Can someone plz tell me as to why some people argue that the hijab is not obligatory upon women?
A non-muslim asked me why some people think the hijab is obligatory and others dont. I didnt know what to tell her.
Plz keep in mind im not asking you what your beliefs are on this matter…im simply asking for the opposing view.
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I dunno... i'm sick of how ppl act as if that's the one thing that will send you to heaven or hell... :(
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AE good question, I myself being a hajiaabi debate with it too. I start wearing hijaab 2 yrs ago. The reason was people around me influenced and I got to know the fact that actually it is obligatory.
Obligatory in a way that you are covering yourself from na mehram. Half of ur beauty hides away from soo many eyes out in the world. To be honest, after wearing hijaab i feel much comfortable and confident around people and yet people respect it too.
Im sorry AE, i really don't know how to break it down to u to answer your question.
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absolutely right. its not the ONLY thing that will send you to hell or heaven. Its just one of a good step towards your religion. 
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Alhamdulillah that is great. I myself believe that Hijab is obligatory upon us. I just want to know why others dont think so? 
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Well we should do whatever we can to get into heaven. Observing the hijab is one of those things we should do. However with that said, Allah (SWT) is the one that will judge us no one else and He alone can forgive us for our mistakes and shortcomings.
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see that depend on a person’s own beliefs and values. In my family, im the only one who does hijaab, not my mom nor my sis and they never forced upon me either, its just a decision that I made according to what i learned and understood about it.
Me and my fren used to work at a same jewish place. Funny thing, I was hijaban but my fren wasn’t. I was asked so many times that how come she is not even though she is muslim and I am. The only answer i was able to give is that even though it is obligatory, even though in hadith it has been mentioned that it is mandatory to cover urself up out in a world BUT some people do it and some people don’t. Its kind a analogous to how ppl made changes in bible, took verses out that they didn’t like and left some in there that suited them.
One thing for sure, hijab can’t be forced onto someone. Person need to understand and accept it from heart in that way you gain respect for what are you doing.
May Allah (s.w.t) guide all the muslim ummah to right path, ameen
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LQ, you would never know if thats the one thing which would tilt the balance that day. I wish we all live our lives in between hope of Allha's mercy and fear from his anger.
Now one can debate till the Qayamah on what me and you understand of the meaning of Hijab but its one of the good deeds mentioned in Quran.
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Like in the other thread about women going to heaven and hell, all the stuff she does for her baby, carrying it in her womb, breastfeeding etc etc will get all these awards and in fact if she dies during childbirth, she will be a shaheed, but then she’ll go to hell coz she wasnt doing purdah (which is somewat subjective) so i dunno, its very confusing… so wat if she didnt do hijab but died giving birth, do those two cancel out? That’s what i said in the toher thread, maybe coz im not positive about the concept of shaheed 
And i do think hijab is obligatory, i cant fool myself into thinking that covering wiht ur clothes is enough, but scarf is too…everything else is clear, modest clothing, behavior, actions etc, but its just the covering your hair that everyone debates on.. i felt ugly wearin it and i feel ugly not wearin it.. 
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if you feel ugly either way… then you really have nothing to lose by wearing it. Why not wear the hijab and please Allah (SWT)? Im sure that pleasing Him should make you feel good..dont u think?
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Angel Eyes, I'm going to post something for you, It may be long, but please do read it.
Why Women Should Wear the Veil?
Women throughout the world spend millions of Dollars on facial beauty.
Companies manufacturing 'beauty' products make a colossal figure in sales.
It would be nothing short saying that the products used on the face far
exceed other products. This in itself proves that humans are particularly
possessive of their looks - facial expression. People especially women take
great pride and time in making up their faces.
Allah Ta'ala has placed the beauty of man and woman in the face. Perhaps the
busiest part of the body is the face - used extensively in communication.
The face communicates the person's mood and facial expressions and expresses
the character and mannerism.
Because so much of identification is assembled by the face, least to mention
the beauty of women, Muslim women are required to hide away their beauty.
The veil forms part of their concealment.
The Noble Qur'an declares:
"Oh Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the
believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen
themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will
be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women so as not to
be annoyed." (Ahzaab 59)
Furthermore, the Noble Qur'an declares in Sura Nur verse 31, that the
believing women 'should not display their beauty and ornamentation' except
to their husbands and immediate family (Mahrams).
Allah Ta'ala says clearly that a woman's body should be covered by
loose-fitting, non-transparent clothing so that the shape of her body is not
revealed. The Hijaab hides the beauty of the woman's form.
No one can dispute that a woman's primary focus of beauty is her face.
Therefore, if Allah Ta'ala places so much of emphasis on hiding the beauty
of a woman's body, it's only logical that the centre of greater attraction -
the face - should without a doubt also be covered.
Referring to the wives (Radhiallaahu Anhunna) of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu
Alayhi Wasallam) warns the men:
"And when you ask (His ladies) for anything you want, ask them from behind a
curtain: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and theirs." (Ahzaab
33:53)
If Allah Ta'ala expects the prophet's wives to be so guarded then surely
none of the believing women can claim greater purity of heart and
consequently exemption from the directive to hide their beauty.
Hadhrat Aaisha (Radhiyallaahu Anha) says, '(during Hajj in the state of
Ihraam) when the male should walk in front of us while in the company of
Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), then we would drop our veils from
the head over the face.'
