Different thoughts on Edhi

[Pisiform]

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@TLK

The guy is a known name amongst religious scholars and runs a big madrasah in Gulshan Iqbal block 2 Karachi.

But I agree with others. The problem is this that more people give charity to Edhi foundation than these madrahsas so it’s blue of a professional jealousy speaking.

My house was right in front of Zarwali’s mosque , I grew up listening to his babbling all my life from 18 loud speakers he installed. Not surprised he made those comments. He had a huge following back when I was in pak, it probably has grown now

[khoji]

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@mahool

saying Edhi a grand parent (dada) of those illegitimate children.

I don’t know why these so-called “religious” preachers with self-proclamied moral authority exhibit no morals in their language towards others. This reminds me of that JUIF mullah who threatened Marwi Sarmad on national TV threatening her with disgusting words indicating his desire to rape her.

Sharwali … not Zarwali.

[TLK]

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@Pisiform

My house was right in front of Zarwali’s mosque , I grew up listening to his babbling all my life from 18 loud speakers he installed. Not surprised he made those comments. He had a huge following back when I was in pak, it probably has grown now

Aha so you were in block 2 also. My house was right in front of Masjid Furqan which was two three streets over from Zarwali’s mosque

[Pisiform]

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@TLK

Aha so you were in block 2 also. My house was right in front of Masjid Furqan which was two three streets over from Zarwali’s mosque

mine was right on sardar ali sabri road, behind the playground, you probably have passed in front of it, white house with red roof top and name written on it in urdu. I miss that place sometimes.

I remember masjid furqan and kamran market and there was another store where they fixed bikes back them

[Mostar95]

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The area is heavily radicalized with two deobandies khankhas - one of this Zarwali and the other one is that of Ashrafia people! (the later are better people).

50 years ago there were all balouch goths!

[TLK]

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^ Yes, the whole area where Abid town and Abid plaza are was agricultural land with baloch people living there

Pisi, you were on A Side or B side?

[laylahai]

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@Sa1eem

Even though most what Edhi trust spend is on destitute and needy, who are mostly Muslims, but that should not matter, as there is no such thing in Islam that Zakat (or Sadqah or khairat or fitra or whatever donation) cannot be given to non-Muslim. Only requirement of Zakat is that, it should be given to those who are Mustahaq (destitute and needy) … and should not be spent on expenses or wages (except modest expenses of people collecting Zakat).

Actually, first group of people a person should give Zakat is amongst own relatives and neighbours, regardless of they are Muslim or non-Muslim.

It is true that some people claiming to be scholar have opinion that Zakat should not be given to non-Muslim, but their argument is baseless and has no reference or basis from Quran or Sunnah.

They base their argument on principle saying that since non-Muslim are not liable to pay Zakat, they should not be eligible to get Zakat, but that argument is ridiculous. It is same as saying that, since even Muslim destitute and Muslim needy (those who have less than Nisab) are not liable to pay zakat than they should not be illegible to get Zakat. Shows, how baseless and ridiculous their argument in this respect is.

Secondly, there is no difference between Zakat and Sadqah, with difference that Zakat is minimum Sadqah made obligatory on Muslim with resources. To make things easy, that minimum required Sadqah is named Zakat, and rest (above minimum) as Sadqah. Though in reality, all is Sadqah, including Zakat … and purpose of all Sadqah (including Zakat) is to purify wealth what one has, or avoid/divert any problem in life.

This is the best definition of zakat I have come across. Actually in quran the ayat that lists the groups of people that you can give zakat to are first, your own parents. Now parents can be muslim or non muslim. Whoever came up with this idea that zakat can only be given to a muslim is not doing proper research. The biggest problem of our nation is that we never research and instead we rely on baseless fatwas or opinions of humans like maulvis. We need to follow the law of God, not his creation.

[laylahai]

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Why are children labelled as illegitimate? Logically it doesn’t make sense because it should be the action of the parents that should be termed illegitimate, not a soul. I wish people stop using this term for others.

