Re: Delaying having kids after marriage for few years?
seriously... how many couples do you see pumping out babies every year? and yet, people are out passionately debating contraception as if they are the first ones to happen upon this evil evil idea...
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The original question is to "WHETHER TO DELAY SEX TILL A COUPLE FIGURE OUT IF THEY ARE MADE FOR EACH OTHER OR NOT".
No...you are wrong....the original question is 'delaying kids'.....sex is not equal to kids.....
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This is piousness gone wrong. Everyone practices "family planning" to some degree unless you're going at it bareback non stop between pregnancies.
There's nothing wrong with delaying having kids.
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No...you are wrong....the original question is 'delaying kids'.....sex is not equal to kids.....
OK.....I'm wrong :) Happy
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That’s a first on these forums, someone admitting they were wrong. Respect!
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You have been reading Wiki load of “misconceptions”. (Pun intended) 
Prevention of pregnancy may be OK but abortion without a genuine acceptable cause is not. Not even before four months.
(FYI: Four months by itself is a long time. Infants do survive given few more weeks)
FYI-2: Catholics also believe in NO ABORTION and they permit coitus interruptus only as good option.
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India and China have one of the largest populations presently- they are also the rising super-powers of today.
You living in a cave lady? China has a one-child policy; they knew they wouldn't get anywhere with their exploding population so they stepped right up did what was best for them, didn't get bogged down in stupid religious/cultural arguments.
And India seems to have a pretty extreme poverty for a superpower.
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The fact is, if a child is meant to be conceived, no amount of contraception will prevent it from happening. That is Allah's will.
By the same logic, I should drive a car at 200 km/h because if I'm not meant to die, I won't. I'm invincible until the day comes, right?
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By the same logic, I should drive a car at 200 km/h because if I'm not meant to die, I won't. I'm invincible until the day comes, right?
Lmao.
And China is not a superpower, just a premier power. The only superpowers were the British Empire, America for much of the 20th century and the Soviet Union. I doubt we'll see another superpower again because the only way countries get to become and stay superpowers is by stepping on the little guys and we are all seeing what happens when you do that for too long (America vs the world)
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Lmao.
And China is not a superpower, just a premier power. The only superpowers were the British Empire, America for much of the 20th century and the Soviet Union. I doubt we'll see another superpower again because the only way countries get to become and stay superpowers is by stepping on the little guys and we are all seeing what happens when you do that for too long (America vs the world)
Exactly. On a totally different note, I believe people really underestimate the European Union.
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talking about the initial topic here, I think it depends on how well settled the couples are after they get married and also want a chance to get to know each other properly before they go down that route.
I've always LOVED babies and thought I'd be an early mom but my fiance wanted to have kids at least 4 years after marriage. After hearing horror stories from friends who have become mommies recently and giving in to my career choice, I decided to delay it as well. Now he's the one getting puppy-eyed at the mention of babies.
I think it's all part of a conspiracy by corporations that make baby products. They're all so darn cute and small and tiny and adorable! <3 aided by the whiff of baby powder couples just finally give in.
Delays would have been much more prolonged if they made ugly baby stuff. For sure.
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Exactly. On a totally different note, I believe people really underestimate the European Union.
EU is a bunch of squabbling socialists and is hardly comparable to one state like the US or China. The European parliament, akin to federal government in the US / China, is toothless and it is like american states and chinese regions had more say in the country with a nominal govt which ain't the case right now.
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You living in a cave lady? China has a one-child policy; they knew they wouldn't get anywhere with their exploding population so they stepped right up did what was best for them, didn't get bogged down in stupid religious/cultural arguments.
And India seems to have a pretty extreme poverty for a superpower.
The fact remains: that they are seen as the rising powers and they do have the largest populations at present.
Their policies in this regard is a different thing.
Also the one-child policy is being seriously reviewed due to the obvious drawbacks.
Because the country's population is aging fast. The first children born under the one-child policy face the prospect of caring for an ever-increasing number of pensioners.
China also faces the daunting prospect of many men who can't find wives as many female foetuses have been aborted, resulting in a huge gender imbalance. Seeing this, in a decade or two China will have very little workforce, lesser lads in military, with the US already eyeing it as a potential threat, we can see why is the policy being reviewed.
And according to Islam the solution of poverty isn't to have lesser kids but to fix our zakat system. The rich give to the poor. The reign of Hazrat Umar (AS) is a great example of that. But for that we need Muslims to believe in and strive to implement these stupid religious arguments - in their countries.
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The fact remains: that they are seen as the rising powers and they do have the largest populations at present. Their policies in this regard is a different thing.