This Hadith emphatically shows the manner adopted by the honoured wives of
Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). They have exemplified an extremely
dignified way of life for the women of the Ummah.
Its simple.
Do you love the Prophet pbuh, you're a muslim?
If you answered no, don't bother reading on.,
If you answered Yes, Then that means you follow whatever he does and teaches.
He told his wife to screen from other men.
His wives (mother of ummah) screened from men.
You believe in his message, and adhere to it.
You cannot listen to the modern islamic movements, "women fighting for" "rights" w/e,. because they OPPOSE the Prophet's msg.
Since you love the Prophet pbuh, and TRUST him with this message.
ANd since his message is from Allah swt.
You do hijaab.
This is no different than a guy doing a beard.
Simple.
Salam
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but thats not my question...i already know that it is obligatory to wear the hijab...what i dont understand is why ppl debate it. Why do some people think it is not obligatory? i just want to know the opposing view.
but thanks for that post anyway.
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Ok, why they debate it.
I’ll number again, just cuz its easier to read.
First simple answer. Sheytaan.
Modernization of Islam.
People tend to think that Islam needs to change the teachings of the Prophet pbuh (and some to an extent to say the Quran) need to ADAPT to the society norms today.
Hijaab in today’s society is ‘oppressive’. Thats why its looked down upon. Why? because the west has labelled it oppressive and people get the notion now even in muslim countries that its oppressive.
With the constant bombardment on Muslims from the Movie industries and the western media, Muslim girls also dislike hijaab from the young age they start watching tv and see others not wearing it.
Also, with the openness of the intermingling of males and females made easy, women want to attract the opposite sex, and Hijaab is obviously not a tool for achieving their goals.
SO basically, those who do practice the HIjaab, deserve my utmost respect, and they also are Gems in front of Allah.
Why? Because the stick to Sunnah and by the words of Allah.
Does that answer it?
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Keeping all that in mind, you have to now understand, why the objection to hijaab arises.
Why there are so many organizations trying to fight hijaab.
Why muslim girls/women also are looking down upon it, and why they think its NOT necessary to practice hijaab in modern society.
I mean, think about it, they say, that not doing hijaab is ok in today's society because times have changed.
You tell me, do we need more hijaabs or not , in today's society?
Think about it for asecond...where girls roam in threads (literally), and rape, incest, adultery, divorce at paramount. Do we really NOT need hijaab?
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Cresent...yes it does...somewhat.
What i dont understand is how people can deny what is written in the Quran or Sunnah about the hijab? How do they justify it?
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Ok…its called Assimiliation.
Where ideologies are merged. Then forced down people’s throat until thats what they grow up believing in.
People can deny it easily…Sheytaan pees in their heads, they think of something, gather people, start some weird “fighting oppression” organization, they fight against hijaab, cuz hijaab is oppressive. And they try to interpret the Quran and Hadith in favour of them being against hijaab.
Like i said, you need scholars to interpret Quran and Sunnah, not avg joes. So one must require them.
Also scholars that have 2 things, Isnad (direct link to the Prophet pbuh in terms of teachers…) and Ijaza (permission from their teachers)
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honestly when people tell me that “times have changed” it sounds so absurd to me.
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they have…but the most beautiful thing about islam is.
Its something that can be implemented anywhere, in ANY time frame.
The PROBLEM is, people here crap, and do things on their own.
If they only studied and understood the sunnah. We would be more peaceful.
Sunnah **is **unity.
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AnGel Eyes,
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Can someone plz tell me as to why some people argue that the hijab is not obligatory upon women?
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Extremely sensitive question cause it represents not only a particular beilef or mindset, it also represent in today's world a form of rebellion against western values.
Hijab is of the eye (beauty is in the eyes of the beholder) as very clealrly defined in Quranic text which refers to both men and women. Gist of the message was of decency, modesty, dignity, propiety and above all respect for each other.
According to historians and religious scholars such as Karen Armstrong, Bernard Lewis, Dr Fazlur-Rehman (late), Fatimma Mehrinissi to name a few, Muslim world of the Prohpet did not exercize Hijab as practiced today. It was the Byzantine Christian's who practiced Hijab representing a status symbol where upper classes kept their women in cover projecting a symbol of superiority. When Muslims interacted with these people another 100years after the prophets passing, they too adopted these standards.
Quranic text which talks about Hijab or Jaluba refers to very particular situations and Holy Prophet's wives and daughters. There is a difference of opinion on interpertations of verses which relates to the subject of Jaluba, Yusuf Ali has a different explanation compared to other Tafaseers. Please do read Yusuf Ali's explanation.
Most Importantly, Quran talks of punishment for Mushriqeen, Adultery, non-believers, thieves, murderers etc etc. Nowhere does it use same language for women who do not cover themselves, yet Muslim Ulema have made this into a challenge comparable to the basic pillars of Islam, which it is certainly not.
One must keep inmind the time when message was delivered, it was a very tribalistic society with many problems. Not all problems were imediately resolved, it was a gradual process, even the message itself was delivered in a way and language which the people of that particular region could understand and comprehend.
One should focus on gist of the message.
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well for sunnis following sunna and hadith, covering up is required as crescent mentioned above
but those who believe only Quran as the true intact word of Allah, and hadith non reliable because of human interation in their writing, then hijab is not compulsory because it is not clearly defined in Quran…putting veil over ones body do not mean over ones head:)