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Re: Different thoughts on Edhi
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اسلام بغیر نکاح کے عمل سے گزرے پیدا کئے جانے والے بچوں کو حرامی اور ماں باپ کو ذانی کہتا ہے۔ ماں اور باب کو سنگسار کا حکم دیتے ہوئے یہ ہدایت دینا بھول جاتا ہے کہ ہر بچہ کو اللہ ہی نے اسلام پہ پیدا کیا خواہ حلالی و حرامی اس بچّہ کی نشونما کون کرے گا ؟ چودہ سو سال بعد پاکستان کا مردِ قلندر ایدھی ان بچوں کو پالتا ہے تو اسلام کا سپاہی مولوی اسکو ذندیق، کافر اور واجب القتل سمجھتا ہے۔ اے فرزندان اسلام تُمھارا بھی کمال نہیں۔ ایک جانب تُم اس ایدھی کی تعریفیں کرتے نہیں تھکتے اور دوسری جانب انسان
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Re: Different thoughts on Edhi
I heard what the mufti said about Eidhi and it bothered me. I’ve read comments online saying that Eidi is a jahannami.
I’ve also heard that the scholars of bygone days did not argue with each other and cut each other down in the way some scholars/muftis of today do. Does the above mufti want that illegitimate children should be killed? They have to be taken care of somehow if their parents can’t do so. No soul bears the sin of another. The illegitimate child may not be entitled to certain rights, but he/she is masoom. There are people even criticizing him for not doing namaz. Yes, it is one of the 5 pillars and a very important one with severe consequences for not doing so. However, what does one gain from openly telling the world of someone’s sins? And now that he has left this world, what do you gain from speaking ill of the dead? He wasn’t a dictator or a tyrant, he wasn’t a serial killer, etc. Whatever Edhi’s fate is in the akhirat is best known to Allah. Instead of condemning him, just make dua for his maghfirat and for his family to have sabar…because none of us can be so certain of our fate in the qabar.
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The problem is not what Edhi did or did not do. The problem is that instead of giving money to this ‘mufti sb’, people trusted Edhi sb with their money. Someone’s jealous.
Re: Different thoughts on Edhi
I’ve never heard of this mufti. Anyhow, I couldn’t quite make out everything he was saying. Though some points I did understand are the following, plus my response to them:
A woman can just leave her illegitimate child there he would take care of them - two things about this; first this is more like a service that anyone can take advantage of, it would not be limited to just illegitimate children but even for mothers or parents who would otherwise abandon anyway due to not being able to take care of them etc. So there is nothing wrong with this. The second thing is that even if this was used for illegitimate children, to make that accusation against anyone is a very serious matter.
Zakat, sadaqa etc. being used on non-Muslims - Zakat has restrictions on who can receive it, but sadaqa does not. It can be given to anyone in need. To make an accusation that he’s wrongly spending zakat funds is also a serious accusation and shouldn’t be made without having solid evidence about it.
I couldn’t make out what his point was about people not seeing that he’s teaching Qur’an and Sunnah and donating to Edhi’s foundation. The former is a religious institution while the latter charitable institution, so I don’t understand what his issue is about people donating there for charitable causes.
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**This is the problem with these self-styled muftis, ****quick to call others kafir, quick to demean other sects and religions.
**Most of them are no better or worse than Mufti Mahmood or your average bigoted maulvi or maulana
Aur itni baareekiyon mein jana zaroori hai? This is the problem with such folk. Edhi set up his organisation for a noble cause. Whether some of the beneficiaries of his charitable work were illegitimate children or belonged to a different faith shouldn’t really matter or should be the least of anyone’s concerns
Humanity should always come first..
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you can NOT spend Zakat money on anyone or anything as you please. it has to be spend according to the Islamic guidelines. however, sadaqaat can be spend pretty much on anyone and anything [that is legal in Islam].
it is the religious, moral and legal obligation of the charitable organization to make sure Zakaat monies are distributed according to Qur’aan and sunnah.
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Your average Pakistani molvi. Pathetic, inhumane, and immoral.
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KKF I get your point about zakat but I was talking about other donations to Edhi trust
And…Thank you religious scholars (I mean so called)…You are only good at creating confusion and division among masses.
Edhi Foundation fears drop in donations after propaganda campaigns
khud tau in sey iota ka kaam nahin hota insaaniyat ka, jo kar raha hai usey bhi na karney dau
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Jo aurat nabi pak par kachra dalti thi… mera nabi uski ayadat karnay jata tha…
nabi pak ka chacha… kafir tha…nabi nay uskay sath acha rawaya rakha…
Yeh mufti kis kisam ka parchar kar raha hia.. donation par takleef itni takleef…
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I do not want to sound racist but most of these mullahs with extreme views belong to just one ethnicity
Look at MMA, look at JI, look at Council of Islamic Ideology, Look at this mufti…
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The guy is a known name amongst religious scholars and runs a big madrasah in Gulshan Iqbal block 2 Karachi.
But I agree with others. The problem is this that more people give charity to Edhi foundation than these madrahsas so it’s blue of a professional jealousy speaking.
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So basically you are here agreeing to Moulvi Sahab?
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I haven’t heard the posted talk but I have heard his thoughts on Edhi from his past lectures so know what he must have said. Having said that, his Zakat objection might be right but there is a way of saying things. Har baat pe kufr ka fatwa lagana is stupidity. Aap jannat ke thekedaar hain kya
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partially, in reference to Zakaat ONLY. the Sadaqaat CAN be given to non-Muslims. we have the responsinility as Muslims to take care of ALL the human beings with Sadaqaat but NOT at the expense of Islamic Education and learning. we must allocate funds as individuals towards the human welfare and Islamic Education, propagation and learning [deen].
it’s just because Zakaat has very stringent rules of distribution.
