If you are saying this without reference to the verse on which I commented I can possibly agree with you however they may have their own ways of doing it which in most part are unknown to us or allegorical. The most knowledge we might have this is what comes with knowledge about the kingdom of Prophet Sulaiman AS or a very few select ahadith especially the ones which mention about the birds glorifying the praises of Allah SWT (I don't remember if that was a hadith of Quranic verse).
There are these two more verses on this issue:
(Have they not observed things that Allah has created: (how) their shadows incline to the right and to the left, making prostration unto Allah, and they are lowly) ﴿16:48
(and there is not a thing but glorifies His praise) ﴿17:44
The first ayah seems interesting but I can't understand it. What do you think about it?
slave - I took you seriously and went through all 3 pages of the thread you linked. I'm sorry to say that it doesn't address any of the questions raised here. It's a lot of gobbledigook that's probably music only to the ears of the religioso who are prepared to suspend their thinking faculty. For example you can refer to Hareem's frustration expressed in your own link about how you are just rambling on off topic and somehow think you have raised to relevancy. No dice.
In fact your posts simply prove the point that thinking and reasoning have to be suspended to be a muslim ...if that's what you're trying to prove you are succeeding
Dear Tariq,
I thought you are quite intellectual to have understood, to have understood my post because of a simple fact that you rated the muslims as hypocrites and this was in response to your post coz you are too way out of topic.
Well i dont have to prove anything in my posts the ones who have understood thats enough, coz neither do i have to satisfy each and every one nor do i have to guide each.
Overall, firstly thanks a lot for going through all the 3 pages, because it was my mistake i wanted uyou to read only the first post not the entire 3 pages its really appreciating.
I rather was looking your pov from muslim hypocrisy because you as a thread opener are not addressing the topic but rather you have some ulterior motives.Infact my article reasons that out for someone who rather disbelieves its left to him/her and i respect your views.
Well, i hope we are going to have lots of discussion further in other threads too. Last but not the least to become a muslim you dont have to slaughter, nor marry 4 wives to become a muslim the criteria is different so the question of muslim hypocrisy seems illogical.
Well my advice to you it seems your new this forums stuff and remember the moment you get hype and get to personal is when someone feels like they have lost the debate coz most of them are here for argument and cool down if you wanna win an argument coz personal mud slinging doesnt help.
Take care well lots to discuss in other threads your an interesting chap.
Thinking process is needed to progress further. How much progress you have ever noticed in animals?
And you cannot think without the base of a language.
For a novice, I can recomend him to try to think in some language that he does not know, say German, Russian etc. Try it for your yourself and let us see if you can take a single step!
No facts or research have ever established that animals can think. All experiments have been conducted to understand their psychology, behaviour etc only. You are confusing two facts.
And off course, there is a difference between a novice and a stubborn mind.
(Have they not observed things that Allah has created: (how) their shadows incline to the right and to the left, making prostration unto Allah, and they are lowly) ﴿16:48
(and there is not a thing but glorifies His praise) ﴿17:44
The first ayah seems interesting but I can't understand it. What do you think about it?
It again indicates that even our shadows are such that they prostrate during the rising and setting of the sun. Its an allegorical verse which carries many many parables hidden within it. Again the way I see it is that prostration or sujjud here has been used as a symbol of submission or subservient behavior. Doesn't matter how tall you stand or how tall anything stands, its shadow always falls to the ground throughout the day in prostration or in a manner that symbolizes submission. Even mountains have shadows yet they fall on the ground.
Yes, in their own way not necessarily the way humans do it.
Yes, Allah hu Alim. Here is the complete ayah 17:44
The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare His glory: there is not a thing but celebrates His praise; And yet ye understand not how they declare His glory! Verily He is Oft-Forbear, Most Forgiving!
In a hadith in Sahih Muslim it says that Sahaba(ra) used to listen to the Tasbih by food that Prophet Muhammad(SAW) used to eat. SubhanAllah.
slave - I took you seriously and went through all 3 pages of the thread you linked. I'm sorry to say that it doesn't address any of the questions raised here. It's a lot of gobbledigook that's probably music only to the ears of the religioso who are prepared to suspend their thinking faculty.** For example you can refer to Hareem's frustration expressed in your own link about how you are just rambling on off topic and somehow think you have raised to relevancy. No dice.**
In fact your posts simply prove the point that thinking and reasoning have to be suspended to be a muslim ...if that's what you're trying to prove you are succeeding
May be Hareem was wrong and confused and thats why she couldn't understand some points, but Alhamdulilah now I do.
I thought you are quite intellectual to have understood, to have understood my post because of a simple fact that you rated the muslims as hypocrites and this was in response to your post coz you are too way out of topic.
Well i dont have to prove anything in my posts the ones who have understood thats enough, coz neither do i have to satisfy each and every one nor do i have to guide each.
Overall, firstly thanks a lot for going through all the 3 pages, because it was my mistake i wanted uyou to read only the first post not the entire 3 pages its really appreciating.
I rather was looking your pov from muslim hypocrisy because you as a thread opener are not addressing the topic but rather you have some ulterior motives.Infact my article reasons that out for someone who rather disbelieves its left to him/her and i respect your views.
Well, i hope we are going to have lots of discussion further in other threads too. Last but not the least to become a muslim you dont have to slaughter, nor marry 4 wives to become a muslim the criteria is different so the question of muslim hypocrisy seems illogical.
Well my advice to you it seems your new this forums stuff and remember the moment you get hype and get to personal is when someone feels like they have lost the debate coz most of them are here for argument and cool down if you wanna win an argument coz personal mud slinging doesnt help.
Take care well lots to discuss in other threads your an interesting chap.
maaan! where did you learn to speak so much without saying anything? You jump into the discussion and say something irrelevant. I ask you some questions then you point me to a thread which has nothing to do with these questions. And then you start talking about me being out of topic!
just based on that you're lmost qualified to be a maulvi in double secret probation
