Re: do animals pray?
arrreey chotu! how much can I elaborate? just read thru the thread and all the elaboration is right there ... even mullah naseeruddin and banta singh can understand with so much elaboration but you cannot?
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It's not there uncle. In fact, you haven't elaborated at all - just rehashed the same...attitude. If you need time to think this out...go for it. No need to stall...
So that makes several questions now...the latter most intrigues me now. If you think you already "know" the answer...why bother asking at all?
Re: do animals pray?
^ nah chotu. I get bored if you make me repeat the same thing so many times. show some spirit and go read the question instead of being arguementative.
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^just copy n paste uncle from your previous posts.
Re: do animals pray?
^ nah chotu. I get bored if you make me repeat the same thing so many times. show some spirit and go read the question instead of being arguementative.
Oh wise one,
You haven't repeated anything except that you've done what you haven't...namely answered the question.
Re: do animals pray?
Coming back to the topic.
How do the religiousos reconcile between the thinking mind that looks for reason and equity with the obvious inequities and unquestioned (blind) faith that is demanded of them? The examples I have cited earlier (before slave started blabbering irrelevant pontification) in this thread.
Seems to me then that to be a religious muslim then demands a significant degree of hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty! Now, that is not why any code of ethics are intended for, so what are you guys missing?
pico: I'll take Hareem's advise and repeat the question for you. happy?
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Wow! I am amazed at your level of intellectual hypocrisy. I think PICO’s simple question was what do you constitute as ‘prayer’ in your question “do animals pray?”.
Is it ritual, supplication, thoughts or what? Surely, a person like you can grasp the simple and plain english in which the question is being asked.
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animals do pray. ever heards birds chirp in the morning. and Quran sharif says that all creatures pray to Allah swt. & human beings are animals too - only social animals.
Dushwari
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I’m amazed that you think there’s anything hypocritical on my side. if you have to be told what prayer means you’re not the right person for the job. I think pico will get the msg by himself but am sure he’s thankful for your able assistance.
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I'm amazed that you think there's anything hypocritical on my side. if you have to be told what prayer means you're not the right person for the job. I think pico will get the msg by himself but am sure he's thankful for your able assistance.
I guess hypocritical is where it starts as far as I've seen your arguments in this thread thus far. Pst! I'm not the only one saying this even if not directly.
"Right person for the job", are you posting a job opening for an Imam for leading animals in prayer.
So are you capable of doing the simple favour or courtesy of explaining what you meant by the word 'prayer' in your little question? Comon now man, enough terms have been thrown out in this thread, just take your pick for the sake of argument. Get off your diet stricken talk and beef up your argument.
Hey! We're all ears, will you please stop chirping and sound a roar now ...
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Waiting for the answer from Uncle Tariq Akhtar...............................................................................................
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You two can wait as long as you want - I've told you and pico chotu what is expected.if you still have no clue about the discussion, may be all that waiting will give you time to grow up and may be you should revisit in a couple of years. Who knows, may be you'll get it then!
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I guess hypocritical is where it starts as far as I've seen your arguments in this thread thus far. Pst! I'm not the only one saying this even if not directly.
"Right person for the job", are you posting a job opening for an Imam for leading animals in prayer.
So are you capable of doing the simple favour or courtesy of explaining what you meant by the word 'prayer' in your little question? Comon now man, enough terms have been thrown out in this thread, just take your pick for the sake of argument. Get off your diet stricken talk and beef up your argument.
Hey! We're all ears, will you please stop chirping and sound a roar now ...
Lol
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You two can wait as long as you want - I've told you and pico chotu what is expected.if you still have no clue about the discussion, may be all that waiting will give you time to grow up and may be you should revisit in a couple of years. Who knows, may be you'll get it then!
Looks like someone just buried their head in the sand. Anyway bhai, aap ki chudur chudur sun kar buhaat maza aya ...
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for example - polygamy is ok but polyandry is not (even if the woman is well to do and the men need support). I am against both but it seems religious muslims want polygamy and not polyandry.
for example - the hypocrisy of halal killing. what difference does it make to the animal how it is killed?
for example - one sect of islam refusing the beliefs of other sects within islam
for example - asserting that nations laws are subordinate to religious law
I can go on - big and small.
bottom line - it is impossible to be a thinking muslim without being a hypocrite, going by what I read here
USR and pico i though i will avoid this guy but this is the drift he got in the thread and i rest my case here.
