Debating the hijab

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I don't know why not wearing hijab is made out to be such an unislamic gesture. I just attended a Pakistani mushayira in our sheher last night and of 60 odd muslimas (many of whom had come straight from local masjid after a women's only namaz) only one was hijabi. I have seen this ratio in just about every muslim gathering in north America. So all these women are not good muslimah? I think the fact they were raising money for quake victims gives them 1000 times sawaab they lose by being behijab. Go ask those quake victims if they would refuse the aid coming from their behijab behnas because they are unislamic. There are a tousand things more unislamic that every muslim country tolerates and you are worried about a woman being behijab. You guys have too much time on your hands.

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Expatobserver, its not about whether wearing a hijaab can make you a good muslimah or a bad one. Wearing a hijaab as mentioned before is one of those lil steps in Islam that leads a woman to the right path. You can be a good muslimah without hijaaban but think about it, as a student u r at the bottom line of getting an A and u need to push it up to high A wouldnt u want to get some extra credit?? Hijaan is not extra credit, its an ACTUAL ASSIGNMENT but we take it as extra credit. But then as I was saying if u r a good muslimah wouldnt u want something more good to add on to it, hijaab can play a role in that part for that muslimah.

Now, the question is why not everyone do it? From what i have seen, now a days mostly people, pakistani, give prefer to culture more over Islam. Im not talking to the extreme point. What I mean by that if u look in pakistan, it is not necessary to cover ur head when u go out, right? there is actually no punishment for it either. it is totally depend on a woman whether she wana do it or not. On the other hand compare to lets say Saudia Arabia, where everyone have to cover head to toe no matter what race you are from.

Just one example that kills me all the time…u see basically most aunties wearing sarri…and guess what u see when they wear sarri…their belly yuck Seeing that I think is that allowed to show in Islam? So, far the knowldge of Islam I have doesn’t say that we r off the hook by showing a belly. But then same aunties, when their daughters wear any kind of short shirts with tight pants…says its not right :rolleyes: they are contradicting themselves which cause and lead the new generation into confusion too.

Bottom Line, Islam has told us what are our OBLIGATIONS are without leaving us any kind of choice BUT its us muslims now a days that make choice among anything.

May Allah (s.w.t) guide us all to the straight path and let us seek HIS love , ameen

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Sure I do. Sunnah is the expllication of the Quran. It’s how to practice it as the Prophet (PBUH) did. But I do think that Hadith, since it has been passed along by humans, has the possibility of being flawed, if it seems to contradict the spirit of the Quran.

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I could be wrong, but assuming since Allah (s.w.t) has taken the responsibilty of taking care of Quran then He might have too for the words of Prophet Muhammad :slight_smile:

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Good job Emm, Unfortunately. Instead of taking one command of Allah swt. People tend to justify themselves (to suit them better) numerous examples from Sheytaan.

A **muslimah **is one that **wears a hijaab. **Goes to pray, and gives **aid to those in need. **

To give importance to one thing, and totally disregard the other part of deen, what broken up system are you trying to follow?

IF not, atleast admit that to disregard one part of Islam, and focus on another is NOT just. Deen is complete, which is to be followed comprehensively.

To give sadqah, is one thing. TO pray is another.
If you think you give sadqah and you don’t pray you’re making Allah happy, cuz you gave charity to someone. You’re sadly mistaken.

Sadaqah and Salah both must be applied, to give you an example.

Allah swt has absolute knowledge he knows better than all of us, and all our experiences. To totally reject what he knows and has warned us about, tells alot about a person’s belief in Allah swt.

Trust in him, means to trust him with every command he provided, and the Prophet pbuh Showed.

Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majaa, Mishkaat, etc etc. do not have the possibility of being flawed.
There are essays on their science. Refer to them if you wish.

If a hadith seems to contradict the Quran then those hadiths are the ones that are flawed by some average joe ‘scholar’.

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it really doesnt matter where you are from…what’s obligatory Is obligatory…period. Now if you choose not to do it on your own and care more for wordly matters..than that is up to you. But you cant deny what’s ordered to you by Allah (SWT).