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Yea Haram-khor muftay ka arzu mand Mufti kaun hay?
Yea kambakht jab Allah kay vali ko na pahchan saka tou yea kaisa Musalman hay?
Just imagine, Edhi won ~20 million dollars in prize money (he was given over 70 various prizes from all over the world) and gave it all to his trust (over 2 billion rupees). People donated him billions and still he lived a basic life. His shoe was one he bought 20 years ago, and had only two sets of cloth, one to wash and other to wear. People he provided lived better life than him.
Edhi served creation of Allah more than any human being ever did. He saved over 22000 life of children whose mother wanted to throw them to get killed. Above Haram-khor Mufti call them ‘illegitimate’ (Haram kee aulad) children but what is their sin or fault? They are creation of Allah as any child, sinless being, and this ‘illegitimate’ Mufti call those masum (innocent) little children ‘illegitimate’ (when actually, it is their parents and those who call them ‘illegitimate’, are ‘illegitimate’ … as it is not the child, but these people do haram .. with their acts or words) … shows that this Mufti himself is ‘haram-ke-aulad’.
Edhi provided over 20000 ambulances for poor Pakistanis, provided kafan and graves to millions. Gave gusul to 10s of thousand dead bodies with his own hand. Provided medical care to millions. Trained 100s of thousand nurses, teachers, computer programmers, and people in others vocation. Gave shelter to over 50,000 old people, and homeless. Fed millions every day, etc, etc, etc … … … etc.
Anyhow, I can tell with certainty that any Sadqa, Khairat, Zakat, Fitra, and any type of donation given to Edhi is better than giving to any religious parties or organisations anywhere in the world.
Edhi was vali-Allah: We should remember that ‘Izzat aur Zillat’ is given by Allah, especially after death. Allah has given very few people in history, Izzat all around the world, irrespective of race, colour or religion. By the grace of Allah, Edhi is one of them.
In history of Pakistan, before the death of Edhi, only person who gets ‘Izzat’ even within country, in true sense is Quaid-e-Azam. Now, Edhi name is also there, with one difference, that is, Allah has giving Izzat (honour and respect) to Edhi all across the world.
Allah has clearly shown the world that Allah loved Edhi, something Allah has never shown for any person so obviously. For instance, friends of Allah rarely look for worldly life and luxuries of this world, same was true with Edhi, but in present world of materialism, show-offs, wealth-worship, official protocols, and self-promotion, many ignorant people think that one who in their life are materially rich, powerful (due to their position), have protocols, are respectable and great people … something Edhi never cared, but Allah wanted to show the world that even when Edhi did not wanted that in life, Allah would give him more than that after death and Allah did. (We should remember, that for others, all their respect ends after their death or over time).
Anyhow, no person in history had such state funeral as Edhi, getting praise from whole nation … an unique thing to happen and show signs that he was loved by Allah. Quaid-e-Azam also had Gun-Carriage State funeral with
Gun salutes, but at the time, Pakistan was not as resourceful, hence Edhi Gun-Carriage State funeral with Gun salutes was more glorious. Zia also had such state funeral, but he was controversial figure, and many hated him and considered him Munafiq, Zalim and Liar, and thus did not attended his funeral or cared.
Further, both Quaid-e-Azam and Zia were state person, Quaid as national leader and Zia died while in service, but Edhi was only non-state person who got Gun-Carriage state funeral with Gun-Salutes.
Rarely people get buried in grave they literally dug and prepared themselves, a sign of someone who is prepared for death and eager to see his creator … and here also we see that Edhi is probably only person in this category. Edhi dug and prepared his own grave with his own hand 25 years ago … and it was after 25 years, he got buried in that grave, the grave he dug and prepared himself.
Certainly Edhi was Vali-Allah whom Allah loved and gave him unprecedented honour and success, and made millions his fan who loved him, trusted him, honoured him, respected him, and cared for him.
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Even though most what Edhi trust spend is on destitute and needy, who are mostly Muslims, but that should not matter, as there is no such thing in Islam that Zakat (or Sadqah or khairat or fitra or whatever donation) cannot be given to non-Muslim. Only requirement of Zakat is that, it should be given to those who are Mustahaq (destitute and needy) … and should not be spent on expenses or wages (except modest expenses of people collecting Zakat).
Actually, first group of people a person should give Zakat is amongst own relatives and neighbours, regardless of they are Muslim or non-Muslim.
It is true that some people claiming to be scholar have opinion that Zakat should not be given to non-Muslim, but their argument is baseless and has no reference or basis from Quran or Sunnah.
They base their argument on principle saying that since non-Muslim are not liable to pay Zakat, they should not be eligible to get Zakat, but that argument is ridiculous. It is same as saying that, since even Muslim destitute and Muslim needy (those who have less than Nisab) are not liable to pay zakat than they should not be illegible to get Zakat. Shows, how baseless and ridiculous their argument in this respect is.
Secondly, there is no difference between Zakat and Sadqah, with difference that Zakat is minimum Sadqah made obligatory on Muslim with resources. To make things easy, that minimum required Sadqah is named Zakat, and rest (above minimum) as Sadqah. Though in reality, all is Sadqah, including Zakat … and purpose of all Sadqah (including Zakat) is to purify wealth what one has, or avoid/divert any problem in life.
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This mufti who sits in a grand mosque of posh area of Karachi… spreading hate … He does not know adequate of criticism… saying Edhi a grand parent (dada) of those illegitimate children.
No one in crowed have balls to question him on such remarks on Edhi… Awam ko faisla khud karna hai.. ager sawal nahi kar sakty ho to phir inhi jaisty muftion kay talway chato…