Must be someone who reads bismillah before eating pork chops. lol
Well, if they carry out such marriages knowingly (as in knowing the guy is non-Muslim), then that's an imam I wouldn't want to pray behind.
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as if urging more conviction is contrary to a discussion, come'on lets have broad mindedness. we are worshippers, submitters, prideless people or aim to be
@shardmanny your words are very touching. but it only made me cringe inside more of why my mother never stood up for me, or anything for that matter. i don't know if i am in a position to be forgiving someone because the situation seems more like the entire lot on the other side is expecting an apology. i dont even feel that they care. whoever said that the whole world can be hating, but not your own mother.
@aramis and @zobia ... people like you are these reason why the society is so closed up and jumping to excommunicate anyone and everyone. as for you zobia, if the God that we worship is proud of your arrogance to so positively state that you will inshallah be "smiling on me" on the day of judgement ... hmm .. then i need to rethink if your and my God are the same! and just FYI christians were in their "trinity" mode already when Islam came, so then i dont understand why God made them (the mushriks according to you) halal for men, when the mushirkeen are clearly forbidden to both muslim men and women accoring to verse 2:221! And why even today some mullah forbid men to not marry ahl-kitab on the basis of the fact that the ahl-kitab are not the same as they were in old days, when that is clearly not the case.
@Deeba i am so confused with the behavior of the community vs what i understand from the Quran .. and also as you have written it. i can understand why it would be discouraged, but an absolute NO sounds not in sync.
@goodnews i think you are speaking good news, but i am sorry i couldnt really read through such thick urdu. :(
@namaan i am looking for peace of mind.
@khan i dont know. it didnt come across as fundamentalist when i planned on registering. i guess i was wrong. real life or virtual, my community will largely be on an auto-purification mode. kicking out anyone they dont like and declaring them apostate.
@clad deeba has answered you, i need not repeat.
@fatspartan yup. i am not in a self-created issue.
@hareem actually, i came across a study that revealed 79% of the kids from an inter-faith marriage where the mother is a muslim, will be muslim, while only 57% are muslim in case the father is muslim. this is from 1990. and then in 2000: 61.9% of the kids were muslim where the mother was muslim, and only 13% muslim where the father
was muslim. this research was done by a lecturer on sharia from the far-east.
so in this light, the claims that for the sake of the children such marriages are deemed haram, are falsified. statistics reveal reality, not assumptions.
@sehrysha @deen the fact that we are not allowed to question and debate is the reason why muslims are in absolute blind faith. even if they do debate, they base arguments on predefined 10th century tasfeers, which automatically closes any doors for modern re-evalauations. and i agree with deeba, that if the subject GODFORBID is a woman, then there is even more severe lack of debate, while other subjects like ecnomics and food and the lot are practiced with much leniency and nobody is flogged.
comparing pork chops to the issues of marriage. interesting.
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In Islam, the children inherit their religion from their fathers. In other religions though, it is inherited thru the mother.
If the Koran does not forbid Muslim women to marry a man "of the book" AND the man agrees to raise the children as Muslims then it shouldnt be an issue yeah? So...husband is christian and likes his bacon so he goes out and has it at a diner. If he wants to have a beer or 2,he does this outside of the home. When there is love, understanding and acceptance, you'd be really amazed at cultural and religious differences that can be overcome and handled with success.
@fatspartan yup. i am not in a self-created issue.
I don't remember saying you were.
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as a christian can he even do the nikkah that muslim must do? but nice womens magazine type liberalism anyway mumof3 (works with all cultures doesnt it :) or it appears to!)
In Islam, the children inherit their religion from their fathers. In other religions though, it is inherited thru the mother.
This is the first time I've heard something like this. I've always believed that someone's religion (children or otherwise) depends more on what they believe and follow regardless of what their parents are.
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emaanw the thread has now deviated from your opening post, the comments are now more political in nature, rather then aimed at helping you
secondly its clear you have changed your nick recently, but are still afflicted by the same issues. i suggest you go to life subforum and, for a minute, not concentrate on the religious aspect directly, just write down what problems you had with your familly. he said, you said, this happend, that happend and so on.
@hareem actually, i came across a study that revealed 79% of the kids from an inter-faith marriage where the mother is a muslim, will be muslim, while only 57% are muslim in case the father is muslim. this is from 1990. and then in 2000: 61.9% of the kids were muslim where the mother was muslim, and only 13% muslim where the father was muslim. this research was done by a lecturer on sharia from the far-east. so in this light, the claims that for the sake of the children such marriages are deemed haram, are falsified. statistics reveal reality, not assumptions.
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Some studies show that pork is good for you too.
Anyway, I'd really like to know this scholar's name and his works btw.
Also, you don't need to have an imam for your marriage, a friend might be able to do it.
In Islam, the children inherit their religion from their fathers. In other religions though, it is inherited thru the mother.
If the Koran does not forbid Muslim women to marry a man "of the book" AND the man agrees to raise the children as Muslims then it shouldnt be an issue yeah? So...husband is christian and likes his bacon so he goes out and has it at a diner. If he wants to have a beer or 2,he does this outside of the home. When there is love, understanding and acceptance, you'd be really amazed at cultural and religious differences that can be overcome and handled with success.
Well, it does so the rest don't really matter regardless that some of these marriages are quite successful.
