ﻪﻠﻟﺍ ﻦﺑﺍ ﺢﻴﺴﻤﻟﺍ ﻯﺮﺼﻨﻟﺍ ﺖﻟﺎﻗ ﻭ
Arabic word used in the ayah >> Ibn - Allah
Ibn = son
context of Quran >>> child refers to son.
Thankewsssssssssss.
hey cant you still figure out he’s here just to teas us. **WHY DONT YOU IGNORE THIS THREAD JUST AS APPLE DID LAJWAB’S THREAD **
If he’s so much ambitious and educated about his relegious beliefs why dont he show up there and debate on that issue as well.
PLEASE IGNORE HIM, IF HE SERIOUSLY WANTS ANSWERS THAT ALREADY HAVE BEEN GIVEN AND ARE MORE THAN SUFFICIANT TO CONVINCE A MAN WITH A COMMON SENSE. OR OTHERWISE HE CAN DEBATE WITH ANY MUSLIM SCHOLAR I ALREADY HAVE POSTED THE LINK. APPLE DID YOU EVER SEND THEM AN EMAIL?
that will tell us how serious you are in your pursuit of knowing the truth about your relegion.
thanks, but no thanks!
My sweet phal of condemnation from janaat, lets take an analogy and work with it.
No need to thank me, I am jus putting up with doctors orders (3 pieces and what not)
If, for example, I thought you were not the sharpest pin in the bucket (assume this is a bucket of not-so-sharp pins) and then I proceeded to express this. In many a form.
And someone heard me.
Agreed and repeated, adding a little extra info reguarding the reasons and so forth, (he may know of some hit on the head, of which I was not aware)
Again for conviniance sake assume it is a he.
He and I, are both correct, in fact he in this case would be in a more knowledgeable position and I would have to agree that although I was right, he, being in a position of knowledge, (ie the drop on the conk) is more correct.
A relative yet important degree.
In which case it is not plagurism, in fact it is an improved revision.
Apple You didnt answer the question I asked... Im really interested in you answer.
Thanks
LISTEN THIS IS SO PATHETIC IF JESUS IS GOD? NEOZBLILLAH!!!!
HOW COME HE WAS CRUCIFIED ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANS!!!! GOD CAN NEVER DIE!!!!
SECONDLY ISA IBNE MARYAM PBUH IS THE SLAVE OF ALLAH AS CLEARLY IN QURAN.....
TIME NOT FAR YOU FIND OUT
Greetings irfan raza khan,
Thanks for the reply...
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HOW COME HE WAS CRUCIFIED ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANS!!!! GOD CAN NEVER DIE!!!!
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Your beloved Koran clearly states that Jesus was crucified as well.
Furthermore, your beloved Koran states that mankind is "created" anew in the Resurrection of Jesus.
Thanks...
Apple
do you believe the Quran to be the word of God, and Muhammad to be his messenger?
Greetings ravage,
Thanks for your reply...
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do you believe the Quran to be the word of God, and Muhammad to be his messenger?
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No....and No...
Thanks..
Greetings Apple,
You're basing your arguments then on a book who's words means nothing to you.
rendering your arguments meaningless.
and i am mother terresa, pg 007.
Greetings ravage,
Thanks for your comments...
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You're basing your arguments then on a book who's words means nothing to you.
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Show me where I ever said that it means nothing to me...
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rendering your arguments meaningless.
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The Koran is merely a corrupted Holy Bible...
Thanks..
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*Originally posted by Apple: *
Greetings ravage,
Thanks for your comments...
Show me where I ever said that it means nothing to me...
The Koran is merely a corrupted Holy Bible...
Thanks..
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Is this your personal theory or that of a group of christians? If its the latter, please give a link.
According to popular christian belief, the Prophet was an imposter who wished to gain power by coming up with a new, false religion.
Given that, why would he wish to go out of his way to incorporate Christian beliefs into his new book? He had artistic license, considerable poetic talent, and he also had the time to compose a book that was phenomenally different from the Bible as far as content and penmanship is concerned.
Your argument just doesnt hold water.
Greetings ravage,
Thanks for your kind comments…
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Is this your personal theory or that of a group of christians? If its the latter, please give a link.
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It is the conclusion drawn after years of comparison study…
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According to popular christian belief, the Prophet was an imposter who wished to gain power by coming up with a new, false religion.
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What matters is what is contained within the text…
Who put it together is a secondary issue.
