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Exactlly… n I hope it continues like that.
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Cresc, don't the 2nd and 3rd degrees in your "conclusion" post contradict each other?
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Aejaz Bhai WaSalaams,
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1 Yes I do accept the responsibility of calling Myself the Bad Guy, Directly or In Directly only because, honestly thats what Conservative or Fanatic Muslims think of me as, So why waste time on arguing about that, why not own up to it??. See even you are attaining pleasure by pointing that to out me!!!!!!
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- If by fanatics, you mean those who are trying to uphold the truth. Then good :)
- Um..ok? I restated wht you stated. Thats like saying, "i smell like a horse." then another person says "You smell like a horse". Then you say " WHAT! WHY ARE YOU SAYING I SMELL LIKE A HORSE! OMG!".
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2 How can you state Salat and Strip in the same sentence, Is that all Women can do, WORK IN A STRIP BAR????, your opinion about Women needs a drastic uphaul, My father was a very Busy Businessman and rarely had time for us, but Alhamdolillah, My Mother even though she was an Illetrate learned the hard way and made sure that she thaught us the basics in life, not only that over time she learned enough English and our school curriculum to make sure we all 5 siblings did our Home/School Work and got good grades, this apart from cooking and cleaning and taking care of us when we felt down or Sick, My eldest Sister is a Doctor, My Second sister is a CPA, My wife is a High School Graduate, But I can bet you my life I could not have found a better Mother/Teacher for my 2 Boys, My 1st Bhabi runs My Brothers Business better than him, and My second Bhabi, is a Commerce Graduate, inspite of that she is a full time house wife and takes care of her 2 kids. NOW WHERE DID I GIVE YOU THE STRIP BAR IDEA????????.
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I gave you an example of how to follow deen *comprehensively. *Instead of focusing your ideas on me and what I say, try to counter argue them with some rational arguments.
This part of your post makes no sense. Its good to know your family history? I guess?
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3 Crescent Bhai Your point # 2 actually does more damage to your belief than good, What do you really mean when you say Women are allowed to be smart??? Can you please elaborate on that statement.
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You can't decide how 'damaged' my deen is.
Women are independent in Islam. They ahve the right to knowledge, education, whatever affairs they want. As long as it is in the bounds of shariah.
Instead of just replying, since this is a merged thread now (thanks sadiyah :) ) you can go back a few pages and read my posts on the positions of women? Please do that before you decide how 'damaged' my religion is.
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4 I am Glad that atleast you as an individual agree with me about the Short Comings of Saudi Arabia, Now let me ask you this, you specifically condenm them as being the most messed up country, but then you do a 360 degrees turn and say you blame the Society and not the individuals!!!!! Bhai Pray do tell me what makes society if not individuals like you and me????
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Yes, the society is messed, because the government, local princes, etc play a role in the process. this does not mean every single individual is corrupt and treats women the same way.
I was in Saudi few months ago, I've seen how women are treated and regarded in society and how *individuals *treat them on a private basis.
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5 This is a issue where I know I am going to step on a few toes, Let me start with what I mentioned on another thread (or this one it self I am now losing Track), Did the Prophet Drive a Car? Did he have Airconditioning? did he Fly Airplanes? did he watch Television? did he have Internet Access? Did he have a Passport with a Picture? did he ADVOCATE FLYING PLANES INTO BUILDINGS TO KILL??? Crescent bhai, you know this can be a very very long list, Now here is the question, if this was not the way of the Prophet but we do it in the name of development!!!, WHY NOT WHEN IT APPLIES TO WOMEN? WHY OH WHY??????
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When you solve a math question. Every question is not the same. YOu can't change the frameworks of approaching a question in mathematics and expect to get a correct result.
Similarily, you cannot change the Islamic system, its laws, the framework it provides, for that has been blessed upon as by Allah swt and that framework is protected. YOu can apply it to any time frame to get a correct result however.
- Degrading the Prophet pbuh (naouzubillah)
- Women were given rights 1500 years ago, the rights are just recently addressed in the west, around 1800s, later ammended in 1880s.
6.5 ) Wa Salaam Bhai.
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****Ok I’ll explain it to you again.. (its in blue)
The second grade of Hijaab is that if the need should arise that a woman must go out then this should be carried out in such adornment which conceals her entirely (This is reffering to a jilbaab). Whilst observing this grade of Hijaab, the application of scent, the wearing of tinkling jewellery, to exercise caution when walking so as not to enter the heart of a mixed crowd etc, are also points to be borne in mind. (REFERS to the Covering required.)
The third and lowest grade of Hijaab is in accordance to the Aayah of Surah Noor, "Except that which is evident." (REFERS to what the *except* stands for, what can be revealed. WIth many interpertations.) This verse is one of differing interpretations. Some scholars believe that ‘evident’ connotates the actual burqa and niqaab whilst other scholars have interpretated that ‘except that which is evident’ refers to the face and hands. (these are the different interpertations, and how the 4 imams *BELOW* base rulings on it.)
From amongst the 4 Imams, Imam Malik, Shafi and Ahmed (R.A) have unanimously agreed upon the first of the two interpretations. According to the schools of thought related to these three Imams, no room has been given to the unveiling of the face and hands regardless of the fear of unlawful acts or not.
Imam Abu Hanifa (R.A) has differed in his opinions favouring the latter of the two interpretations, **however,** he has only accepted the unveiling of the face and hands if there is no fear of unlawful acts arising in the process of this third grade of Hijaab.
Hope that helps you understand it better.
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Yeah I was just being sarcastic for those people that just don’t get it. 
It’s good to see you practicing.
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nice post 
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Crescent Bhai,
You made specific points in your post to which I tried to reply and discuss rationally with you, and tried to give you valid examples, but I see you have no intention of discussing, in every reply you have twisted my words, Got Personal, jested at my family, accused me of degrading the Prophet.
I still Thank you very much for your patience and tolerence in explaining things to me in such a courteous and Islamic Way. You sir the Model Muslim, May Allah Give you Sawab for imparting your knowledge.
Aejaz
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Right.
Ok, have a nice day