[batameez]

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[kchughtai]

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take a look at this video response by a molvi. this guy just nailed it. a very fitting reply to the mufti zar wali bablings

https://www.facebook.com/jamil.khan999/videos/10153604969227382/?pnref=story

[SindSagar]

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The Holy Quran Sura al-Baqarah 2:177

It is not [the] righteousness that you turn your faces towards the east and the west, [and] but the righteous[ness] (is he) who believes in Allah and the Day [the] Last, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Prophets, and gives the wealth in spite of his love (for it) (to) the near relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and (of) the wayfarer, and those who ask, and in freeing the necks (slaves) and (who) establish the prayer, and give the zakah, and those who fulfill their covenant when they make it; and those who are in [the] suffering and [the] hardship, and (the) time (of) [the] stress. Those (are) the ones who are true and those, [they] (are) the righteous.

In my humble opinion the Holy Quran does spell it out neatly by** priority** so there can no doubt:

1. **Give to your next of kin **( zil Qurba)
2. The Orphans (Abdul Sattar Ehdi takes care of Orphans and destitute people)
3. The needy(muskeen) ( " " " takes care of the muskeen)
4. The wayfarer(Traveller) ( His Ambulances pick up injured travellers)
5. Those who ask (the forgotten) ( He Shelters the Homeless)
6. Freeing the slave
7. Zakat Compulsory (can be given as noted above and to schools but not to Masjids)

[batameez]

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[Sa1eem]

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@laylahai

This is the best definition of zakat I have come across. Actually in quran the ayat that lists the groups of people that you can give zakat to are first, your own parents. Now parents can be muslim or non muslim. Whoever came up with this idea that zakat can only be given to a muslim is not doing proper research. The biggest problem of our nation is that we never research and instead we rely on baseless fatwas or opinions of humans like maulvis. We need to follow the law of God, not his creation.

Thank you for appreciating what I posted. Anyhow, I think it is important to correct something you wrote.

Your concept is right, that first group of people one should give zakat are those Mustahaqs who are closely related, followed by neighbours, other relatives and those around you. Then only people in other categories come. In all cases, religion does not matter.

Anyhow, important thing I want to mention here is that, a person cannot give Zakat to own parents or own children. Further, Husband cannot give Zakat to his wife … though wife can give zakat to her (mustahaq) husband.

Why? … Because, those who are responsibilities, one cannot give them Zakat. Needs and responsibility of parents are on children, hence children cannot give them Zakat. Same is the case with children, as they are responsibility, one cannot give them Zakat.

[Well, according to Islam, children are fruits and parents are tree, thus whatever is there of children belongs to parents, just like whatever is there of fruits belongs to tree. Thus, children cannot give zakat to parents, as whatever children own belongs to parents anyhow].

As for wife/wives, since they are responsibility of husband, it is their right to get what they need, thus husband cannot give zakat to wife/wives.

Since husband is not financial responsibility of wife/wives, she can give zakat to husband if husband is mustahaq (eligible to receive Zakat).

Thus, when we talk about relatives, we talk about uncles/aunts, siblings, cousins, etc. If they are mustahaq, their right to receive Zakat is more than others.

[laylahai]

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@Sa1eem

Thank you for appreciating what I posted. Anyhow, I think it is important to correct something you wrote.

Your concept is right, that first group of people one should give zakat are those Mustahaqs who are closely related, followed by neighbours, other relatives and those around you. Then only people in other categories come. In all cases, religion does not matter.

Anyhow, important thing I want to mention here is that, a person cannot give Zakat to own parents or own children. Further, Husband cannot give Zakat to his wife … though wife can give zakat to her (mustahaq) husband.

Why? … Because, those who are responsibilities, one cannot give them Zakat. Needs and responsibility of parents are on children, hence children cannot give them Zakat. Same is the case with children, as they are responsibility, one cannot give them Zakat.