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Given that, why would he wish to go out of his way to incorporate Christian beliefs into his new book?
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Who said that Mo put together the Koran?
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He had artistic license, considerable poetic talent, and he also had the time to compose a book that was phenomenally different from the Bible as far as content and penmanship is concerned.
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The Koran is not original.
It is a corrupted copy of the Holy Bible.
Period.
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Your argument just doesnt hold water.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Thanks…
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*Originally posted by Apple: *
Greetings ravage,
Thanks for your kind comments…
It is the conclusion drawn after years of comparison study…
What matters is what is contained within the text…
Who put it together is a secondary issue.
Who said that Mo put together the Koran?
The Koran is not original.
It is a corrupted copy of the Holy Bible.
Period.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Thanks…
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Apple
No offence, but your opinions are too marginal and kooky to deserve serious attention, nor have I seen any other scientist or historian, christian or otherwise arrive at the same conclusions as you.
Unless you can provide some sort of credibile backing for your absurd assertions, please consider yourself confined to the loony bin.
regards,
3-33. Allah did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Ìmrán above all people,-
3-34. Offspring, one of the other: And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
3-35. Behold! a wife of Ìmrán said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate into Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things."
3-36. When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and Allah knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from Satan, the Rejected."
3-37. Right graciously did her Lord accept her: He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (her) chamber to see her, He found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?" She said: "From Allah. for Allah provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure."
3-38. There did Zakariya pray to his Lord, saying: "O my Lord! Grant unto me from Thee a progeny that is pure: for Thou art He that heareth prayer!"
3-39. While he was standing in prayer in the chamber, the angels called unto him: "Allah doth give thee glad tidings of Yahyá, (John)witnessing the truth of a Word from Allah, and (be besides) noble, chaste, and a prophet,- of the (goodly) company of the righteous."
3-40. He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" "Thus," was the answer, "Doth Allah accomplish what He willeth."
3-41. He said: "O my Lord! Give me a Sign!" "Thy Sign," was the answer, "Shall be that thou shalt speak to no man for three days but with signals. Then celebrate the praises of thy Lord again and again, and glorify Him in the evening and in the morning."
3-42. Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
3-43. "O Mary! worship thy Lord devoutly: Prostrate thyself, and bow down (in prayer) with those who bow down."
3-44. This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which We reveal unto thee (O Messenger.) by inspiration: Thou wast not with them when they cast lots with pens (or arrows), as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mary: Nor wast thou with them when they disputed (the point).
3-45. Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah."
3-46. "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."
3-47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so; Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!"
4-171. O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Three (Trinity)" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
5-116 And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
This is the truth if you have a mind to comprehend it
May Allah swt open your eyes so that you may see what you read
May Allah swt open your ears so that you hear what you read
May Allah swt open your mind so that you may understand what you read
May Allah swt open your heart so that you may be guided
Apple
How many of the books in the Bible are named after Jesus or Mary or actually attribute a chapter to Jesus or Mary? Take your time.
Secondly, if we were to use your logic and the Bible as a reference, then Adam, Eve and David also become God's selected children and Jesus's older brothers and sisters. The first two were also born without biological parents or at least one and the latter was specifically mentioned as being the Son of the Lord and the Lord will be his Father.
Once you've checked the references, then get back to us. I'm rushing right now, cuz one I don't have time and two I'm of out. However, I will be more than happy to take you to school and back whenever you require.
Greetings sholay,
Thanks for your comments…
"How many of the books in the Bible are named after Jesus or Mary or actually attribute a chapter to Jesus or Mary? Take your time."
First of all, the entire Holy Bible is about Jesus (God)
Secondly, the Koran (albeit corrupted) is an external confirmation to the authority of the Holy Bible.
The Koranic Sura namesakes are derived from the Holy Bible, up to and including an entire Sura named in the sake of Jesus, clearly proclaiming His Crucifixion, Resurrection and the rebirth of mankind through Him…
Lastly, what exactly is your fascination with Mary?
"Secondly, if we were to use your logic and the Bible as a reference, then Adam, Eve and David also become God's selected children and Jesus's older brothers and sisters. The first two were also born without biological parents or at least one and the latter was specifically mentioned as being the Son of the Lord and the Lord will be his Father."
Please elaborate on how this negates the fact that the Koran proclaims the divinity of Jesus….