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:mudhosh:

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This is called "the final word’'. :k:

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NON MUSLIMS VIEW
The non-Muslims encourage the exposure and exhibition of the female body regarding it as a great art. Public displays of female bodies in magazines like Vogue are considered artistic developments. Careers like modelling, acting, singing and dancing is short cuts for women to become famous and rich. They design clothes for fashion, which hints at the femininity of the woman and emphasises her figure. In other words, a non-Muslim woman should be dressed to kill at all times. Perfume and makeup should be her constant companions. She is dolled up to attract the attention of the people around her so that she can be noticed, admired and desired.

ISLAM VIEW
Islam on the other hand commands a woman to cover herself completely so that she does not attract any attention. The Quran states in Surah Ahzaab verse 59 "… O Nabi! Say to the believing women to draw over them their outer garments (or cloaks) so that they be recognised and not molested." Rasulullah e says in a sahih Hadith, "Shame is a branch of Imaan." Rasulullah e said that, 'A lady who dresses and perfumes herself with the intention of creating interest in men is according to the Shariah an adulteress and she will be punished on the day of judgement for committing adultery or zina.' All the prophets’ woman folk used to put on the outer cloaks, which are called Burqah or jilbab. The Quranic verses and the prophet’s Ahaadith apply to all Muslims regardless of the generation they are born in not only for the times of the prophet e. The outer cloaks is of dull colour and extremely loose so that the Muslim lady is fully covered from head to toe and does not draw any attention femininity when she is outdoors. However, she can dress as she pleases for her husband indoors.

WHAT KUFFAR SAY ABOUT VEIL
The kuffaar say that Islam has enslaved its women by enforcing them to stay in their homes and cover themselves when they come out. How very wrong they are! What have the kuffaar given their women; prizes for displaying their bodies and exposing them to the risk of rape and molestation. Insecurity of losing their husbands to beautiful mistresses. Constant battle with nature to look young and pretty enough to keep your man with you! On the contrary, Islam elevates its women to the peak of respect and saves a woman from disgrace and humiliation, giving her a chance to be treated like an honourable human being and not a mere sex object for the lustful desires of bestial miscreants.

No doubt, we can adopt from the kuffar beneficial technology but should not be led into believing that their culture is better than ours is because it is definitely not! So when the kuffaar and the unfortunately misled Muslims laugh at the covered Muslims ladies, calling them backward and fanatical, we can educate them on the advantage of covering ourselves. Not only will he gain true satisfaction and peace of heart by following the truth, but we will also gain the pleasure of our Rabb who in turn he will reward us very handsomely for not forgetting the teachings of Islam, even after fifteen centuries after Rasulullah e death.

All the innocent Muslims who have strayed from the commands of Islam should know that the kuffar also lose their respect for us when they see us abandoning our culture and fumbling like sheep trying hard to make ourselves at home in their alien and immoral society. Allah says in surah Asr…. "By the time man is in loss, except those who believe". Just when will he start believing and prevent himself from incurring more loss and ruin? Rasulullah e has said, "He who imitates a nation will be raised with the kufar and be thrown into the depths of hell with them?

I hope that with this article Muslim women will he able to decide for themselves what sort of life they want in this world, and how they want to be treated on the day of judgement.

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Judging by the amount of time and effort spent on keeping women veiled, one gets the impression this is a pillar of Islam, which it is not as we all know. yet, Muslim scholars, leaders and their followers would like us to believe that is this is the begining of the end.

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No effort is put behind it, the commands are already there.
You **assume **yourself that this is a pillar of Islam.
The muslims Scholars are therefore right.
You are therefore wrong.

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I was going to comment something on those same line of thought, but was apprehensive about Cresent Bhais Reaction, but now that you have brought it up, you are the bad guy, so I can post my thoughts without hesitation:D

Coming back to the issue, yes if we spent half the time for educating our women, believe you me there would be a whole lot less of female suppression!!!, and apart from that if we spent some time on General education, Men and Women, we would definitely be a Better religion and Better Humans!!!

