no offense but just out of curiosity are u well read about Islam? because it seems to me that your knowledge is limited.
firstly? no one claims that hijab is a pillar of Islam. Muslims know very well that there are only 5 pillars of Islam. Just because hijab is not a pillar of islam doesnt mean it isnt obligatory upon us. The 5 pillars of Islam are just the bare minimum requirements that one must follow to be a muslim.
secondly…a black cover? who said a muslimah has to be put in a black cover?
hijabs come in many different shapes, sizes and colors.
anyway off topic!
Women are the ones to be “put in a black cover” as you put it, to keep their beauty hidden from men with lustful eyes. I’m sorry but how often do you see men getting raped by women?
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Originally Posted by fartguru Men and women both are supposed to lower their gaze, BUT do they? Try standing on a roadside in riyadh, Karachi, Lahore, Cairo, Abu Dhabi wearing proper attire not attracting attention and see how Muslim men lower their gaze. But has anything been done to implement that particular verse which req men to lower their gaze?Then why all the stress on putting women in a black cover and make it a pillar of Islam, when its not? Answer lies in our patriachel society.
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Men have been told to lower their gazes.
Women have been told to cover themselves.
If they do or do not, its on an individual basis. You can't force them. If they choose the path to heaven or hell, thats up to them.
The thing that we all agree here on is the commands are clear from Allah swt, as presented in the Quran and Sunnah.
im aware that women of other religions wear a headscarf..which by the way i barely see…but none of them wear the hijab the way the muslimah’s do. when you see a muslimah wear a hijab you know she is a muslim. you are aware that she isnt a catholic or jew.
as far as chinese muslims…i’ve seen some grow hairs on their chins. it may not be a full grown beard but it’s better than nothing.
sorry but men oogling at me and saying “i love you” with perv eyes, are not really the kind of attention i search when i put loose shalwar qameez and hijab:rolleyes: …still i get it:rolleyes: …while in western clothes…i don’t:D
well it is sad indeed but the reality of this world is that any young beautifull unaccompanied woman is seeing as a prey by perv men, and perv men are more attracted toward hijabi because they are know for their submissive character…and pervs like submissive women, while western proud and fearless women are just scaring them…so to keep perv men away, i scare them…
I have looked before and have not seen a single Quranic verse. I think that is the reason for debate. The Quranic verse specifically orders women to cover their chests, not their hair.
There are certainly Hadith that refer to covering the head, and we should follow Hadith; however Hadith are not protected by Allah SWT the way the Quran is, and therefore the Hadith are subject to human error and bias, and we must keep that in mind.
sahar…you have to understand quranic arabic to understand that particular verse. Also that verse is not completely straight forward. you have to take each word and break it down. This is where the scholars come in.
noor..it is said that men by nature lust over women. This is something that Islam acknowledges. Therefore, Men are ordered to lower their gazes and women are ordered to observe the proper hijab. Now you have mentioned your personal experience. What about the rest of the world? The majority of muslimah’s that wear hijab can tell you that their experience is the complete opposite from yours.
Ditto. EMM I also do it. And I started wearing Hijab 4 years ago, without any pressure. By my own will and because I found an Ayah in Quran regarding this issue.
where are these young ladies? are you the only one?, oh there is emm too and OMG…still noe of you live in europe:D
and where was your hijab on your pic in im2??
there is no justification to the fact that 4/5 of this world ain’t muslim, it is sad but true…I don’t live in lala land…I live in the world with all the challenges imposed by Allah and that includes living in a kaafir world (as far as i’m concerned). Intelligence is the faculty to adapt to any environment…so my dress code is not the same in paris and peshawar:D cause it is adapted to men stares…in order to protect me best
I live in Pakistan but I do a job as a teacher in a english medium school, which is somewhat modern. But I wear scarf during the job, even to the children. Because we have a few male colleges also.
When I was selected as a teacher, 6 months ago, the principal asked me to remove the scarf but I didnot. And still I am doing the job…
I will be the first to admit my knowledge is limited, no offence taken for the simple reason, we human beings have a limited time span thus a limited ability to read, comprehend and assimilate. Any claims otherwise will be ludicrous, afterall perfection is with Allah only.
