Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
May be he wanted to convey that some people (after 1500 yrs) would still be argueing what he wanted to convey something he never did in his whole life.. After Quran was fully revealed and muslims taught everything that was necessary what else could be the mystery.. may be he wanted to convey again that dont fight among yourselves..
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
even the Quran confirms by this same verse that u have put forward that Muhammad (saw) did not know how to read/write and he never did learn that even after becoming a prophet…
1400 saal se sab ko maaloom hai keh Muhammad (saw) was illiterate or ab in hazraat pe achanak nayee wahee utri hai keh he was taught to read/write… 
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
If u see with ur blinds eyes The quran has used the word Min Qabli which mean Before quran.Quran nazil hoonay k Baad yani wahi ka silsila jaab shorooo hooa tu Muhammad Illiterate nahi thai.Aur Ayaat se Saaf nikhar kar araaha hai ke Yea ke muhammad Literate thai.Pahlay Arabi sikh loo Phir Yea Sabit karna ke Tumhary Khud Sakhta nabi Zaada Literate thai.jin Ko App sab Imam Kahtay Hoo.
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hehehe, note the bold part…that part certainly cannot be concluded from the verse 
that is just you adding your opinion to the verse…
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
^ note that Quran does confirm that for the major part of his life, the Prophet (saw) was not able to read and write, and historical accounts prove that he never did learn reading/writing even after that....
if someone wishes to oversee all that and wants to believe only what he/she has seen by his own eyes then u really cant debate on history with that person....
and i wonder how such ppl then fit in to the "yominoona bil-ghayb" category.....
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chalo jee…
Can you prove any of what you are saying to a native arabic speaker?
So all those mufasireen that are native arabic speakers and all those people in Makkah and medinah that are natives and their mother tongue is arabic, are all wrong
and some dummy out of south asia thought he can explain the quran to those who speak its tongue in a better way…
makes so much sense…
lolz…
that like telling the cat that it should not meow because in urdu it sounds like “main aaoo”
paindo speakers trying to translate fus-ha arabi…
acha tau I thunk dat “mani yin yumna” in quran means the money I got in my right hand…
cool…
changes the meaning of the verse completely…
stupid stupid…
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
(QURAN AND MATTER OF PEN AND PAPER)
Surah al Hadeed "Oh you who believe, fear Allah and believe in his Prophet". The words "oh you who believe" illustrate that Allah is addressing the Muslims and in particular addressing the Companions of the Prophet during the time of the verse's revelation. Allah's command to the Companions to "believe in the Prophet" suggests that even during the Prophet's (s) lifetime there existed those who believed in Allah but did not possess a correct belief in the Prophet (s), hence necessitating the revelation of such a verse. Thus, as Muslims we cannot truly believe until we believe in the Prophet (s). Consequently if we have doubts in what the Prophet says and commands, then naturally our belief in the Prophet is flawed.
What does the Qur'an Tell us?
In fact, there exist no verses in the Qur'an that prove the second thesis that obedience to the Prophet (s) is conditional and limited only to certain circumstances. On the contrary, the Qur'an makes clear that obedience to Allah (swt) can only occur if one obeys the Prophet (s) unconditionally - since the Qur'an deliberately excludes mention of any particular conditions in which obedience is not obligatory. Rather, the Qur'an commands us to obey the Prophet, and does not restrict our obedience to only a particular area. Allah (swt) is the absolute Judge, but sent Muhammad (s) to act on His behalf, so that humankind would seek guidance through the Last Messenger.
Clear Unconditional Obedience
Surah al Maidah verse 92 "Obey Allah and Obey his Prophet and worry, and be warned that the Prophet's duty is only to deliver the message clearly"
Surah Mujadilah verses 12-13 "Perform Salat (Prayer), give Zakat and Obey Allah and his Prophet"
Both these noble verses clarify the matter unambiguously. Allah commands the Muslims in the Qur'an to obey Allah - unconditionally - and furthermore to obey the Prophet - once more, unconditionally
Duty only to convey the message clearly
Surah Nur verse 54 "Obey Allah and his Prophet and if you dispute, then on him is what is imposed on him, and on you is what is imposed on you; and if you obey him you are guided aright; and there is no duty on the Prophet save the clear delivery".
Duty only to convey the message clearly
Surah Aal-e-Imran verse 32 Say, "Obey Allah and the Prophet, but if they turn back, then verily Allah does not love the disbelievers"
Never dismiss the words of the Prophet (s
Surah Anfal verse 20: "O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak)."
Don't dispute in the presence of the Prophet (s)
Surah Anfal verse 46 "And obey Allah and His Messenger and do not quarrel?."
Obedience to the Prophet (s) means obedience to Allah (swt)
Surah Nisa verse 80 "He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds)."
No one can overrule anything that the Prophet (s) said
Surah AL-AHZAB, verse 36: "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path"
Every decision of the Prophet (s) is binding upon us
Surah Hashr verse 7 "And whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal."
