Discussion on Quran and status of Jesus [Edited]

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(10:38 )

Summary of 10:38 in context:

10:34 Say: "Are there from your partners (with Allah) who starts/initiates the creation then he repeats it?" Say: "Allah starts/initiates the creation, then He repeats it. So how/where (do) you lie/turn away?"

10:35 Say: "Are there from your partners (with Allah) who guides to the truth?" Say: "Allah guides to the truth .Is who guides to the truth more worthy/deserving that He be followed or who does not guide except that he be guided, so what (is it) for you how you judge/rule?"

10:36 And most of them do not follow except assumption/supposition, that the assumption/supposition does not suffice (replace) from the truth a thing, that Allah (is) knowledgeable with what they make/do.

10:37 And this the Koran was/is not that it be fabricated from (by) other than Allah, and but confirmation (of) what (is) between his hands, and detailing/explaining The Book, no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) from the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.

10:38 Or they say: "He fabricated it." Say: "So come/bring with a chapter of the Koran similar/equal to it and call whom you were able from other than Allah, if you were truthful."

Summary of 10:38 in context:

1) Say: "Are there from your partners (with Allah) who starts/initiates the creation
2) THEN, he repeats it?"
3) Say: "Allah starts/initiates the creation,
4) THEN, He repeats it.
5) SO, how/where (do) you lie/turn away?"
6) Say: "Are there from your partners (with Allah) who guides to the truth?" Say: "Allah guides to the truth .Is who guides to the truth more worthy/deserving that He be followed
7) OR, who does not guide except that he be guided,
8 ) SO, what (is it) for you how you judge/rule?"
9) AND, most of them do not follow except assumption/supposition, that the assumption/supposition does not suffice (replace) from the truth a thing, that Allah (is) knowledgeable with what they make/do.
10) AND, this the Koran was/is not that it be fabricated from (by) other than Allah,
11) AND, but confirmation (of) what (is) between his hands,
12) AND, detailing/explaining The Book, no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) from the creations all together's/(universes') Lord.
13) OR, they say: "He fabricated it." Say: "So come/bring with a chapter of the Koran similar/equal to it
14) AND, call whom you were able from other than Allah, if you were truthful."

**Again, smack-dab in the middle of Biblical Eschatological content – starting with the mentioning of the New Creation as stated in the Book of Revelation Hundreds of years BEFORE the Koran.

It is most interesting that the Koran is said to “CONFIRM” that which is between his hands. It states that it “details/explains” The Book (the Holy Bible), and that there is “no doubt/suspicion in it”, and that it is from the Lord. Finally, it makes the assertion that if “He fabricated it”, and then bring forth a Sura like it.

Now, this is most interesting. The Koran is attempting to compare itself to the Holy Bible. The Koran specifically states that it “details/explains” the Holy Bible.

This brings up the logical question of the so-called “challenge” to produce another like it. If the Koran is meant as a “confirmer” of the Holy Bible, then this means that the Koran is simply going to regurgitate, time and again, what is mentioned within the pages of the Holy Bible.

This is indeed what the Koran attempts to do, as demonstrated by the THOUSANDS of parallel scriptures that can be found between the Holy Bible & the Koran.

In fact, one need not go any father than the last book of the Holy Bible – the Book of Revelation. Here the Koran “confirms” the entire Book of Revelation. Lock, stock & Barrel, up to and including the deity of Jesus Christ!

Without a doubt, this “challenge” from the Koran has to be hands-down, the worst possible thing that the naive Muslim can possibly put forth as “support” for the Koran.

Ironically, it is hands-down the BEST possible thing that the naïve Muslim can do to confirm the authenticity of the Holy Bible!

Muslims who feel that it is their “obligation” to expound upon an assertion such as this, will quickly find that the assertion is putting forth Biblical material as the ROOTS of the Koran – in particular, scripture from the Book of Revelation!

You would do well to study the origin of your beloved Koran.

As in virtually ALL portions of the Koran, the “Sura like it” is the Biblical material from which the Koran borrowed itself from.**

Have a great day…

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Apple

For one split second, I honestly thought that you may be learned in your Faith and Comparative Faith Studies and we might have a debate to agree to disagree.

How wrong I was?

It is evident that you are NOT what you claim to be and do have problems understanding plain english and Arabic. Your responses speak volumes and are a bit too shallow for my likings and contain no substance.

The easiest way to avoid the Truth is to dismiss the evidence, which is exactly what you have done. Stick to Sesame Street.

My job's done here. With your lack of understanding and false credentials, you are hereby expelled from class. School is closed for you. No need to waste my time here.

See Ya.

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Greetings sholay,

Thanks for not refuting my position...

Take care...

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Apple

Your position can only be refuted, if you actually had one?

Try and work it out.

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Greetings sholay,

Thanks for your kind words...

If you know of anyone who can exegetically refute my position...please send them my way...

Thanks...

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Apple You are cute, like a monkey, thank you for the entertainment.

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Greetings All,

Anyone up to the challenge of refuting my position?

Thanks...

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Hello Apple.

You seem to be totally convinced of your belief as regards the Quran and, despite the brothers and sisters showing you evidence to the contrary, you remain adamant that you are right.

Well I am not going to discuss the verses you have posted - I’m not expert enough. :slight_smile:

I will however approach the matter from a slightly different angle.

If this proof that you have discovered is so clear and irrefutable, how do you explain how someone who was a Christian theologian and minister converted to Islam?

Namely Gary Miller.

Link http://www.beconvinced.com/AMAZINGQURAN_htm’.htm

Odd that someone who should have recognised that the Quran was a supposed rip off of the bible came to not only believe that this was not the case but went on to convert to Islam having read the very same Quran which you are wont t o dismiss so readily.

Perhaps you ought to concentrate your efforts on convincing the numerous christians who convert that the bible is THE book rather than wasting your time here.

And believe me, I think I can speak for all the brothers and sisters here, your attempt here IS futile.

Still, I am sure you will carry on trying and we will carry on simply shaking our heads in disbelief! :stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile:

Regards

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Hello again.

Just wanted to add this:

Link: (as before)

http://www.beconvinced.com/AMAZINGQURAN_htm’.htm

I have to admit I have absolutely no idea who “Hans” is but it would appear that at least one element of the Catholic Church does not agree with you.

Regards