Details of interpreting verses from the Qur'an and obvious blunders

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Re: Details of interpreting verses from the Qur’an and obvious blunders

@kchughtai

peace LKK,
“The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him.”
means a prophet from among a nation related to bani Israel and he will be LIKE Moses. The prophecy is a bit vague but clear enough for clear-minded people. The vagueness comes from two terms ‘from among your brothers’ and ‘Like thee’. Jews, Christians and Muslims interpret them differently.
We muslims believe that the subject prophecy is about our holy prophet(pbuh) but both Jews and Christians have their own
justifications to reject prophet Mohammad(pbuh). Why?
Who said we neglect hadith but if you look at hadiths especially hadith of descent close to Damascus and Imam malik’s hadith of Dajjal and Isa(as) circumbulating the kaaba, you can clearly see that it has metaphors. No rocket science needed to get to this conclusion.
Moreover, we don’t put hadith and fiqah and opinion of scholars above clear statements of holy Quran.

Peace kchughtai

I agree that Muslims take this prophecy to be for Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) … but I find the above statement somewhat is very pertinent to this thread … I have highlighted it …

Breaking down what you said:

The order of priority is:

Clear statement of Qur’an
Hadith
Fiqh

This is exactly the order we also profess to … so again I agree with you … But … how is it that despite both of us using the same priorities we arrive at very different conclusions?

Before you respond let me offer some reasons …

A) What we see as clear may not be what you see as clear verses and vice-versa

B) Hadith by yourselves are rejected on the basis that you see “clear” verses going against them … but since we do not necessarily see the verses as clear we don’t feel the need to reject the hadith.

C) You see our acceptance of hadith as giving priority to them over the Qur’an, but we see it as a natural disposition to find the balance between hadith and Qur’an … we don’t reject hadith based on our understanding of Qur’an … because hadith could be well referenced and in such a case they gain importance and authority.

The mu’tazila and other aqeedah groups also do this … they will reject hadith even if they are authentic and well referenced …

D) This creates another shift that we see - which is others favouring their understanding of ayat and banishing hadith rather than looking for the situation where both the hadith and ayat fit together … The Ahl-u-Sunnah (Mainly Ash’aris and Maturidis) will always take the position of lowest possible disruption … and will always use rules and traditions to determine what verse is clear and what verse is not rather than using our logic or best gut feeling to say this verse is mutashabih and this is not …

Just from the conversation between Mr.Popat and myself you can see how much disruption it causes to accept his rendition of the verse 7:25 … One would have to conclude that space travel and residence in space is a hoax … despite plenty of repeatable evidence for it.