Check out the name of the thread and the drift the thread opener himself gets in, i feel its funny.
Now what do i have tell this guy who is a narcissist and defines himself to be the most intellectual non-religiouso chap on the face of earth.
Avoid him unless he comes to our terms otherwise pata hain he will just keep bickering.
Moderator if i have been personal please do delete this thread but a fitting reply was very much the need of the hour.
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Slave - too bad you feel that way instead of attempting to engage. Noting the passages you have quoted above from my posts, it is apparent that you do understand the challenge posed. However you have chosen not to defend the contra to my assertion about required hypocricy and therefore the only possible conclusion is that you know you cannot.
That you won't admit it is ok. I understand since such admission will knock the basis of existence of religiouso and you certainly don't want to be the one doing that.
I do hope usr and pico take your advise seriously, for they haven't really had any arguements either and as you say, just lead to bickering with incessant inanity aimed at distraction.and I end up givingv them the respect of responding which simply leads to more inanity! What's there to say about these kids! So impulsive.
Numerous others have posted responses about animals praying, thinking etc, so it'd seem they didn't need a definition for prayer. They knew.
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*Slave - too bad you feel that way instead of attempting to engage. Noting the passages you have quoted above from my posts, it is apparent that you do understand the challenge posed. However you have chosen not to defend the contra to my assertion about required hypocricy and therefore the only possible conclusion is that you know you cannot. *
That you won't admit it is ok. I understand since such admission will knock the basis of existence of religiouso and you certainly don't want to be the one doing that.
I do hope usr and pico take your advise seriously, for they haven't really had any arguements either and as you say, just lead to bickering with incessant inanity aimed at distraction.and I end up givingv them the respect of responding which simply leads to more inanity! What's there to say about these kids! So impulsive.
Numerous others have posted responses about animals praying, thinking etc, so it'd seem they didn't need a definition for prayer. They knew.
Indeed i have answered this post of yours i probably have a feeling that you have forgotten. Again its left upto you to understand.
As far as i know usr and pico both are respected guppies and I respect them for there religious knowledge they dont engage in any argument (mud slinging) unless its necessary so what they did was they called a spade a spade, you get my drift.
If others answered regarding the animals pray then why the hell on earth you drifted the topic. I can consider two options
1) You had pre conceived ideas that you are not ready to accept any answer.
2) You just jumped in opened this thread to argue.
In both the options stated above you have gone to extremes. I completely agree you are the most intellectual guppy and i concede you are logical and your reasoning power is great.
Its equivalent to the analogy below.
If the door is half open by logic we know door is half closed. But infact you take a step further and state if the door is fully closed logically its also fully opened.
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The fully opened/closed analogy is in fact applicable to the "trust me don't ask" approach advocated by the religiouso. For example how may times have we heard "this what the Prophet did so that's what you should do" kind of admonishments, not taking circumstance or time into account.
If you feel you have answered any question that's an erroneous assumption.
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^Brother i can refute by saying that you havent looked into any answers.
Again another topic wrt Prophet aap iske liye naya thread khol sakte hain.
Regards
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wow! can't believe this has become such a big thread. I'll have to read thru all these posts but a skim tells me that in general people are saying that thinking is ok and necessary to think. Let's assume then that those religiousos that have been preaching 'stop thinking; have faith; if in doubt just trust the HQ' etc have no clue what they're talking about.
Then the issue is - once we allow thinking, that is, how do you start explaining things that don't make sense to a thinking mind. There are so many numerous contradictions and hypocrisy and uneven handedness built into a islamic society which a freely thinking and reasoning mind cannot accept as holy or godly.
for example - polygamy is ok but polyandry is not (even if the woman is well to do and the men need support). I am against both but it seems religious muslims want polygamy and not polyandry.
for example - the hypocrisy of halal killing. what difference does it make to the animal how it is killed?
for example - one sect of islam refusing the beliefs of other sects within islam
for example - asserting that nations laws are subordinate to religious law
I can go on - big and small.
bottom line - it is impossible to be a thinking muslim without being a hypocrite, going by what I read here
JAK SOA for the kind words in my stead.
Tariq sahab just so you don't go back thinking that some of us are ignorant to thinking even though you have consistently avoided answering what I have asked, we can still discuss your point of argument however I need to know what is it that you hold fast to, is it Quran or Hadith or both. Its important for me to know this because I would want to know your circle of reference when we discuss.