Saarim, I guess your pb litmus theory is outdated :D
Lusi, I never liked you, and I now know why.
A Scientist's theories are always ridiculed...until you realize that the ship will *not *fall off the end of our seemingly flat planet.
Lusi, I never liked you, and I now know why.
A Scientist's theories are always ridiculed...until you realize that the ship will *not *fall off the end of our seemingly flat planet.
You have never like me...lol... you have to be a multinick. lol
I thought you were the Official GS FOB Tester? Now you are also a Scientist?
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:D
^^Cauz we were slaves, we ARE slaves and we will remain slaves ... still impressed by the people with perfect English and white skin ... I wonder how many of us get impressed by a perfect urdu and darker skin ????
Hypocrites we are
In that case NaMaan u should b very mpressed by me
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This is one of my fav. topics. FOBS originally were Fresh of the Boat Euro. immigrants true, but now there are so many different types of FOBS and ABCD's that its mind boggling.
For example if you were born in the US your parents were probably FOBS.
The IT guys that come from South Asia and the taxi drivers, 7-11 owners etc, who got here in their 20's or 30's also fobs.
Then there are the high class FOBS. The KGS students going to Harvard and Yale, and the LUMS grads doing finance in Lehman brothers (although they are probably headed home now;) the movie makers and dress designers in NYC and the wanna be actors in LA also FOBS since they were born in South Asian countries.
There are also 3rd culture kids, people who maybe Pakistani, Indian Chinease whatever and grew up in UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain or a combo of these countries. For technical purposes they are also FOBS but they are very different from the random IT guys, the engineers or the doctors who come here to settle because they are 'paindu' The others are just cosmopolitan and citizens of the world.
ABCD's are also getting complicated now. American born desis are sometimes confused in different ways.
There are the coconuts (brown on the outside white on the inside) people who act white, have white friends and generally are shocked to see their brown faces in the mirror, tend ot marry white.
2nd are the hyper desi these are super into bollywood, Junoon, strings and pk fashion, good customers of the online boutiques ;) (think that's what their cultrue is all about) and love desi food and write odes to chai. This group thinks they are close to their culture but they dont' really know anything of substance about their culture but have a great deal of superficial knowledge about their culture, they also only associate with others or their own confused kind. These people hate the coconuts and the feeling is mutual.
3rd type is desi trash. These ABCD's grow up in the ghetto and emulate the african american and latino communities and poor whites (term is a play on white trash). They know little about their own country, but they are also not well adjusted into the white world of the 'model minority' they hang on welfare do odd jobs and most desis are surprised to learn that desis of this variety exist.
A fourth variety is the religious zealot. These people want to have little to do with Paksitan per se, they consider themselves to be part of the muslim community, they have unhealty obsessions with anything Arab (often arabs will make fun of thse people by telling them bad words and telling them these are prayers) They try to be a part of the world wide islamic community and feel paksitani culture is too influcenced by indian culture in its clothing language and art. These people will visit arab countries before seeing their own relatives in Pk, and wil learn Arabic instead of Urdu. These people hate the 2nd type of ABCD but will tolerate the Coconut. The cocunut who is so white that they are very PC and will often tolerate the religious zealot becuse they do not have the cultural components of the former ABCD they hate. Finally desi trash will sometimes become the "relgious zealot" when their mexican boyfreind or girl freind dumps them, to join the mainstream community and get married.
Finally there is the rare unconfused American Born Desi. This person is well adjusted, and understand his or her place in the world. They have a healthy appreciation for their culture, and can function w/in the American community as well. This type of desi will often find themselves comfortable with the High class and 3rd culture fobs. They try to learn their respective languages, tend to be moderately religious and generally comfortable with their identity.
So here's my brief encyclopedia. Hope it helps!
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^^ you really studied the subject didnt you
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While we are at it, incase people were not sure. 'Desi' includes anyone from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. Sometimes people from Nepal also consider themselves 'desi'
Then there are the high class FOBS. The KGS students going to Harvard and Yale, and the LUMS grads doing finance in Lehman brothers (although they are probably headed home now;) the movie makers and dress designers in NYC and the wanna be actors in LA also FOBS since they were born in South Asian countries.
Good post, but you are so wrong (as for the indication they are headed home)... Most of them are are already working elsewhere, with 'fatter' paychecks my friend!
wen i call sumone a fob i think of the pure thick desi accent thats erupting out into the english--- and when they dont dress in style-- there are many ppl that have been here for over15 yrs and they still didnt enhance the style and the language correctly- i guess they will remain fobs-- so saaddd :( LOL
p.s- i love peanut butter too-- can't call me a fob ;-)
The easiest tried and tested way of knowing if you are a FOB or ABCD is .... peanut butter.
FOBs hate peanut butter, no matter how long they have lived in America!
No FOB can ever grow to like it, or appreciate it. They think it's just weird.
Test this with any FOB that you know -- and you will see how accurate this litmus test is.
Umm I am an ABCD but i HATE peanut butter!!!
......test failed. How about using "Sushi" as a test.