Also the one-child policy is being seriously reviewed due to the obvious drawbacks. Because the country's population is aging fast. The first children born under the one-child policy face the prospect of caring for an ever-increasing number of pensioners. China also faces the daunting prospect of many men who can't find wives as many female foetuses have been aborted, resulting in a huge gender imbalance. Seeing this, in a decade or two China will have very little workforce, lesser lads in military, with the US already eyeing it as a potential threat, we can see why is the policy being reviewed.
And according to Islam the solution of poverty isn't to have lesser kids but to fix our zakat system. The rich give to the poor. The reign of Hazrat Umar (AS) is a great example of that. But for that we need Muslims to believe in and strive to implement these stupid religious arguments - in their countries.
You are obviously very confused. We are really deviating from the main topic, but anyways, China's one-child policy is only being review now that they have control of the population. In any case, the policy will remain for another decade at least. Also, as the Chinese become more educated, they won't need the state's help to plan their families.
And your second point is idiotic. Pakistan's economy isn't growing fast enough to create enough jobs to match the population growth. HECK, NO ECONOMY IN THE WORLD IS GROWING FAST ENOUGH!
20-30 years down the road, Pakistanis will be going crazy for food (some already are). No way a small country liek Pakistan can sustain this type of population growth in Pakistan. Basically, you are implying that there should be tens of millions of illiterate, good for nothing people, 2 families living in one room, unemployed and this whole mass should be sustained by Zakat? I stand in awe of your intelligence. SALUTE, Ma'am!
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Hazrat Umer was 1500 years ago, there were no population problems back then. And if you study history, you will know that he actually filled the treasury with money, he didn't just stand there doing nothing. He knew that money runs the state/empire, not prayers. The state was not run on Zakat. It was run on other income, like taxes from trade, land etc.
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^ True. We're deviating here but you're tying economics and politics to children.
People also don't consider the environment and natural resources. If the 2 billion people in India and China go through the industrial revolution there and are ALL driving their SUVs and pickup trucks like the West did in the 70s, 80s and 90s, as well as expanding their production facilities without regard for pollution, the world's climate is going to go to shiet. India and China don't care because the West had their growth without restrictions while the West is desperately trying to help them become efficient and consider some restrictions. Children only increase the burden on resources and in turn, increase population.
The "be fruitful and multiply" type commands may have worked 2000 years ago but the world is a very different place today. Populating your family with 8 or 9 kids is not only stupid in my opinion, but irresponsible. IceSoul is right, they're already having power and food shortages and the monsoon rains are becoming more erratic as well, destroying the agriculture. When the water shortages start in the next 15-20 years, we'll see real violence start to begin. I know that's a long time, but the planet is going to become nightmarish for those people in the future unless the governments become more responsible and take care of the land and the people.
This is kind of off topic but you keep bringing politics into it and the fact is, children simply add to the burden on the state, as well as the land and having more and more is not a solution but a part of the problem. Impoverished Pakistanis, like Africans, need to be taught about birth control, but tauba tauba, that is haram!
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People also don't consider the environment and natural resources. If the 2 billion people in India and China go through the industrial revolution there and are ALL driving their SUVs and pickup trucks like the West did in the 70s, 80s and 90s, as well as expanding their production facilities without regard for pollution, the world's climate is going to go to shiet..
You know what you said about SUVs, that's a real hazard. If global warming and populations **both **continue to increase, then the effect will be two fold. Demand for food will be increasing on one hand, while on the other, the amount of arable land will be decreasing. It's predicted that if this happens, i.e both global warming and populations continue to increase at this rate, the world population will eventually "collapse". Which basically means that billions will die of hunger. Maybe not in the next couple hundred years, but this will happen. Population growth and global warming are *REAL *problems. Open your eyes.
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This thread reminds me of how a friend of mine, spoke in favour of birth control as a means of controlling the population, when he went to Pakistan. His relatives got very angry and called him a kaafir for holding such an opinion. 
Some people would be scandalized if they read this thread 
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You know what you said about SUVs, that's a real hazard. If global warming and populations **both **continue to increase, then the effect will be two fold. Demand for food will be increasing on one hand, while on the other, the amount of arable land will be decreasing. It's predicted that if this happens, i.e both global warming and populations continue to increase at this rate, the world population will eventually "collapse". Which basically means that billions will die of hunger. Maybe not in the next couple hundred years, but this will happen. Population growth and global warming are *REAL *problems. Open your eyes.
Desis are so indifferent towards the population and environment, it's really frustrating.
This thread reminds me of how a friend of mine, spoke in favour of birth control as a means of controlling the population, when he went to Pakistan. His relatives got very angry and called him a kaafir for holding such an opinion.
Religion superseding common sense? That never happens!
/sarcasm
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talk about derailing a thread
marriage, babies…and people are discussing super powers, politics, and blah blah…