Summary of the verse's
NOW : AHLE SUNNAT ATHENTIC BOOKS AND REFERENCES IN LIGHT OF MATTER PEN AND PAPER.
This is what we read in Sahih al-Bukhari as narrated by Ibn 'Abbas: When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab, the Prophet said:" Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said: "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Qur'an, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us." The People in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray," while the others said what 'Umar said. When they made much noise and quarrelled greatly in front of prophet, he said to them, "Go away and leave me ". Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "it was a great disaster that thier quarrel and noise prenvented Allah's Apostle from writing a statement for them. (Sahih al Bukhari Arabic-English Volume 9 hadith number 468 and Volume 7 hadith 573 ]
The Prophet asks to write final instructions before his death, and evidently these instructions were to be his last will and testament, to prevent the Muslim Ummah from going astray. He commands in the capacity of the Seal of the Prophets and Allah's Messenger: *'Bring me a bone of scapula, so that I may write something for you after which you will never go astray.' **What is our obligation as Muslims here at this crucial time in particular? No doubt, to hear and obey, for as the Qur'an says in Surah al Maidah verse 92 *"Obey Allah and Obey his Prophet and worry, and be warned that the Prophet's duty is only to deliver the message clearly"; **
Bukhari reports from Ibn Abbas: *'The people differed in their opinions although it was improper to differ in front of a prophet, They said, 'What is wrong with him? Do you think he is talking no sense (delirious)? Ask him (to see if he is talking no sense). *[Sahih Bukhari V 9 #468] Indeed, not only did they disobey the Prophet and quarrel with each other in front of him in contradiction to the clear command of Allah to obey the Prophet and not to turn away from him, they even spoke down to the Seal of Prophets: *"What is wrong with him?" *
The Holy Prophet (s) was accused of speaking deliriously **
The Prophet was clearly not asking something out of the ordinary - just a pen and paper. Yet we read that some of the companions intervened and said the Prophet was talking no sense! The phrase 'no sense' is in itself extremely insulting, particularly since it was directed to someone as great as the Prophet (s) the greatest man of all time. The words they used in response to the Prophet's order were **'this man is speaking yahjur'; the word actually means 'incoherent speech - nonsense'. In that there is no doubt, Yahjur comes from the root word "hajara". According to Hans Wehr's "A Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic edited by J. Milton Cowan"
Hans Wehr's "A Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic"6 edited by J. Milton Cowan, 3rd edition - Publishers Ithaca, New York" - page 1019
Hajara means "To emigrate; to give up; to abandon; TO TALK NONSENSE
*"the first dispute that took place during the Prophet's sickness, according to what the Imam Abu Abdullah Muhammad b. Isma'il al-Bukhari relates on the authority of Abdullah b. Abbas, is as follows: When the last sickness of the Prophet became acute, he said, 'Bring me an inkpot and writing material; I shall write something for you so that you will not be led astray after my departure'. Umar said, 'the Prophet has been overcome by pain, God's Book is sufficient for us'. A noisy argument arose among those gathered; whereupon the Prophet said 'Go away there should be no quarrelling in my presence'. Ibn Abbas says, 'What a tragedy which prevented us from having some writing of the Prophet!". *
Al Mihal al Nahal, by Allamah Muhummud b. Add'al Karim Shahrastani, page 18 - English translation by A.K.Kazi and J.G.Flynn (publishers Kegan Paul International, First Edition
THINK ALL ABOUT IN LIGHT OF QURAN ......THNIK and **
**ask question from your heart. (can Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) speak none sence??? as Bukhari says.......?
ALLAH AP SAB KA HAMI WA NASIR HO......
Any views on this ???
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
^ shame on u....
accusing the close companions and the close family members of the Prophet (saw) od disobedience....
i know u hate and disrespect others, but even those that u claim to love and respect were there and u suggest that they simply discarded the saying of the Prophet (saw)....
why do u hate those who Allah in His Holy Book has said that He is pleased with????
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DONT DELETE THE THREAD.. and discuss here. let see who is right and wrong.
Now i saw braveness in you to ask question,, YOU SAID HE IS HIS FAMILY MEMBER,, CAN PROVE IT BY QUR'AN????????
i know u hate and disrespect others, but even those that u claim to love and respect were there and u suggest that they simply discarded the saying of the Prophet (saw)....
why do u hate those who Allah in His Holy Book has said that He is pleased with????
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
dont blame me, dear brother,. if some have acuse . that is your BOOK..
why you are blaming me.... infact this truth, where your mind is ready to accept it. go to ur schollars and ask about the hadith and reality... go and come back to blame me , either this is me to acuse or that is you... and among your.
ALLAH HAFIZ
i know u hate and disrespect others, but even those that u claim to love and respect were there and u suggest that they simply discarded the saying of the Prophet (saw)....
why do u hate those who Allah in His Holy Book has said that He is pleased with????