"Once you've checked the references, then get back to us. I'm rushing right now, cuz one I don't have time and two I'm of out. However, I will be more than happy to take you to school and back whenever you require."
Consider class in session…
Thanks…
The Bible is not solely about Jesus, because it is a combination of the Old Testament (Torah) and the New Testament (Injeel). It was only the Injeel that was revealed to Jesus. From a Christian and Jewish point of view, the Old Testament relates more to the pre Jesus era i.e. Torah
The current Bible is a cross combination of The Word of God, Third Party Hearsay and Fairy Tales all bundled together with numerous errors including errors talking about the same incident or subject. One says one hundred and the other says one thousand and both are meant to be right?
Yes, the Qur'aan confirms the Bible (Injeel), but not the one you currrently hold because it is not in it's original format. Like I said before, How many Verses are named after Jesus or Mary? Not One. And the Qur'aan, that you feel is a copy actually dedicates a whole chapter to the family of Imran. Ponder mate, just ponder.
Just for the record, there are bound to be similarities in the Qur'aan about previous Scriptures like the Torah, Zaboor and Injeel, because they all derive from the same family. They all confirm each other. Not Copy!
3:3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of JESUS) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
The Qur'aan quite clearly clears Jesus of sonship and confirms his prophethood, similar to Adam, Abraham, Moses etc etc which even you know deep down in your heart. Jesus is a prophet, just like the ones that came before him. So the Qur'aan does not confirm Jesus as Son, but on the contrary, a Prophet. It seems like you are not well versed in Arabic or English. The Ayat that you quoted in your opening thread does not mention Jesus at all. It only speak about Allah and reads as follows in English:
Surah 57. Iron
Whatever is in the heavens and on earth,- let it declare the Praises and Glory of Allah. for He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: It is He Who gives Life and Death; and He has Power over all things.
He is the First and the Last, the Evident and the Immanent: and He has full knowledge of all things.
He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and is moreover firmly established on the Throne (of Authority). He knows what enters within the earth and what comes forth out of it, what comes down from heaven and what mounts up to it. And He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
To Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: and all affairs are referred back to Allah.
He merges Night into Day, and He merges Day into Night; and He has full knowledge of the secrets of (all) hearts.
Believe in Allah and His apostle, and spend (in charity) out of the (substance) whereof He has made you heirs. For, those of you who believe and spend (in charity),- for them is a great Reward.
What cause have ye why ye should not believe in Allah.- and the Messenger invites you to believe in your Lord, and has indeed taken your Covenant, if ye are men of Faith.
He is the One Who sends to His Servant Manifest Signs, that He may lead you from the depths of Darkness into the Light and verily Allah is to you most kind and Merciful................
So in future, please also digest an ayat with a synopsis of context, rather than a personal unfounded flawed opinion.
Furthermore:
3:55 Behold! Allah said: "O JESUS! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
3:59 The similitude of JESUS before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.
4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ JESUS the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
5:116 And behold! Allah will say: "O JESUS the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
61:6 And remember, JESUS, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
Like I have ststed to many a doubter, there is a challenge in the Qur'aan. It asks the whole of mankind and the spirit world to get together and make one verse like that of the Qur'aan. The shortest verse in the Qur'aan is only four short lines. Because you have allegedly studied comparative religion for a number of years, it might be a wise move to actually fulfill that challenge and then come back to the drawing board.
17:88 Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to PRODUCE the like of this Qur'an, they could not PRODUCE the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.
2:23 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then PRODUCE a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.
10:37 This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
In the meantime, Good Luck with the challenge.
Greetings sholay,
Thanks for your comments...
"Like I have ststed to many a doubter, there is a challenge in the Qur'aan. It asks the whole of mankind and the spirit world to get together and make one verse like that of the Qur'aan. The shortest verse in the Qur'aan is only four short lines. Because you have allegedly studied comparative religion for a number of years, it might be a wise move to actually fulfill that challenge and then come back to the drawing board.
17:88 Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to PRODUCE the like of this Qur'an, they could not PRODUCE the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.
2:23 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then PRODUCE a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.
10:37 This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.
In the meantime, Good Luck with the challenge"
Let’s look at all of these Koranic “challenges”:
(53:33-34)
Let’s look at these verses in context:
52:23 They give each other in it a cup/wine, (there is) no nonsense/senseless talk in it, and nor sinning/committing crimes.
52:24 And servants/boys for them, circle/walk around on them, as if they are protected/covered pearls.
