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^Thank you same to you to Tariq, how much ilove when people get angry when debating just shows how inferior they get coz they dont have anyting to argue.
I love it more you want to stir the hornets nest i am up for it, well you seem so helpless when you get angry.
Bade dinon ka bbaad koi to mila hain jo challenge karna chah rahein hain.
Well keep writing i wanna know how further you can go.
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^ that's the usual tactic of an empty vessel.
Coming back to the topic.
How do the religiousos reconcile between the thinking mind that looks for reason and equity with the obvious inequities and unquestioned (blind) faith that is demanded of them? The examples I have cited earlier (before slave started blabbering irrelevant pontification) in this thread.
Seems to me then that to be a religious muslim then demands a significant degree of hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty! Now, that is not why any code of ethics are intended for, so what are you guys missing?
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^ that's the usual tactic of an empty vessel.
Coming back to the topic.
How do the religiousos reconcile between the thinking mind that looks for reason and equity with the obvious inequities and unquestioned (blind) faith that is demanded of them? The examples I have cited earlier (before slave started blabbering irrelevant pontification) in this thread.
Arguments are presented, not invented. Those are lofty claims, and you've done squat-all to support them.
The notion of animals praying depends very much on your conception of prayer, as Seminole pointed out.
Now, what are you missing? I'll spare all lofty claims of dishonesty and what not.
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Just as I thought. The only defense these religiousos have is when asked specific questions , just turn to inane pontification.
It is becoming increasingly clear that none of these guys preaching the faith have any clue to the questions asked. Which could only mean that unless thinking is banned and reasoning suspended all their claims are false and hypocritical.
Q.E.D
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Just as I thought. The only defense these religiousos have is when asked specific questions , just turn to inane pontification.
Well, if you dismiss any and all questions back at you as "pontification" then don't expect to be taken seriously. Be as closed minded as you want...just don't be smug about it whilest you complain of others being the same.
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It is becoming increasingly clear that none of these guys preaching the faith have any clue to the questions asked. Which could only mean that unless thinking is banned and reasoning suspended all their claims are false and hypocritical.
Q.E.D
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We know exactly what we're being asked...and we deem it nonsense thusfar. Elaborate, or move on...
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^ may be you need to hear the same thing thrice to understand. You could just go back and read the question being asked, this being a written word.
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^ may be you need to hear the same thing thrice to understand. You could just go back and read the question being asked, this being a written word.
Your "question" is based on a premise that needs substantiation. You really do need to elaborate.
Otherwise, ignore this post, as I most certainly will ignore the thread.
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^ may be you need to hear the same thing thrice to understand. You could just go back and read the question being asked, this being a written word.
Dear Tariq,
Actually didnt wanna reply to you, because atleast my experience says so.
Because inevitably what happens we start bickering and there is no end to this argument.Obviously i dont mind losing an argument but trade off is i shud gain some knowledge.
Your gravely mistaken that we havent understood we have and ofcourse answered more then your requirement. The problem is (as i said my experience says so) you have some pre conceived ideas the notion that i am not agreeing with whatever these people have to say.
Because you feel you are right on your path, i shall quote with one eg of pre concieved idea.
You wanted to know whether animals pray or not (in 90% of the cases the thread opener already knows the answers but just wants to play dirty).
Later you being a thread opener drift the topic completely now this is where you are playing dirty.
If you would have come for the sake of knowledge (assuming earlier you knew nothing) the thread would have been done with the first post of HHL since you had other ideas we have 3 pages and still continuing.
I mentioned in one of the posts to elaborate your point of reasoning you failed to do so, now brother picocio has repeated the same stuff.
Well, its better i am out of this thread as it brings nothing other than bickering.
Regards.
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slave and picoico - i'm glad that atleast after all these days and posts you are getting out. since all you had to contribute was inanity it'd have been better if you hadn't wasted all our time right from the start but better late than never. don't let the door hit you on the way.
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islamically only humans can choose to be muslim or kaafir. Animals have to worship God.
I wish I were an animal but Alhamdulilah I'm a muslim and there's nothing else I rather be.:)
i don't think so
Jinnat can also be muslim or kaafir
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slave and picoico - i'm glad that atleast after all these days and posts you are getting out. since all you had to contribute was inanity it'd have been better if you hadn't wasted all our time right from the start but better late than never. don't let the door hit you on the way.
Meh, changed my mind.
Sticks and stones dude. Still waiting...or do you think personal attacks is a substitute for debate?
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^ that reversal of yours doesn't surprise me, since people without base do that all a lot. Instead of just making noise, go read the questions and try and think what they mean. Then if you have some substance to respond relative to them go ahead and I'll look fwd to that.
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Language is nothing but a communication tool. Animals do communicate with each other
Animals..think..and communicate with each other ..and also us..i think you can only tell if you happen to have animals..but don,t know if they pray.
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^ that reversal of yours doesn't surprise me, since people without base do that all a lot.
Nah, I'm just bored.
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Instead of just making noise, go read the questions and try and think what they mean. Then if you have some substance to respond relative to them go ahead and I'll look fwd to that.
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I've read the questions, and found them wanting. As I've said for the umpteenth time, the very basic premise of the questions need elaboration. The whole lot of them.
Still wiating...and all you're doing thusfar is ad-hominem....not impressive...
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^ refer #113. pico, I'll certainly try and read anything else you have to write here and will respond if I find any substance in that. Meantme just focus on the simpler question "do animals pray".
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^ refer #113. pico, I'll certainly try and read anything else you have to write here and will respond if I find any substance in that. Meantme just focus on the simpler question "do animals pray".
And refer to my response. Great. A cycle.
But progress. Now, define prayer.
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i don't think so Jinnat can also be muslim or kaafir
thanks for correction.
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pico - that's not the correct answer. try again if you want to
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pico - that's not the correct answer. try again if you want to
Well, if you already "know" the answer, why bother asking the question?
What I asked for was elaboration. You're not willing to do that. Why?