She thinks ISLAMIC SCHOOLS are too corrupt?!?!?!?!?!
Wow. I’m in shock… and comes off as having even more issues IMO…
If you hear about it down the road… definitely call the authorities Reha . It is absurd and disturbing to marry a girl off that young.
Because yea… back in the day there were no laws protecting children but now there are and people can take advantage of this where they exist. Back in the day people got away with burying their newborn girls alive too … but that doesn’t mean its right.
Islam allows women to be educated, to be independent and to work. Sorry but taking your daughters out of education at 14 is not 'islamic', they should be educated to their full potential.
Deen and duniya go hand in hand - the rights of people and the rights of Allah, we need to fulfill both to become good muslims. Allah swt has rights upon us which we have to fulfill eg fasting, salah, worship etc, and our parents, children, neighbours, friends etc have rights which we need to fulfill. You cannot spend your whole life on a prayer mat and ignore your family - that will not make you a complete muslim. Same as, you cannot be the nicest most caring person in the world and ignore your salah, your ibaadah, your fasts or commit shirk (think mother teresa)
We need to educate our daughters even more than how much we were educated so they can go further in the world, we need muslim female doctors, scientists, engineers, teachers, astronomers, how would we progress without education? Yes teach your daughters the importance of deeni education, emboss Salah into their lives, include Ibaadah, teach them about our deen and make them into strong educated muslim women who can go forward in the world. I'm sorry but the world does not stop revolving when females get to the age of 14.
If she is not following the guidelines for home schooling either. She needs to see a shrink. She is too paranoid and psychotic.
Call department of social services on her. She has no right to ruin the lives of two girls who are dependent on her and the society as whole will suffer if these girls also become as mentally sick as she is.
It’s the secular education in Western schools that most parents are afraid of and not from the West itself, because there are great traditional Western values which are compatible with Islamic values, and then there are other issues like bullying in schools etc.
I’m in UK and follow a syllabus for my 3 boys made by American muslim and non muslim educators and yes I don’t teach my kids reading and writing (because eldest son is only 5 n half atm) BUT I read and sing to them Classics everyday for atleast 2 hours, my son can read because he learnt ABCs and phonics through play and songs and I didn’t teach him much but he developed the liking for reading and started to read quite early than the school going kids but he can’t write and I’m not going to force him to learn to write either until he’s ready. You can read an article on web “Early ripe, early rot” regarding teaching kids to read and write after the age of 7 and also few books by John Taylor Gatto the great American Teacher who’s against modern schooling. You can read his famous book here online: Read The Book - John Taylor Gatto
You can also study these books to learn how forced and early schooling harms children.
The Exhausted School: Bending the Bars of Traditional Education by John Taylor Gatto.
What Happened to Recess and Why Are Our Children Struggling in Kindergarten by Susan Ohanian.
**The End of Homework: How Homework Disrupts Families, Overburden Children, and Limits Learning **by Etta Kralovec.
The End of Education: Refdefining the Value of School by Neil Postman.
Child Development and Education: A Piagetian Perspective by David Elkind.
The best thing about homeschooling is that you don’t have to follow State curriculum to teach your kids…though rules might vary in different states of USA, you can buy a syllabus or you can make your own. I bought the curriculum but most things regarding Art, Social Sciences, History and Music are my own ideas. Yes, there’s alot that you can teach a 2 or 3 years old about Social Sciences if you’re not spending those first years in teaching reading and writing because a kid who learns to read at 5 and other at 9, both will be at the same level at the age of 13 so there’s no rush.
Except marrying her daughters at 14 I don’t see anything wrong or abnormal with her way of teaching.
firstly, her argument does not make sense because there is nothing 'deeni' about what she is doing right now, unless there was more to the conversation...like if she means to concentrate on Islamic teachings in the early yrs vs an academic syllabus, that might make sense. secondly, her daughters are 3 and 5, school in the US doesn't even start till 5 or 6 so nothing criminal going on right now so lets not jump the gun and be so judgemental and question someones motives regarding their own children just because it does not match our own views.
Islam allows women to be educated, to be independent and to work. Sorry but taking your daughters out of education at 14 is not 'islamic', they should be educated to their full potential.
We need to educate our daughters even more than how much we were educated so they can go further in the world, we need muslim female doctors, scientists, engineers, teachers, astronomers, how would we progress without education? Yes teach your daughters the importance of deeni education, emboss Salah into their lives, include Ibaadah, teach them about our deen and make them into strong educated muslim women who can go forward in the world. I'm sorry but the world does not stop revolving when females get to the age of 14.
i m not against the education of women but dont quote islam for this. coz where it is mentioned that female shud get proffesional education. provided the fact majority of the women in our society is not aware of the basics of the deen as compared to men. unfortunately our educational institution does not help us much in this respect.
to increase the awareness of deen among and shariah women is most important than to provide them with the opportunities of professional education.
i m not against the education of women but dont quote islam for this. coz where it is mentioned that female shud get proffesional education. provided the fact majority of the women in our society is not aware of the basics of the deen as compared to men. unfortunately our educational institution does not help us much in this respect.
to increase the awareness of deen among and shariah women is most important than to provide them with the opportunities of professional education.
wouldnt it save teh men so much trouble if the women knew how to read and teach themselves deen?
if they had professional eduaction, they could at least read and understand for themselves
I totally understand the home schooling part, nothing wrong with it at all......but marrying your children at 14? It depends on the individual but many 14 year old's are not mentally ready for marriage.....correct me if I'm wrong technically only in New Hampshire can a 14 year old get married lawfully with parents consent and a waiver and even that is a bit sketchy......