Iam afraid u hv lost the discussion trail. Nowhere did I state or imply that Hijaab is is part of the 5 pillars, point being made was on the Muslim elites who have started to treating Hijaab as a fundamental piece of Islamic teachings.
Not everything has to be related with rape, if lowering of the gaze is being discussed it has to do more with modesty, mutual respect and maintaing decency.
All I can say here is u sud go out more, open your eyes or be willing to accept other ppls viewpoint who have probably seen much more than u have. Not seeing something does not qualify as a reasonable answer.
On the beard issue, that again was raised by u, here again objective was to highlight the difference in natural and man made beards. By your own admission, u hv seen orientals with beards on their chins, so does that qualify as a Muslim beard? Ever seen a Saudi beard? Its a French cut, compare that too a Afghanbi beard, comparable to a puritans beard. Doesnt get us anywhere.
Aren’t you the one emphasizing the Intentions (Niyaah)? For those who have that intention of a beard, not qualify them as following sunnah now? You need to be more clear.
Chinese, Greekonians, etc etc cannot grow on the side, they do have beard on the chins however! Please you get our more often
If you do study Islam, you will realize everything has fundamental value. Its necessary for a certain thing to be in order for other things to fall in place.
Hijaab is fundamental in many aspects as it allows for protection and numerous other things that can occur if it was not in practice.
first of all you dont know anything about me. so dont tell me 2 go out more often and open up my eyes. i accept other ppl’s view points and i nvr ridiculed you for sharing them on this forum…at least i nvr intended to…if it seems to you that i did than my deepest apologies.
going back to the beard issue. it’s all about one’s intention. the chinese guy with a few strands of hair on his chin is better than none at all. Once a man asked this imam is having a short beard better than not having a beard at all. the imam said “If a person has only 1 dollar, that is better than nothing, but what can you do with one dollar? You need more.”
I totally agree with your answer here Angel Eyes and would like to add on to it a little bit. Noor mentioned that we get attention while we wear hijaab because we look different. That is absolutely TRUE that after 9/11 we do attract more attention. I, myself when started to wear it, I faced a lot of attraction too. I was asked many questions too BUT religiously NOT sexually.
Noor, as Angel Eyes said that these two harrassments are not the same, so it is true. Subahanallah, even though I was working at jewish place, and they saw me b4 without hijaab and also when i actually start wearing hijaab, i was attacked by soo many eyes and questions But i faced them and answered them and fought them back BECAUSE it was ME who decided to wear hijaab and I knew how to fight for something that is Mine.
I don’t know whether i have mentioned this b4, but after wearing hijaab I was threatened to be killed and shot at my own work place. Did i get scared? Did I complain about it? Did i take any action against it? The answer is alhamdullilah I wasnt scared and I complained b/c was pressurized by my family
Also, wearing a hijaab has given me more self confidence and I feel more secure when I am around men. To be honest, guys respect you more. But then it also depends how u carry yourself with a hijab on. There are some hijabis that would go out clubbing with frens and tell themselves as liberate muslim…what do they get in return, TALKS. We get to hear talk that even though we r hijabis we r still digusting from inside. Just because of one person’s action we all get the bad label even though not all five fingers are the same.
Wearing hijaab is a HUGE responsibility in a matter of how u carry yourself out in WEST and Non-Islamic society because then they judge you and then start assuming same things for other hijaabis based on what they experienced form you (the hijaban). But that doesnt really mean that you just cut yourself off from society just to prove a point of that hijaabis are good. I go out with frens, I enjjoy my life both in school and outside school BUT i ALWAYS keep in mind that not to do something that would cause any kind of re-birth of statements against hijaabis and Muslims. As a muslims, I think it is our duty not to let any non-muslims to say bad things infront of you and even though If you do get to hear something, its our job to make an end to it.
Also, Noor you just pointed finger at AE saying in her pic she is not wearing hijaab…what kind a muslim sister are you that you are pointing at your own muslim sis and mocking at her. Yes, she opened this thread because she wants to know and she is indeed learning. So, please as a muslims we should be helping out not start poking into each other eyes for somethign that he/she is trying to learn.
I can’t tell you how to dress..