52:25 And some of them approached/came on (to) some (each other), they ask/question each other.
52:26 They said: "We were before in our people/family afraid/compassionate.”
52:27 "So Allah blessed on us and He protected/preserved us (from) the severe hot's/burning wind's torture."
52:28 "We were from before, we call Him, that He truly is, He is the righteous/charitable, the merciful/most merciful."
52:29 So remind, so you are not with your Lord's blessing with a fortune teller/highly ranked priest or rabbi ,and nor mad/insane.
52:30 Or they say: "A poet, we wait/remain with him the death's doubt/suspicion".
52:31 Say: "Wait/remain (watch) so that I am with you from the waiting/ remaining (watching)."
52:32 Or their minds/dreams order/command them with that, or they are a tyrannizing/arrogant nation?
52:33 Or they say: "He made it up." But/rather, they do not believe.
52:34 So they come with an information/speech equal/alike to it, if they were truthful.
Summary of 52:33-34 in context:
1) They give each other in it a cup/wine, (there is) no nonsense/senseless talk in it, and nor sinning/committing crimes.
2) AND, servants/boys for them, circle/walk around on them, as if they are protected/covered pearls.
3) AND, some of them approached/came on (to) some (each other), they ask/question each other.
4) They said: "We were before in our people/family afraid/compassionate.”
5) SO, Allah blessed on us and He protected/preserved us (from) the severe hot's/burning wind's torture."
6) "We were from before, we call Him, that He truly is, He is the righteous/charitable, the merciful/most merciful."
7) SO, remind
8 ) SO, you are not with your Lord's blessing with a fortune teller/highly ranked priest or rabbi
9) AND, nor mad/insane.
10) OR, they say: "A poet, we wait/remain with him the death's doubt/suspicion".
11) Say: "Wait/remain (watch)
12) SO, that I am with you from the waiting/ remaining (watching)."
13) OR, their minds/dreams order/command them with that,
14) OR, they are a tyrannizing/arrogant nation?
15) OR, they say: "He made it up." But/rather, they do not believe.
16) SO, they come with an information/speech equal/alike to it, if they were truthful.
**The vantage point of this discussion is from the Koranic Paradise. The Koranic paradise that has is roots in the Biblical Heaven as described within the pages of the Book of Revelation.
The Koran, in typical fashion, is simply regurgitating Biblical material. The phrase “they come with an information/speech equal/alike to it” is the quintessential element that embodies the entire Koran.
It is heart and soul of what the Koran attempts to do. The Koran attempts to mimic the Holy Bible. It attempts to be the “equivalent” of the Holy Bible. It attempts to be like the Holy Bible.
Fact is, the Koran fails in its attempt to copy the Holy Bible, as detailed in the examples below.**
(17:85-88 )
17:85 And they ask/question you about the Soul/Spirit, say: "The Soul/Spirit (is) from my Lord's matter/affair, and you were not given from the knowledge except little.”
17:86 And if We willed wanted We will take away/eliminate with what We inspired/transmitted to you, then you do not find for you with it on (against) Us a guardian/protector.
17:87 Except mercy from your Lord, that His grace/favor/blessing was great on you.
17:88 Say: "If the human/mankind and the Jinns gathered/unified on that they come with similar/equal/alike (to) this the Koran, they do not come with similar/equal/alike to it, and even if some of them were to some, (were to each other) supporting/helping."
17:89 And We had laid out/detailed linguistically to the people in this the Koran from every example/proverb, so most of the people refused/hated except (insisting) disbelief.
17:90 And they said: "We will never/not believe to you until you cause a water spring/well to flow/burst from the land.”
17:91 "Or a treed garden of palm trees and grapes/fruits of the vine be for you, so you cause the rivers/waterways to flow/burst in between and round it flowing/bursting."
17:92 "Or you drop the sky pieces on us as you claimed/alleged, or you come with Allah and the angels facing/from front."
17:93 "Or (a) house/home from ornament/gold be for you, or you ascend/climb in the sky, and We will never/not believe to your ascent/climb until you descend on us a book we read it." Say: "My Lord's praise/glory, have I been except a human, a messenger?"
17:94 And what prevented/forbid the people that they believe when the guidance came to them, except that they said: "Did Allah send a human, messenger?"
17:95 Say: "If there were in the earth/Planet Ea rth angels walking assured/secured, We would have descended on them from the sky/space an angel (as) a messenger."