Ilam haasil karna har Muslamaan mard aur aurat par farz hai.
If it is not mentioned for women then its not mentioned for men either. I mean where is it mention that MEN SHOULD GET PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION.
There is a reason for making it compulsory for both genders. e.g. There are those very modest women who cannot allow male doctors to touch them , or feel comfortable discussing certain details with male doctor, so they need a lady doctor for that. there are parents who like their daughters to be taught by only famale teachers. There are Women Islamic Banks in ME, in such cases you need all Women Staff, CA, MBA, CFA qualified etc. I can put so many other examples but right now i am at work so cant go into deep details.
I was at a get together at my friend's house last night. A high school friend of ours was also there. She is very religious: hijabi, niqabi, husband is in Tablighi Jamaat, etc.
We were discussing children and education I believe when she spoke up about the way she raises her kids ( I guess she gets attacked a lot for it and felt like she had to defend herself).
Her children are not in school, she has 2 girls. I believe one is 5 and the other 3. She says she will not send them to school because she is scared of our Western culture. She will do whatever she can to protect her children and according to her school is a breeding ground for disasters. She is home schooling but does not really follow the program given. Her girls dont know or keep up with the schooling for their age. According to her, the first 7 years of a child's life are for play, the next 7 are for education and I cant remember what the last 7 are good for. She plans on marrying her girls off at 14 and doesnt care if they starve as long as they have Deeni Talim.
Thoughts?
ufffff this is soooo bad. Really like so many other said, why is she in US then? The solution can be, she can go back to Pakistan or some islamic country with her kids, until they finish their education. Husband can visit them once in a year and they can visit him too. but what she is doing is completely worng with the poor kids :(
I was at a get together at my friend's house last night. A high school friend of ours was also there. She is very religious: hijabi, niqabi, husband is in Tablighi Jamaat, etc.
We were discussing children and education I believe when she spoke up about the way she raises her kids ( I guess she gets attacked a lot for it and felt like she had to defend herself).
Her children are not in school, she has 2 girls. I believe one is 5 and the other 3. She says she will not send them to school because she is scared of our Western culture. She will do whatever she can to protect her children and according to her school is a breeding ground for disasters. She is home schooling but does not really follow the program given. Her girls dont know or keep up with the schooling for their age. According to her, the first 7 years of a child's life are for play, the next 7 are for education and I cant remember what the last 7 are good for. She plans on marrying her girls off at 14 and doesnt care if they starve as long as they have Deeni Talim.
Thoughts?
well what type of question is this? well sis ur a muslim and you can never forget to learn your religious teachings at any level. you must have Islamic education plus modern education, otherwise, you better know that what answer you will give to Allah after death.
so, we all muslims must always not ignore our religious education as well otherwise, we do not deserve to be called a muslim. but a hypocrite we can say
well FT has also said the right thing, that for what purpose they have gone there? coz if you have gone for tabligh only then her husband should go only. and if they went to make money, then sorry man i disagree with their step to go to US
i m not against the education of women but dont quote islam for this. coz where it is mentioned that female shud get proffesional education. **provided the fact majority of the women in our society is not aware of the basics of the deen as compared to men. **unfortunately our educational institution does not help us much in this respect.
to increase the awareness of deen among and shariah women is most important than to provide them with the opportunities of professional education.
so you'd rather have men seeing your wife naked and give birth to your children? because if more people thought the way you did, ther'ed be no female doctors to...take care of your wives/sisters/mothers/daughters.
I think more women are aware of their deen and also their rights...and that makes some men who aren't aware of their total deen (where they have some responsibilities) feel threatened and sad. Poor them. :(
Having more knowledge and more choices can never be a bad thing. Being able to choose having two incomes instead of one is a blessing. Knowing that the wife would be able to carry on if something happened to husband is a blessing. If I were a man, I'd be really worried about something happening to me if I had children and a wife who would need to find another man if something happened to me.
In that case have other TJ's talk to them. I know they don't generally try to keep kids out of school or that type of thing. On the other hand I've seen them emphasize to youngsters to do well academically.
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I find it abnormal that she thinks its okay for her daughters to be handicapped.
Thats not love talking, thats not Islam...thats neurotic.
Speak to other ladies who are involved in tabligh, I am sure you will find educated (even born n raised in USA) women who promote education. Tell them to knock some sense into this woman!
These type of people are rare to find. The tablighis promote education to the max, parhai b4 jamaat is the saying.
. It is absurd and disturbing to marry a girl off that young.