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for first sentence:
I cant prove that, and you cant prove your statements 
its information we believe because it was narrated to us.
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
Do you know what turning away means? Anyway, since you love to hate and can't accept anything else I wouldn't really bother explaining.
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(29:48)Before the revelation of this Quran, you did not know how to read or write with your own hand.
that's not what the verse says.. it's an extremely incorrect translation.
Before we tackle it, look at this verse too:
[25:5]And they said: "Tales of the people of old, اكْتَتَبَهَا while they were being dictated to him morning and evening."
Ponder over the verse and the use of iktatabaha which means he wrote it.. (also of note is the dishonest scholarship of translators who avoid translating it correctly because it conflicts with their darling 'history' of the Prophet's illiteracy).
Now what kind of an allegation would that be if it were widely known the prophet couldn't read and write himself?? Who would take that seriously?
The Qur'an thought it was serious enough to respond so it must be more than just about 'literacy' or being able to write and read anything. It was specifically about the Prophet being unaware of God's scripture. the Torah, and the Injeel and God's system.. He was a Gentile. So he couldn't have recited scripture before this:
[29:48]You were not reciting before this, مِن كِتَابٍ nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case, the doubters would have had reason.
Note the most important part in Arabic. The prophet wasn't reciting from a Book.. it's not just about reciting anything in general or writing anything in general.. it's about him not having been versed in scripture or being a Gentile.
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
Ponder over the verse and the use of iktatabaha which means he wrote it.. (also of note is the dishonest scholarship of translators who avoid translating it correctly because it conflicts with their darling 'history' of the Prophet's illiteracy).
Now what kind of an allegation would that be if it were widely known the prophet couldn't read and write himself?? Who would take that seriously?
The Qur'an thought it was serious enough to respond so it must be more than just about 'literacy' or being able to write and read anything. It was specifically about the Prophet being unaware of God's scripture. the Torah, and the Injeel and God's system.. He was a Gentile. So he couldn't have recited scripture before this:
[29:48]You were not reciting before this, مِن كِتَابٍ nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case, the doubters would have had reason.
Well i want to post it too but i just translate the meaning which we hear from diff scholars thanks for posting this ayaat in detail
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^ PA and IJ
pure rubbish.
chaha yeh punjabi naheen its fus'ha arabic...
and those you call dishonest were more honest than you can ever imagine.
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well do u have a counter argument other than calling it rubbish and then falling back on your idols? What research have YOU done.. share it.. point out the faults in the argument according to YOUR knowledge.
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bhai jan...
I have better things to do than to waste time proving what is clearly evident already.
The speakers of the language are those who are born with it. Arabic is not a lame language like English.
Arabic is much more rich. And specially the tongue of the Quran is the highest level of arabic or fus'ha as we know it.
So the best of the native speakers rely on what the prophet SAW taught as the meaning. And what the Sahabah understood from them. and then the pious Allah Fearing scholars understood from them and so on and so forth. And those who want to cast doubts or fall prey to such tricks, can only be pittied.
Not punjabi speakers who had a stomach ache and tought that the meaning was something different then what the rest of the millions of speakers and 100s of scholars believe it to be. 100s of scholars who have delved in the science of tafseer of Quran.
So dude or dudette, like the Quran says:
"Lakum Deenikum walee ya deen"
To you your faith and to us our faith.
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Again, the Qadiyanis (PA and Imran) are hell bent on changing the meaning of Quran to better fit their agenda of spreading Qadiyanism!
Point to NOTE: Who would know MORE about Arabic language and how it works? The Arabs or these 19th century heretics who follow a fake prophet? The Arabs, obviously. So, why are these Qadiyanis telling us what Quran means when Arabs for 1500 years could NOT come up with same translation and ideas they want to put forward as the "true" meaning? Where did they get the meaning from? The "more accurate" translation?
On one hand, its "oh we respect Quran, we honor the prophet mohammad..." and on the other hand undermining and hurting Islam from within with their deceptive tactics and hidden agendas.
Ye arabs ko arabic seekhayain ghay... aur khofnaak baat ye hai ke humarey apney "sunni/shia" friends are stupid enough to dance along with the devil. Sath "oh jee wah jee wah jee kya baat ki hai jee apney..." jesey pata nahi mamu lagtey hain in ki rishtey main.
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its the biggest lie i ever heared
islam is complete, and who ever does'nt belive that he is.............................
Re: Did Prophet Mohammad want to convey a message before he died
well as far as teaching arabic to arabs, and the prophet not being completely illiterate being a new idea, at least one major sect (shias) believe that the Prophet could read and write, and their origin is quite early in Islam in arabia, and the principal sources of religious dogma for that sect were arabic speaking.
i dont know about various sunni sects but going by what ive learnt about sunni Islam, what is presently the prevailing view may not always have been the universal "sunni" belief.
so its not really just a matter of revisionism, and much more related to whom you look to for historical knowledge.