17:96 Say: "Enough/sufficient with Allah, (as) a witness/testifier between me and between you, that He truly was/is with His worshippers/slaves expert/experienced, seeing/knowing."
17:97 And whom Allah guides so he is the guided, and whom He misguides, so you will never/not find for them guardians/protectors from other than Him, and We gather them (on) the Resurrection Day on their faces/fronts, blind, and mute, and deaf, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, whenever (it) became humble/tranquil (subsided), We increased them blazing/inflaming.
17:98 That (is) their reward because they disbelieved with Our verses/evidences and they said: "Is (it that) if we were bones and debris/fragments, are we being resurrected/revived (as a) new creation?"
Summary of 17:85-88 in context:
1) AND, they ask/question you about the Soul/Spirit, say: "The Soul/Spirit (is) from my Lord's matter/affair,
2) AND, you were not given from the knowledge except little.”
3) AND, if We willed wanted We will take away/eliminate with what We inspired/transmitted to you,
4) THEN, you do not find for you with it on (against) Us a guardian/protector.
5) Except mercy from your Lord, that His grace/favor/blessing was great on you.
6) Say: "If the human/mankind
7) AND, the Jinns gathered/unified on that they come with similar/equal/alike (to) this the Koran, they do not come with similar/equal/alike to it,
8 ) AND, even if some of them were to some, (were to each other) supporting/helping."
9) AND, We had laid out/detailed linguistically to the people in this the Koran from every example/proverb,
10) SO, most of the people refused/hated except (insisting) disbelief.
11) AND, they said: "We will never/not believe to you until you cause a water spring/well to flow/burst from the land.”
12) OR, a treed garden of palm trees and grapes/fruits of the vine be for you,
13) SO, you cause the rivers/waterways to flow/burst in between and round it flowing/bursting."
14) OR, you drop the sky pieces on us as you claimed/alleged,
15) OR, you come with Allah and the angels facing/from front."
16) OR, (a) house/home from ornament/gold be for you,
17) OR, you ascend/climb in the sky,
18 ) AND, We will never/not believe to your ascent/climb until you descend on us a book we read it." Say: "My Lord's praise/glory, have I been except a human, a messenger?"
19) Say: "Enough/sufficient with Allah, (as) a witness/testifier between me
20) AND, between you, that He truly was/is with His worshippers/slaves expert/experienced, seeing/knowing."
21) AND, whom Allah guides so he is the guided,
22) AND, whom He misguides,
23) SO, you will never/not find for them guardians/protectors from other than Him,
24) AND, We gather them (on) the Resurrection Day on their faces/fronts, blind,
25) AND, mute,
26) AND, deaf, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, whenever (it) became humble/tranquil (subsided), We increased them blazing/inflaming.
27) That (is) their reward because they disbelieved with Our verses/evidences and they said: "Is (it that) if we were bones and debris/fragments, are we being resurrected/revived (as a) new creation?"
**See the pattern beginning?
It is abundantly clear that these passages are integrated into Biblical Eschatological scripture.
a) Fire
b) Pieces of the sky falling
c) Allah & his angels coming
d) The city of Gold (the New Jerusalem)
e) The Resurrection
This is so classic:
"If the human/mankind and the Jinns gathered/unified on that they come with similar/equal/alike (to) this the Koran, they do not come with similar/equal/alike to it, and even if some of them were to some, (were to each other) supporting/helping."
Mankind producing something equivalent to the Holy Bible?
Well, the authors of the Koran attempted to do just that. They attempted to mimic the Holy Bible – and failed.
The Koran, rather than clarifying or correcting, just simply regurgitates Bible basics without any regard whatsoever for the details.
The Holy Bible is required to correct & clarify the Koran in ALL instances.**
(11:13)
11:11 Except those who were patient, and made/did the correct/righteous deeds, those for them (is) a forgiveness and (a) big/great wage/reward.
11:12 So maybe/perhaps you are leaving some/part (of) what is inspired/transmitted to you, and narrowing/tightening with it your chest (innermost), that they say: "If only a treasure was descended on him, or (an) angel came with him." But you are (a) warner/giver of notice, and Allah (is) on every thing (a) guardian/protector.
11:13 Or they say: "He fabricated/cut and split it." Say: "So come or bring with ten chapters of the Koran similar/equal/alike to it fabricated, and call whom you were able from other than Allah if you were truthful."
