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... as PPP just couldn't give away free jobs in urban sindh.
Free jobs. :)
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MQM not backing South Sindh creation yet
ISLAMABAD - Since the voice to launch a movement for creating a new province in Southern Sindh comprising urban areas of the province came from the group comprising former Sindh Assembly members and provincial ministers as well as former office-bearers of MQM, yet the Mutahidda has not formally supported the demand to divide Sindh province.
“Indeed, it was an individual act, MQM has never been in favour of division of Sindh. The party is not backing this idea; we are not in favour of it,” MQM spokesman Wasay Jalil told TheNation here on Monday.
Sources said that the party might examine all the aspects for launching this demand by the members of the party soon.
It would not be out of place to mention here that the demand for new province came on surface when recently the assemblies both national and provincial recently had adopted resolutions in favour of Southern Punjab and Bhawalpur.
Surprising to many, the PPP with the support of allied parties (if not ANP) brought a resolution for the support of Southern Punjab in the National Assembly that created ripples in the political situation of the country, which already is witnessing a heated debate soon after the conviction of Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani. The idea of the new provinces is not only confined to the National Assembly as such resolution had also echoed in the Punjab assembly.
It is pertinent to mention here that MQM members from New York in its demand also mentioned that if Seraiki and other provinces could be established, there was a bigger need to create one in southern Sindh.
They reportedly argued that when the creation of new provinces is being discussed throughout the country, and the provincial assemblies are passing resolutions and legislating in this regard, the demand for another province in Sindh couldn’t be ignored.
The issue of provinces was first discussed in the 39th session as Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on the floor of the house had assured in the last NA session to discuss the matter of new provinces in the next session. On May 3, the National Assembly passed two resolutions - one reposing confidence in Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani who the opposition thinks is no longer prime minister after being convicted by the Supreme Court; and the second supporting a call for the creation of a new Seraiki province in the south of Punjab.
Reportedly, the MQM celebrated the resolution on the Seraiki province in Karachi because in principle more provinces would brighten its chances of spreading out from the city and becoming a national party. As for the ANP, it had to sew up a more complex bargain on the basis of an unspoken pledge to not support the Hazara province movement.
When all is said and done, however, no province can be formed unless the Constitution is amended and the provincial assemblies have also voted with a two-thirds majority. It is to embarrass the PPP’s allies, perhaps, that the PML-N too submitted a resolution for the formation of four new provinces: Bahawalpur, Fata, South Punjab and Hazara.
In the long run, even this counter-manoeuvre may be good for Pakistan’s governance because of the devolution of federal powers it implies. Finally, was it a mere political manoeuvre? Reports says the answer to that would have to be an unequivocal ‘yes’, but many significant developments in the history of states take place as political ploys.
The creation of a Seraiki province has been a high priority for the people of the southern region of Punjab and the PPP has exploited that to water down the PML-N’s dominance.
This began in March 2011 when Mr Gilani stated that “the formation of a Seraiki province would be part of the PPP manifesto for the next elections”.
Re: Division of Sind : New provinces
One bitter question.
Altaf Hussain said many times that Sindh is like his mother and he doesn’t like division of his mother. Have you ever seen wall chalking against Altaf Hussain? Then how Altaf Hussain and his party see slogans of Division of Sindh in their dominant areas? Is this not a hypocrisy?
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how sad, they are demanding division of the land which gave them everything!
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Same can be said about Sindhi separatists like JSQM and PAC doing wall chalking against the division of Pakistan.
Or Taliban killing Pakistan army and yet Imran and his supporters still calling them their ‘bhai’.
Why abuse Altaf alone?
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JSQM Or PAC's wrong does not justify MQM's hypocrisy. Its a open fact that there can't be tolerated a single slogan against AH, but strangely there constituencies are full of slogans against AH's claimed mother (Sindh).
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JSQM Or PAC's wrong does not justify MQM's hypocrisy.
I didn't just mention PAC and JSQM but also PTI and PPP. You may also include PMLN in it too.
So why abuse MQM alone?
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Khoji, PTI is irrelevant for the current discussion. It does not have any presence in Sindh so far. I do agree that other parties have direct or indirect connection with the matter under discussion, but its MQM who is the biggest player in area wherefrom this demand is being made and MQM is not giving clear instance on the matter. Its former members are supporter of the movement, which caused havoc in Karachi today. MQM has to be clear about the matter instead of keeping silence in respect of a Movement (they don't support) in their dominant areas.