Or even better yet, ask them to pronounce the word "Schedule"...
if they pronounce it "Skedjjewllll"...then almost a proper ABCD...BUT
if he/she says "Shedeooule"......then its a FOB alert
Sorry if i offended anyone :)
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All these definitions are crap.
The gold standard is:
How you clean your behind.
Use water = FOB
Toilet Paper = ABCD
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LOL Afro-Sheen.. people in Pakistan pronounce the word schedule as "skedjewelll" and not "shadule" anymore..been there, observed that!! :D
LOL Afro-Sheen.. people in Pakistan pronounce the word schedule as "skedjewelll" and not "shadule" anymore..been there, observed that!! :D
unfortunatelyi have still heard it pronounced that way...and these were "educated" people
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^ Do you know how British pronounce this word?
Hot topic ...hmmmm
When i visited states last time, i loved peanut butter, n brought some with us to pak.
Not only peanut butter i loved so many things.
Actually we are IPAC.
Which means "Impressed Pakistanis Are Confused" or "Impressed People Are Confused"
What i understood is "FOBs are Paindu group of people because of their ignorance about a new Country's language n culture."
They who think like that, hey Its very natural.So what if they make mistakes.
Like sali786 said They will remain FOBs,come on they were not born in usa.
This is one of my fav. topics. FOBS originally were Fresh of the Boat Euro. immigrants true, but now there are so many different types of FOBS and ABCD's that its mind boggling.
For example if you were born in the US your parents were probably FOBS.
The IT guys that come from South Asia and the taxi drivers, 7-11 owners etc, who got here in their 20's or 30's also fobs.
Then there are the high class FOBS. The KGS students going to Harvard and Yale, and the LUMS grads doing finance in Lehman brothers (although they are probably headed home now;) the movie makers and dress designers in NYC and the wanna be actors in LA also FOBS since they were born in South Asian countries.
There are also 3rd culture kids, people who maybe Pakistani, Indian Chinease whatever and grew up in UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain or a combo of these countries. For technical purposes they are also FOBS but they are very different from the random IT guys, the engineers or the doctors who come here to settle because they are 'paindu' The others are just cosmopolitan and citizens of the world.
ABCD's are also getting complicated now. American born desis are sometimes confused in different ways.
There are the coconuts (brown on the outside white on the inside) people who act white, have white friends and generally are shocked to see their brown faces in the mirror, tend ot marry white.
2nd are the hyper desi these are super into bollywood, Junoon, strings and pk fashion, good customers of the online boutiques ;) (think that's what their cultrue is all about) and love desi food and write odes to chai. This group thinks they are close to their culture but they dont' really know anything of substance about their culture but have a great deal of superficial knowledge about their culture, they also only associate with others or their own confused kind. These people hate the coconuts and the feeling is mutual.
3rd type is desi trash. These ABCD's grow up in the ghetto and emulate the african american and latino communities and poor whites (term is a play on white trash). They know little about their own country, but they are also not well adjusted into the white world of the 'model minority' they hang on welfare do odd jobs and most desis are surprised to learn that desis of this variety exist.
A fourth variety is the religious zealot. These people want to have little to do with Paksitan per se, they consider themselves to be part of the muslim community, they have unhealty obsessions with anything Arab (often arabs will make fun of thse people by telling them bad words and telling them these are prayers) They try to be a part of the world wide islamic community and feel paksitani culture is too influcenced by indian culture in its clothing language and art. These people will visit arab countries before seeing their own relatives in Pk, and wil learn Arabic instead of Urdu. These people hate the 2nd type of ABCD but will tolerate the Coconut. The cocunut who is so white that they are very PC and will often tolerate the religious zealot becuse they do not have the cultural components of the former ABCD they hate. Finally desi trash will sometimes become the "relgious zealot" when their mexican boyfreind or girl freind dumps them, to join the mainstream community and get married.
Finally there is the rare unconfused American Born Desi. This person is well adjusted, and understand his or her place in the world. They have a healthy appreciation for their culture, and can function w/in the American community as well. This type of desi will often find themselves comfortable with the High class and 3rd culture fobs. They try to learn their respective languages, tend to be moderately religious and generally comfortable with their identity.
So here's my brief encyclopedia. Hope it helps!
Well written!
unfortunatelyi have still heard it pronounced that way...and these were "educated" people
The brits say "shedyool" and americans say "skedjewel" - I think both are correct.
Something my hubby says thats kinda cute is "bathing costume" to refer to a bathing suit....
In america, a "costume" is something you wear on Halloween. So every time he says this, I picture him in a little blue speedo, a big red cape and a big "S" on his chest lol!!
Umm I am an ABCD but i HATE peanut butter!!! ......test failed. How about using "Sushi" as a test. Or even better yet, ask them to pronounce the word "Schedule"... if they pronounce it "Skedjjewllll"...then almost a proper ABCD...BUT if he/she says "Shedeooule"......then its a FOB alert
Sorry if i offended anyone :)
but thats a British thingie... our principal back in school, a British Gora, Mr. Brimblecomb used to say schedeeeole too!! He was no FOB!!