[Well, according to Islam, children are fruits and parents are tree, thus whatever is there of children belongs to parents, just like whatever is there of fruits belongs to tree. Thus, children cannot give zakat to parents, as whatever children own belongs to parents anyhow].

As for wife/wives, since they are responsibility of husband, it is their right to get what they need, thus husband cannot give zakat to wife/wives.

Since husband is not financial responsibility of wife/wives, she can give zakat to husband if husband is mustahaq (eligible to receive Zakat).

Thus, when we talk about relatives, we talk about uncles/aunts, siblings, cousins, etc. If they are mustahaq, their right to receive Zakat is more than others.

Yes I almost knew that you can’t give zakat to your parents…but I read an ayat of quran and it specifically mentioned parents first in the list of people you should give zakat to.. I am still confused. I’ll find that ayat and post it here. Maybe I didn’t get something right.

[Sa1eem]

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@laylahai

Yes I almost knew that you can’t give zakat to your parents…but I read an ayat of quran and it specifically mentioned parents first in the list of people you should give zakat to.. I am still confused. I’ll find that ayat and post it here. Maybe I didn’t get something right.

Brother, I think you are referring to Ayah 2:215.

Ayah 2:215 … They ask thee what they should spend (In charity). Say: Whatever ye spend that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers. And whatever ye do that is good, -Allah knoweth it well.

[falil-walidayni wal-aqrabeena … translated as Parents and kindred (kin). Obviously, walidayen are aqrabeen too.

Actually, kindred means: near of kin, next of kin or close blood relatives … that includes Parents and children]

We should remember that in Islam, charity does not only mean, giving money for sake of Allah, but charity also means anything good we do with others for sake of Allah, even smile is charity. Anyhow, in above ayah, it is spending money for sake of Allah, and thus, such spending is also charity.

Above ayah (according to what I understand) is not about Zakat (minimum money required by a person to give as charity as obligation). The Ayah is about spending money that Allah would consider as Charity and good deeds. In ayah, Allah mentions who are the best on whom a person should spend.

Important thing to remember is that, Parents are part of kindred (nearest of all kin) that includes children and all blood relatives (wife are also included as kin by default), but Allah has specifically mentioned parents in the ayah, shows parents are most important of blood relatives on whom a person should spend.

As mentioned in Ayah, in Islam we consider whatever person spends on blood relatives, including parents, wife and children, are all charity and good deeds, and Allah would reward a person for that. That is why, not only in Islam, but in all religion and society, we hear of the phrase ‘Charity starts from home’.

As for Zakat, it is not Charity (just like slice of bread is not bread), but it is a part of Charity (just like slice of bread is part of bread). Zakat is minimum part of charity that Allah has made obligatory on Muslims.

Zakat has its own rules. This part of charity (Zakat) is for those who are not responsibility of a person (that means parents or children, who are responsibility of a person, are excluded … as I mentioned earlier) … else, people would be spending on those who are their responsibility, and would consider that they have fulfilled the obligation of Zakat.

For Zakat, read ayah 9:60.

Ayah 9:60 … Zakat (mentioned in ayah as Sadqah) are for the poor and the needy, and those employed to administer the (funds); for those whose hearts have been (recently) reconciled (to truth); for those in bondage and in debt; in the cause of Allah; and for the wayfarer: (thus is it) ordained by Allah, and Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.

[Ordained (farz): word used in Quran is Fariza … or such sadqah is made obligatory on Muslims]

Note: In Ayah 2:215, spending mentioned is not made obligatory (fariza), but here (Ayah 9:60), this charity (Sadqah) is made obligatory (fariza).

It should be noted that people (or group) mentioned in ayah 9:60 are also mentioned in 2:215, though kindred are not mentioned in 9:60, but those kindred whose responsibility is not on a person, they can get included in needy category, hence they have preference over others, as they are mentioned before others in ayah 2:215.

I hope, your confusion on the subject would get over.