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Personally, I am against the creation of provinces on ethnicity, but in this case, I support the division of Sindh as this will hopefully weaken sindhi (PPP) and prevent them from butchering our country further.
And NO, I'm not racist, PPP itself has drilled this impression in our brains............by always playing the sindh card and by looting our country shamelessly.
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Khoji, PTI is irrelevant for the current discussion. It does not have any presence in Sindh so far. I do agree that other parties have direct or indirect connection with the matter under discussion, but its MQM who is the biggest player in area wherefrom this demand is being made and MQM is not giving clear instance on the matter. Its former members are supporter of the movement, which caused havoc in Karachi today. MQM has to be clear about the matter instead of keeping silence in respect of a Movement (they don't support) in their dominant areas.
I did not say that PTI is relevant to this discussion. It was presented as an example. You call Altaf a hypocrite for having wall chalking about division of Sindh but do not call Imran the same when he declares people actually fighting the state of Pakistan his brothers. You also have no condemnation for PPP for tolerating anti-Pakistan people like JSQM and PAC who do wall chalking against Pakistan itself.
Is Sindh more important to you than Pakistan?
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Personally, I am against the creation of provinces on ethnicity, but in this case, I support the division of Sindh as this will hopefully weaken sindhi daakus (PPP) and prevent them from butchering our country further.
Karachi is going downhill everyday due to the wadera-shahi imposed on the city from Larkana. If PPP continues its grip on the city then very soon Karachi will turn into a big village, and people will have to migrate to other parts of the country to find jobs.
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I think, MQM will wait till the creation of Seraiki province and then launch official movement of separate southern province. But I dont see any new province in Sindh. They will demand but PPP/PMLN oppose them. 
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I did not say that PTI is relevant to this discussion. It was presented as an example. You call Altaf a hypocrite for having wall chalking about division of Sindh but do not call Imran the same when he declares people actually fighting the state of Pakistan his brothers. You also have no condemnation for PPP for tolerating anti-Pakistan people like JSQM and PAC who do wall chalking against Pakistan itself. Is Sindh more important to you than Pakistan?
Do you think JSQM / Awami tehreek still demand separation from Pakistan? Its not the case for the time being. It was a case for 10-15 years ago. In any case, JSQM / PAC are not the law-makers at the time being. They are neither rulers nor allies to rulers.
PPP is equally responsible for indulging in infamous reconciliation for keeping MQM its ally. For IK would say that he also became victim of reconciliation / compromises for his political mileage.
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I don’t think that is the case. Jeay Sindh is still planning for an independent Sindh. And yet for you PPP is not hypocrite for tolerating them in interior Sindh but MQM is hypocrite.
March 24, 2012Pakistan Day: JSQM leader demands freedom for Sindh and Balochistan – The Express Tribune
“It is therefore not logical and moral to remain with Pakistan. We now say goodbye to this country,” Qureshi said
PPP is equally responsible for indulging in infamous reconciliation for keeping MQM its ally. For IK would say that he also became victim of reconciliation / compromises for his political mileage.
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You missed or avoided the part that they are not the law makers. Che piddi che piddi ka shorba.
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JSQM Or PAC's wrong does not justify MQM's hypocrisy. Its a open fact that there can't be tolerated a single slogan against AH, but strangely there constituencies are full of slogans against AH's claimed mother (Sindh).
The rallies in favour of division of Sindh are taking place in MQM strong holds, what would be the result if a rally in favour of united Sindh is held there?
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I know they are waiting for the right time, at the moment they are saying that they dont have any role in this later they will say that there is a popular demand for that.
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The rallies in favour of division of Sindh are taking place in MQM strong holds, what would be the result if a rally in favour of united Sindh is held there?
Why MQM do not hold such rallies in Karachi when they have been claiming to be opponent of United Sindh in Bhit Shah and Sukkur? These all things prove that MQM is just behind gaining political mileage. Muhajir Qomi Movement has no doubt never been able to transform from Muhajir Qomi Movement. They were and are playing ethnic card like others.
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So has anyone actually proposed a good reason for splitting in this thread? I can't say i've seen anything good yet.
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I know they are waiting for the right time, at the moment they are saying that they dont have any role in this later they will say that there is a popular demand for that.
When majority of Sindh do not want separation, by passing a resolution in Sindh assembly, what is the moral or legal justification? Sirf badmaashi aor ghunda gardi se Karachi ko alag nahin kya ja sakta. yeh aor baat hay ke Karachi will become Beirut of 21st century had these stupid retard push their ugly agenda of hatred and ethnic cleansing.