Saudis are doing to Islamic holy sites what even Israelis wouldn't have dreamt of doing. And the worst part is that most Muslims see no problem in Saudi destruction of Islam's history.
We make so much of Israeli occupation of Quds, when Israel has not even touched that mosque, but are complacent in case of Saudis when they have annihilated all Islam's historic sites in Makkah and Medina.
I think Makkah and Medina should be controlled by OIC instead of any one sect. Those two cities belong to the whole Islamic world, not to Saudis alone.
I am trying to understand what you are saying. If Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has less oil than Russia and Nigeria, then how is SA more prosperous/wealthy then the other two?
^ And that's what you Saudi supporters can do. To become personal when you have no answer.
Jews don't have to. Saudis are doing their work of destruction already.
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Or rather Pakistanis have taken this task upon themselves as well ! You know ,, Kill two birds with one stone !
Or in more poetic way " Hum to dobbay hain sunam, tum ko bhi lay doobain gay !
Your matters at home are more worrisome than Saudis ! Get your priorities right first,,errr,, if you know what they are I meant ! :D
Yes he did ! hypothetically thats what it means - replace the word "sponsorship" with "Clapping & Cheering" if you wish.
Besides, although it hurts to see Pakistan and Pakistanis in such a dire mental state of mind I feel sorry and dismal. Peace
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Or rather Pakistanis have taken this task upon themselves as well ! You know ,, Kill two birds with one stone !
Or in more poetic way " Hum to dobbay hain sunam, tum ko bhi lay doobain gay !
Your matters at home are more worrisome than Saudis ! Get your priorities right first,,errr,, if you know what they are I meant ! :D
Are you saying that besides S. Arab, Jews have something to do with the destruction of Pakistan also? As far as I know, pakistan gets sponsored by the US, and not jews. They are not the same.
Nono you are getting me wrong, I was referring to the interest of J. in S. Arab and Pakistan and other Muslim countries (Afghanistan, Sudan, etc). You got me really curious now.
Your matters at home are more worrisome than Saudis ! Get your priorities right first,,errr,, if you know what they are I meant ! :D
Here in world affairs section we discuss the world, not Pakistan. For discussing Pakistan we have another section called Pakistan Affairs.
Besides, just discussing about Saudi destruction of Islam's historic sites doesn't mean that Pakistanis are not concerned about Pakistan. It is just a discussion.
It is similar to Pakistan and Pakistanis condemning atrocities somewhere in the world. Just discussing about the world doesn't mean that Pakistanis are forgetting about Pakistan.
What Saudis are doing is not just related to Pakistan but to Islam in general. Islamic history belongs to all Muslims. What Saudis do to Islamic history effects the whole Muslim world. It is not just the internal matter of Saudis. This is similar to Israeli actions against Quds and the reaction it will have in the Islamic world, including Pakistan.
Saudi destruction of Islamic historical sites in Hejaz is worse than what Zionists would have done if they the occupiers there.
Take it from someone who is born and lived his whole life in the kingdom occupied by Al Sauds. The ruling family is a bunch of illiterate bedouins ( I only respect Faisal for the stand he took and eventually paid the price for by his life). It is only in the interest of the foreign superpowers of the world that the Al Sauds stay in charge of the important Islamic sites as well as helping these powers keep their clutches on the assets such as the black gold that do not even belong to them. I can't really say more but the facts are brighter than the sunlight for everyone to see.
Here in world affairs section we discuss the world, not Pakistan. For discussing Pakistan we have another section called Pakistan Affairs.
Besides, just discussing about Saudi destruction of Islam's historic sites doesn't mean that Pakistanis are not concerned about Pakistan. It is just a discussion.
It is similar to Pakistan and Pakistanis condemning atrocities somewhere in the world. Just discussing about the world doesn't mean that Pakistanis are forgetting about Pakistan.
What Saudis are doing is not just related to Pakistan but to Islam in general. Islamic history belongs to all Muslims. What Saudis do to Islamic history effects the whole Muslim world. It is not just the internal matter of Saudis. This is similar to Israeli actions against Quds and the reaction it will have in the Islamic world, including Pakistan.
