Anjaan - why is ability to think a prerequisite for praying? Doesn't most praying occur without thinking? 'faith' I believe they call it. They don't understand what they are reciting, many a times it is just the sounds they're reproducing, yet it is the only way the culture of praying can be spread. So thoughtless praying has prevailed. Only a small minority think and pray.
And then again the prayer experts (aka religious) tell us that when it comes to matters of God we have to stop thinking and just accept. Apparently we won't understand!.
So now it seems to me that ability to think is actually a drawback rather than a prerequisite.
Thanks for guiding this thread towards what I really wanted to get at and surface (although I do se how easy it is for some to think about the vegetarian angle)
No, praying cannot take place without thinking process. When someone says that he is meditating on God without words.....he is already giving direction to his mind what to do and this 'direction process' itself is based on thinking.
No, praying cannot take place without thinking process. When someone says that he is meditating on God without words.....he is already giving direction to his mind what to do and this 'direction process' itself is based on thinking.
Or, animals have no need to think as their instincts reveal the truth manifest.
Perhaps animals are in a perfect state of submission. Go animals...teach us humans a thing or two...
Agreed with you...animals submit to God by following their instincts.
Animals have instincts, memory, methods to comvey information to each other but they cannot think because they lack the base for thinking that is language.
Animals cannot think and fantasize....... hence, they have no religion, no God etc.
Perhaps nature is their religion and their God...
No, praying cannot take place without thinking process. When someone says that he is meditating on God without words.....he is already giving direction to his mind what to do and this 'direction process' itself is based on thinking.
I think true meditation or prayers are when you even transcend the thinking process and go towards your completly natural state...perhaps your instincts.
Absolutely wrong.....language is not a unique tool for communication. The fact is that the body structure of animals is more matured in communication than that of humans, because humans have lost most of their natural instincts behind the thinking process.
As usual get me your proof if your truthful, not your own notes.
/\/\whatever I have written is itself a proof. If animals could think they could come out of their state where they have been for times unknown.....they might have studied maths, science....progress and create mansions for themselves as humans do.
For you it is difficult to swallow the fact that any religion is an outcome of fantasy based on thinking process.
Is it not possible that an animal’s thinking process may be limited?
I have seen documentaries of ants making mansions, with air-filtering and ventilation systems. Are you telling me that this is a result of something other than the process of thinking? This system of air-ventilating also requires science (atleast for humans it did).
/\/\whatever I have written is itself a proof. If animals could think they could come out of their state where they have been for times unknown.....they might have studied maths, science....progress and create mansions for themselves as humans do.
For you it is difficult to swallow the fact that any religion is an outcome of fantasy based on thinking process.
Anjann if what you have written is a proof i can guide you to some websites where your myth hopefully will be shattered and also refer to LKC's stuff though i havent gone through it but i hope he is referring to the communication of animals.
Well let me go further to LKC explain me the concept of honey bees mansions, explain me the concept of salmon fish.
picaico & slave - you guys are spoiling for a fight or what? I'm not interested.
Are you baiting for one?
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I have pointed out that if one follows what most muslim religious people say then thoughtless prayer and reasonless 'trust me' are the characteristics of the follower. That would make them no different from animals.
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They tell you not to worry about the WORTH of prayer, as it has been prescribed by God. It's a matter of trust, not being thoughtless.
/\/\whatever I have written is itself a proof. If animals could think they could come out of their state where they have been for times unknown.....they might have studied maths, science....progress and create mansions for themselves as humans do.
They do form colonies...at least insects do. They also exhibit complex social behavior.
This was my question...
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"For eg...what does a cat think about God?...i mean, will a cat think that God looks like itself (a cat) or human being?.. "
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answer in terms of hindu, muslim and non religious perspective. By non religious perspective in the sense, by comman sense of an individual who is not an atheist and does not follow any religion.
Let me try.
do animals pray?
Muslim Perspective: Yes, they do. Infact every creature do.(humans have a choice to pray or not to pray)
Hindu Perspective: No, but mostlikely hindus pray to animals.
Non religious Perspective(may vary): There is no concept of Pray or Prayer exist in non-religion(s).
Muslims perspective:->Animals pray to god to save them from being slaugthered.
Hindu Perspective-> Animals dont pray coz they know they wont be slaugthered. So no need for praying...
"For eg...what does a cat think about God?...i mean, will a cat think that God looks like itself (a cat) or human being?.. "
answer in terms of hindu, muslim and non religious perspective. By non religious perspective in the sense, by comman sense of an individual who is not an atheist and does not follow any religion.
"For eg...what does a cat think about God?...i mean, will a cat think that God looks like itself (a cat) or human being?.. "
Muslim Perspective: No, God is nothing like His creation. Hindu Perspective: God can be in any form.(A cat or a dog or a human) by comman sense of an individual who is not an atheist and does not follow any religion: I think you are talking about yourself, then you can understand and explain it to yourself and others better than anyone else.
Muslims perspective:->Animals pray to god to save them from being slaugthered.
But they are still being slaughtered, right?
PS: Pray means to glorify, to praise. In Arabic we call it "Hamd", the pray you're talking about is called "Dua" and thats different.
Hindu Perspective-> Animals dont pray coz they know they wont be slaugthered. So no need for praying...
So hindus think that animals don't get slaughtered at all? This is called self deception.:)