11:14 So if they do not answer/reply to you, so know that was/is descended with Allah's knowledge, that (there is) no Allah except Him, so are you submitters/surrenderers/Moslems?"
11:15 Who was/is wanting the life the present/worldly life and its decoration/beauty/ornament, We fulfill/complete to them their deeds in it, and they in it are not being reduced/cheated/caused injustice to.
11:16 Those are those not (nothing is) for them in the end (other life) except the fire, and what they made/did (was) wasted/invalidated in it, and is being wasted/annulled/canceled what they were making/doing.
Summary of 11:13 in context:
1) Except those who were patient,
2) AND, made/did the correct/righteous deeds, those for them (is) a forgiveness
3) AND, (a) big/great wage/reward.
4) SO, maybe/perhaps you are leaving some/part (of) what is inspired/transmitted to you,
5) AND, narrowing/tightening with it your chest (innermost), that they say: "If only a treasure was descended on him
6) OR, (an) angel came with him." But you are (a) warner/giver of notice,
7) AND, Allah (is) on every thing (a) guardian/protector.
8 ) OR, they say: "He fabricated/cut and split it." Say: "So come or bring with ten chapters of the Koran similar/equal/alike to it fabricated,
9) AND, call whom you were able from other than Allah if you were truthful."
10) SO, if they do not answer/reply to you,
11) SO, know that was/is descended with Allah's knowledge, that (there is) no Allah except Him,
12) SO, are you submitters/surrenderers/Moslems?"
13) Who was/is wanting the life the present/worldly life
14) AND, its decoration/beauty/ornament, We fulfill/complete to them their deeds in it,
15) AND, they in it are not being reduced/cheated/caused injustice to.
16) Those are those not (nothing is) for them in the end (other life) except the fire,
17) AND, what they made/did (was) wasted/invalidated in it,
18 ) AND, is being wasted/annulled/canceled what they were making/doing.
**It is clear for all to see that this verse is completely 100% embedded within Biblical Eschatological content.
The Koran is simply regurgitating its source material – the Holy Bible.
A Sura like it? 10 Suras like it? How about 22 like it – all from one book of the Holy Bible – the Book of Revelation.**
(2:23)
Let’s look at this verse in context:
2:23 And if you were in doubt/suspicion from what We descended on Our worshipper/slave, so come/bring with a chapter from its similar/equal/alike to it, and call your witnesses/testifiers from other than Allah, if you were truthful.
2:24 So if you do not make/do and you will never make/do, so fear the fire, that/which its fuel (is) the people and the stones, (it) was/is prepared to the disbelievers.
2:25 And announce good news (to) those who believe and did/made the correct/righteous deeds, that to them (are) treed gardens the rivers flow from beneath it. Whenever they (were) provided for from it from a fruit a provision, they said: "This (is) what we were provided for from before." And they were given with it similar, and for them in it (are) purified spouses and they are in it immortally/eternally.
Summary of 2:23 in context:
1) AND, if you were in doubt/suspicion from what We descended on Our worshipper/slave
2) SO, come/bring with a chapter from its similar/equal/alike to it
3) AND, call your witnesses/testifiers from other than Allah, if you were truthful
4) SO, if you do not make/do
5) AND, you will never make/do
6) SO, fear the fire, that/which its fuel (is) the people
7) AND, the stones, (it) was/is prepared to the disbelievers
8 ) AND, announce good news (to) those who believe
9) AND, did/made the correct/righteous deeds, that to them (are) treed gardens the rivers flow from beneath it. Whenever they (were) provided for from it from a fruit a provision, they said: "This (is) what we were provided for from before."
10) AND, they were given with it similar
11) AND, for them in it (are) purified spouses
12) AND, they are in it immortally/eternally.
**Again, it is clear for all to see that this verse is completely 100% embedded within Biblical Eschatological content.
This is evident from the Koranic concept of “Hell” as defined in the Book of Revelation. The Koran mentions all the ingredients:
a) Fire
b) People
c) Stones (brimstone)
d) Unbelievers
Then, in typical Koranic fashion, the Biblical “Hell” concept is immediately contrasted with the Koranic sensual “Paradise” – which is a twist on the Biblical concept of Heaven, as described within the pages of the Book of Revelation.
The Koran mentions the following ingredients:
a) deeds
b) treed gardens
c) water
d) fruit
So….bringing forth a Sura like it would be to bring forth the Entire Book of Revelation.
Pure and simple.**