Saudi destruction of Islamic historical sites in Hejaz is worse than what Zionists would have done if they the occupiers there.
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What destruction ? I have to ask you again !
Safeguarding scared sites against natural calamities ?
Removing all signs of burial stones from the graves to discourage pilgrims from collecting dirt from such graves and use it for 'surma' and other medicinal totkas ?
Perform a daily 'qawali session' and 'chaddar covering the graves' ?
And several more,,,, to protect Alam-e-Islam from Shirk that Allah swt discards the MOST ? Have you forgotten the teachings of Prophet Mohammad pbuh who warned whole umma against such dreadful practices of Shirk ?
I think Hejazis got it right from the days of Mecca when Mohammad pbuh re-entered Mecca and spread the meaning of his message and great work.
I'm a muslim allhamdulillah and was born in Karachi, lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for many years. This is for those narrow minds who believe otherwise !
Oh Come on! Always mention which 'Sect of Islam' you belong to, it would be easier to Understand what and why you say what you say ! It makes a huge difference in perspective
Take it from someone who is born and lived his whole life in the kingdom occupied by Al Sauds. The ruling family is a bunch of illiterate bedouins ( I only respect Faisal for the stand he took and eventually paid the price for by his life). It is only in the interest of the foreign superpowers of the world that the Al Sauds stay in charge of the important Islamic sites as well as helping these powers keep their clutches on the assets such as the black gold that do not even belong to them. I can't really say more but the facts are brighter than the sunlight for everyone to see.
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I have quite the opposite experience. However you have bad crop and good crop they have the both mix, where as your opinion is generalized and not much help to prove it otherwise.
King Abdullah was known to be THE MOST sympathizer and friends with Pakistan before he was bestowed even during Fahd's days. And what Pakistanis thought of him should be surfed again with 'Wikileaks' and what now deceased Salman Taseer Gv Punjab had to say about him !!! Its quite fresh as well,,,,,
Saudi destruction of Islamic historical sites in Hejaz is worse than what Zionists would have done if they the occupiers there.
hahaha, deluded much? Are the Saudis trying to make the world forget about the true holy mosques, like the Jews are doing by promoting the Dome of the Rock as Masjid al-Aqsa? Do they prevent Muslims from visiting these sites?
People start screaming when a Buddhist statue is destroyed by some illiterate people in Pakistan or Afghanistan but seems like it is okay and acceptable for the same crowd to let the saudi establishment destroy these historic sites related to some significant islamic personalities. Oh and on top of that we are backing them and making all sorts of justifications.
Hahaha.. Deluded Much?
You people are astoundingly ignorant, considering all it takes is a simple google search to dig up articles on Saudi destruction of Muslim historical, cultural and religious sites.
“What makes this demolition worse is the fact that the home of the Prophet is to make way for a parking lot, two 50-storey hotel towers and seven 35-storey apartment blocks; a project known as the Jabal Omar Scheme, all within a stone’s throw of the Grand Mosque. Yet despite this outrage, not a single Muslim country, no ayatollah, no mufti, no king, not even a Muslim Canadian imam has dared utter a word in protest. Such is the power of Saudi influence on the Muslim narrative.”
“History is being erased in order to accommodate ever increasing numbers of pilgrims. Over 300 sites have been destroyed in the last 50 years. 95% of the sites in Mecca have been destroyed. As few as 20 structures are (http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.muslimparliament.org.uk%2FMecca.htm) that date back to the time of the Prophet. It would seem that at this rate there won’t be much for those like Congressman Tancredo who suggested Nuking Mecca to destroy. Muslim silence over the destruction is shocking.
A Mecca conference in 2005 that criticized Israeli destruction of historic sites, and the Saudi protest of the destruction of the Babri Mosque in Ayodhya, India would seem hypocritical.
The site where the Prophet grew up has already been demolished, a library has now been built over the house where the Prophet was born and now there are plans to demolish that to build skyscrapers.
Five of the renowned “Seven Mosques” initially built by Prophet Muhammad’s daughter and four of his “greatest Companions”: Masjid Abu Bakr, Masjid Salman al-Farsi, Masjid Umar ibn al-Khattab, Masjid Sayyida Fatima bint Rasulillah and Masjid Ali ibn Abi Talib have been demolished.”
