is possible as evidenced by the political history of Muslims who never were united except for the first 40 years of Islamic rule when the Ummah had not yet expanded. Today there are 55 Muslim countries because different people want to live according to their traditions and culture...

Moreover, have you met every single Pashtun to make that ridiculous claim?

In fact, those that suffer from identity crisis shout Islam, I agree with Marwati.