To cite a few examples, Take Iraq for Example even when India/Pakistan were still contemplating about womens right Iraq Had Female Employees in all fields of life, AND YES THEY DID HAVE HEAD SCARVES!!! and when I say all fields I mean Medical, Education, Law Enforcement, Research, IT, Banking, they even had Female Gas Station Attendents.

To cite another Example Sultanate of Oman, Definitely compared to the other Middle East countries not as rich as them Financially, But if you Visit Sultan Qaboos Universirty in Seeb/ a Suburb of Muscat, you will have no hesitation in granting it the status of one of the best Universities for the education of Omani Males and Females, They Have the BEST Faculty Possible in the world, and I literally mean the Cream of Professionals, now you may ask why, and I will tell you its the administrations Vision for tomorrow, thats Why. Oh Before I forget The Omani Women practice the use of Head Scarf too!!! The Graduates coming out of The SQU Men/Women are the most sought after in the Omani work Force!!!

I am not mentioning other Middle East countries like UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain, and also Qatar, not because they are not developing, but because they still depend on the Expats for a lot of the Basic things, like Banking, Medical, Law and Other Menial Jobs etc.

Now Turn around to Saudi Arabia, where they like Cresent Bhai says (Not Literally) What is Right Islamically, Forget any of the things said above, Hell the Saudi Women are not even allowed to Drive, There was a Saudi TV Journalist, Who Had the Crap beaten out of her by her ISLAMIC HUSBAND, I may be wrong But there is a Saudi Woman Who is now an International Pilot, and has to fly with a Veil on, HELL I AM NOT EVER GETTING ON THAT FLIGHT!!!.

I really fail to understand When we as Muslims are going to get Realistic, and until we get realistic believe me you, we are going to be the bad boys of the world, and the worst part is we bring it on ourselves with our 1400 year old thinking.

Ironically like I said in another thread when ever it suits yes yes yes we can translate whatever however we like it, but God Forbid if we feel the woman is getting better than us, all hell is going to break loose, yes we are hipocrates(sp) of the FIRST ORDER.

Aejaz

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  1. You start off by declaring yourself as the bad guy. Indirectly stating it.
  2. Islam is to be practiced Comprehensively, you can’t pray salah, but work at a strip bar just to be modernized.
  3. Women work, are allowed to be smart which they have every right to, what is **your **point?
  4. Saudi Arabia is the most messed up country int he world. Its not surprising they treat their women this way. They oppose Islam with their laws (keep in mind we’re talking about the society and not individuals) more than any other “Islamic” nation.
  5. The 1500 yr old thinking applies for **any time frame. **
    6. Salam.
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Aejaz Bhai,
Its always a pleasure to read your comments. I have no problems in being called the ‘bad guy’ of GupShup, jub badnam hongain tho kia naam na hoga…more importantly, ruffling lamebrain, narrow minded feathers makes me feel soooooo gooood…:slight_smile:

Coming back to the said subject. You are absolutely right, wherever women have been involved in the workforce there has been a substantial change in work ethics, standards and output has improved. UAE is another example, where women are quickly becoming an integral part of society. Ten years ago, we wud loathe the idea of going to any Governmental office, since educated, well trained Emirati women have joined and taken responsible positions there has been a mark difference in attitudes and tremendous improvement in the working environment. Its remarkable but employers are willing to hire female Emiratis but are reluctant to hire emirati men for obvious reasons, they barely work, have no work ethics and have hugely bloated expectations.

In todays world, obvious culprit keeping women in servile positions are the Saudi religious Mutaween, Petrodollars and their cohorts across the Islamic world. Why have they never told their muslim men to observe Quranic ayath which clearly states they are supposed to lower their gaze? Why is it that women are reposnsible for all evils of this world? My dear Aejaz Bhai, one has to look beyond the Islamic world to find the answer. Chrisitian teachings on women reveals the roots of all this women hatred, of how Eve was responsible for Adams evicition, thus the eternal punishment for them to bleed. Fortunately or unfortunately, many of our pious, well meaning Muslim brothers and sisters have never questioned their religious leaders why the Holy Prophet never practiced nor preached such animosity towards the women folk yet we find so much rubbish being produced to justify this male dominated society.