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I have quite the opposite experience. However you have bad crop and good crop they have the both mix, where as your opinion is generalized and not much help to prove it otherwise.
King Abdullah was known to be THE MOST sympathizer and friends with Pakistan before he was bestowed even during Fahd's days. And what Pakistanis thought of him should be surfed again with 'Wikileaks' and what now deceased Salman Taseer Gv Punjab had to say about him !!! Its quite fresh as well,,,,,
You experience is different because your ideology is the same as those in SAUDI. The majority of Muslims however are not Wahabis, so most normal Muslims will be extremely offended by them.
People start screaming when a Buddhist statue is destroyed by some illiterate people in Pakistan or Afghanistan but seems like it is okay and acceptable for the same crowd to let the saudi establishment destroy these historic sites related to some significant islamic personalities. Oh and on top of that we are backing them and making all sorts of justifications.
No one destroying any thing at the Holy sites !
Your understanding is baseless and led by general conception floating/planted on these forums
I have given you elaborated reasons including images as to how/why these engineering modifications were/are necessary.
As far the New mono rail system at the Holy sites and why only GCC nationals are allowed onboard, all reasons and speculations above are premature. IMO Since this system is brand new and untested from the security perspective hence floated for limited use only. I'm pretty sure this system's inception was conceived for All Pilgrims for their best comfort/ease/safety regardless of race or region.
But then again if you have 'hatred for Saudis' these basic and common sense matters will remain beyond your understanding .
Mosques
The mosque at the grave of Sayyid al-Shuhada’ Hamza bin Abdul Muttalib.[5]
The Mosque of Fatima Zahra.[5]
The Mosque of al-Manaratain.[5]
Mosque and tomb of Sayyid Imam al-Uraidhi ibn Ja‘far al-Sadiq, destroyed by dynamite on August 13, 2002.
Four mosques at the site of the Battle of the Trench in Medina.
The Mosque of Abu Rasheed.[9]
Salman al-Farsi Mosque, in Medina.[9]
Raj’at ash-Shams Mosque, in Medina.[9]
Cemeteries and tombs
Jannat al-Baqi in Medina, completely leveled.
Jannat al-Mu’alla, the ancient cemetery at Mecca.[9]
Grave of Hamida al-Barbariyya, the mother of Imam Musa al-Kazim.
Grave of Amina bint Wahb, the Prophet’s mother, bulldozed and set alight in 1998.
Graves of Banu Hashim in Mecca.[9]
Tombs of Hamza and other martyrs were demolished at Uhud.[9]
Tomb of Eve in Jeddah,[9] sealed with concrete in 1975.
Grave of the father of the Prophet, in Medina.[9]
Historical religious sites
The house of Mawlid where Muhammad is believed to have been born in 570. Originally turned into a cattle market, it now lies under a rundown building which was built 70 years ago as a compromise after Wahhabi clerics called for it to be torn down.[10]
The house of Khadija, Muhammad’s first wife. Muslims believe he received some of the first revelations there. It was also where his children Umm Kulthum, Ruqayyah, Zainab, Fatimah and Qasim were born. After it was rediscovered during the Haram extensions in 1989, it was covered over and public toilets were built above the site.
House of Muhammed in Medina, where he lived after the migration from Mecca.[9]
Dar al Arqam, the first Islamic school where Muhammad taught.[10] It now lies under the extension of the Haram.
Qubbat’ al-Thanaya, the burial site of Muhammed’s incisor that was broken in the Battle of Uhud.[5]
Mashrubat Umm Ibrahim, built to mark the location of the house where the Prophet’s son, Ibrahim, was born to Mariah.
Dome which served as a canopy over the Well of Zamzam.[9]
Bayt al-Ahzan of Sayyida Fatima, in Medina.[9]
House of Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq, in Medina.[9]
Mahhalla complex of Banu Hashim, in Medina.[9]
House of Imam Ali where Imam Hasan and Imam Husayn were born.[9]
what is you reference of S.Arab’s interests in Pakistan’s destruction ? Are you sniffing glue again ?