First of all please quote a verse of QURAN that allows Muslim women to marry a non Muslim men
as for Men " *you can marry a non Muslim but your wife needs to convert in 6 months if she don't men will have to divorce her * !!!
Is this a verse from Quran???if yes Which Sorah is this and Sipara you found this Aiyat???
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@Mamaof3 it's amazing how human capabilities are so under-rated, and the ulema think we will function properly only under strict guidelines
@fatspartan nope, i didnt say it before ... but reading such absolute statements, and people telling me i will be going to hell gives me a reaffirmation that i am not in a self-created issue. my feelings are legitimate.
@fatspartan nope, i didnt say it before ... but reading such absolute statements, and people telling me i will be going to hell gives me a reaffirmation that i am not in a self-created issue. my feelings are legitimate.
You lost me there. Anyhow, I've just stated what my stance is on the issue of a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim man. I'm not saying anything about your personal situation.
@Mamaof3 it's amazing how human capabilities are so under-rated, and the ulema think we will function properly only under strict guidelines
@fatspartan nope, i didnt say it before ... but reading such absolute statements, and people telling me i will be going to hell gives me a reaffirmation that i am not in a self-created issue. my feelings are legitimate.
Strict or not strict, these are only guidelines. You have the power to choose and no human has the right to stop you from it.
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@shardmanny changed my nick? it's the same, emaanW .. ... yes the posts have become more political in nature ... but my story is quite long too ... i dont know if i want to post the whole "drama" here ... what i would like people to talk about though is ... how do you treat someone (a woman) who has married outside of religion or has a committed relationship with a non-muslim man? is her action really so bad that she should face physical abuse from her parents, have the community talk ill of her? is she really not a muslim anymore, and does this really break all relationships? i didnt come here to post my story and receive sympathy or be told what a bad muslim i am. i just want to know what people think about it and have a discussion over it without the burden of knowing faces.
but just to tell a bit. i had a relationship with a non-muslim man when i was younger. faced a lot of physical and verbal abuse at the hands of my father. some cousins went all weird on me. life became more strict. it was quite a traumatic experience. later i tried to be with a muslim man ... but what happened with him , i dont want to go in any detail, but it totally ****ed me up ... more crap from home. they tried fixing me up in a marriage with a guy from islamabad. wow! and they thought he was gem! i admit all this did turn me rebellious in the sense that i would deliberately provoke them at times by coming home later than the curfew, have a white guy drop me home, etc. but it just ended up getting messier and messier. and now a few months ago i left home. i am living by myself. they dont want to hear from me, and i dont want to be in that house again.
@hareem search for "the empirical facts of interfaith marriage" ... as for pork, it is also proven that pigs have a realy fast digestive system as compared to other animals .. and because of this toxins that should be relased are not relased and stay in it's body and end up in the meat. and this was proven by christians, and many christian preachers talk about it.
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Well, I don't know her and there's not much informatin on her on internet either.....anyway thanks. I hope God gives tawfiq to other Christians who love pork to listen to their scholars and give us tawfiq to listen to our scholars.
As for your question, I'm against any type of abuse but I wouldn't keep any relation with a muslim woman who married a non muslim unless he accepts islam.
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its clear from OP’s story that she is rebilious hence looking for all excuses to support her wrong stance. look she has left her home 
. useless to talk to such person untill she has calmed down.
Regarding the first bit in bold that is not how halal and haram works.. unless something is declared haram we don't have the right to call it so and so far no-one seems to have been able to provide any clear evidence from the Qur'an that a woman marrying a man 'of the book' is absolutely forbidden, only that Muslim men have been given express permission whilst there seems to be no mention of it for our women. Like I said before, I'm not for or against but I do see a problem in terms of the way a lot of ppl are trying to say a complete 'no' to it with no Qur'anic verse to back up what they're saying.
The second bit in bold simply isn't true, don't know who told you that..
Listen mate !!!
I know how halal and haram works can you not read I never called IT haram to marry a non muslim men !!!!!!
secondly if you are from a group who dont belive in a hadith ai rasool then you need to discuss it with me in private.
You said its not true may be its not what you wanted to hear and the best way to satisfy your self is deny it.
For your kind information there is a book written in Arabic called Hayat ai sahaba
It is in there I will give you the page number and refrences.
once again if you are from munkireen ai hadith talk to me in private may be I learn something from you
Is this a verse from Quran???if yes Which Sorah is this and Sipara you found this Aiyat???
sweet heart its a fatwa from Shaikh Sudais !!!!
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@hareem just because you dont know the person doesnt disqualify any data or study.
but do you think your attitude is based upon the teachings of your religion (excommunicate those who dont ENTIRELY follow islam), or because that's what you've involuntarily inherited from your community ... by attitude i point at you saying you wouldnt keep any relationship with a muslim woman who is in relationship with a non-muslim man. why would you do that? does this act make me any different of a person than if i was not with a non-muslim man? do you also not keep any relationship, even of friendship, with any non-muslim man or woman? what if i was your sister? what justifies your cold behavior with people in this situation?
do you behave the same way with people who "break" other islamic laws? do you also not keep a relationship with women who do not wear a hijab? or with a "so-called" muslim couple who arent very cautious with their religious following?
awwwwww … how cute!