For obvious reasons I refuse to respond to narrow minded, lakeer le fakir’s servile compliments, far too many times I have locked horns with these numbskulls, but to no avail.

Long live all the women of this world, my mother, sisters, wife (singular) and daughters.

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You are swallowing the crap about sari showing pet without thinking. Yesterday’s mushayira, out of 60 women about 6 or 7 wore saris and not one pet was showing. They cover their per with pallus perfectly. Actually I thought many pnajabi dress (salwar khamise) wearing women were showing a lot more of their endowements thru a thni khamise than sariwali auratays. Sari is a beautiful garment and can be worn with perfect decorum. Just because it is more popular in south India (not north) don’t run it down.

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u got it all wrong, I am not saying anything bad about SARI itself, I was talking about the women that I have seen with MY own eyes wearing sarri in a way that I described in my post.

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Crescent Bhai Salaams,

1 Yes I do accept the responsibility of calling Myself the Bad Guy, Directly or In Directly only because, honestly thats what Conservative or Fanatic Muslims think of me as, So why waste time on arguing about that, why not own up to it??. See even you are attaining pleasure by pointing that to out me!!!

2 How can you state Salat and Strip in the same sentence, Is that all Women can do, WORK IN A STRIP BAR???, your opinion about Women needs a drastic uphaul, My father was a very Busy Businessman and rarely had time for us, but Alhamdolillah, My Mother even though she was an Illetrate learned the hard way and made sure that she thaught us the basics in life, not only that over time she learned enough English and our school curriculum to make sure we all 5 siblings did our Home/School Work and got good grades, this apart from cooking and cleaning and taking care of us when we felt down or Sick, My eldest Sister is a Doctor, My Second sister is a CPA, My wife is a High School Graduate, But I can bet you my life I could not have found a better Mother/Teacher for my 2 Boys, My 1st Bhabi runs My Brothers Business better than him, and My second Bhabi, is a Commerce Graduate, inspite of that she is a full time house wife and takes care of her 2 kids. NOW WHERE DID I GIVE YOU THE STRIP BAR IDEA???.

3 Crescent Bhai Your point # 2 actually does more damage to your belief than good, What do you really mean when you say Women are allowed to be smart??? Can you please elaborate on that statement.

4 I am Glad that atleast you as an individual agree with me about the Short Comings of Saudi Arabia, Now let me ask you this, you specifically condenm them as being the most messed up country, but then you do a 360 degrees turn and say you blame the Society and not the individuals!!! Bhai Pray do tell me what makes society if not individuals like you and me???

5 This is a issue where I know I am going to step on a few toes, Let me start with what I mentioned on another thread (or this one it self I am now losing Track), Did the Prophet Drive a Car? Did he have Airconditioning? did he Fly Airplanes? did he watch Television? did he have Internet Access? Did he have a Passport with a Picture? did he ADVOCATE FLYING PLANES INTO BUILDINGS TO KILL??? Crescent bhai, you know this can be a very very long list, Now here is the question, if this was not the way of the Prophet but we do it in the name of development!!!, WHY NOT WHEN IT APPLIES TO WOMEN? WHY OH WHY???

6 Wa Salaam Bhai.

Aejaz

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becuz what it boils down to is procreation, marriage and suitable partners (esp those that will provide a woman protection) women will continue to try to measure up to standards that men set for them so they can impress them and measure up as good life partners. men know this. they will continue to dictate dress codes for women and reward the obedient ones (marry them, treat them with respect) and punish the dis-obedient ones (call them sluts, justify rape, harrass etc)

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Nah Buddy, by the Grace of Almighty Allah, none of those things happen to me. I used to go to a Catholic Uni n never experienced anything like that.

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Don’t cry sister, you’ll come to it someday. Atleast u realize wut u r doing wrong and wut u r doing right. May Allah (SWT) show all of us the right path (Ameen):slight_smile:

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