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yes i know a majority of pakistanis hate the united states. really it's not a surprise.
but what seems very very scary is that i read an article where an overwhelming majority of pakistanis feel that it wouldn't be so bad for their country if taliban regained control over afghanistan. i don't understand the reasoning behind that.
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hasn't the united states given war planes to pakistan, taking it's nukes doesn't seem practical, we aren't in kindergarten here
You may be not in KG but Israelis are.
would china sit by idle if the US was to do something as drastic as destabilizing pakistan, don't think it wants another war with another nuclear power like china right?
What will China do when 'world' is watching how Taliban (TTP) are causing so much trouble in Pakistan? World is being told that 'we are fighting these daym terrorists'. Destabilized Pakistan achieves what kakaballi said in an above post, of course 'world' wouldn't want it but did it matter in case of Iraq invasion?
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yes i know a majority of pakistanis hate the united states. really it's not a surprise.
but what seems very very scary is that i read an article where an overwhelming majority of pakistanis feel that it wouldn't be so bad for their country if taliban regained control over afghanistan. i don't understand the reasoning behind that.
simple answer is that, look behind, when taliban were in control (no matter if it was full or partial) it wasn't as bad as it became after america ousted them. no suicide bombings, no drones, no target killings (at least not as much as these days), no burning nato trailers damaging roads, no RADs... and no trouble in our western borders, in fact they were like a border force on pakistan's western border for pakistan's own safety...
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when taliban were in control (no matter if it was full or partial) it wasn't as bad as it became after america ousted them
Maybe not as bad for Pakistan, but ask the Afghans if they think that they were better off under Taliban.
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Maybe not as bad for Pakistan, but ask the Afghans if they think that they were better off under Taliban.
Depends on which Afghans you ask ;)
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Depends on which Afghans you ask ;)
I meant the common man :)
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I am not surprised at all that CIA is funding the Taliban in Pakistan. Those who have any doubts on the capabilities of CIA have a very short term memory. If you recall, CIA carried out terrorist attacks on USA soil in the 60's and blamed it on Cuba in order to gain public support for attacking Cuba. This was called Operation Northwoods. What's happening in Pakistan is no doubt a modern day operation northwoods. This is only coming to the surface now coz one stupid CIA agent F#$#ed up, but there are 100s of other agents who were authorized to be in Pakistan during Musharaf's era.
Thanks you ass#$# musharaff. you REALLY f#$#ed up our country. how do you sleep at night??
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why not boycott all US made products of any kind including beauty/grooming/sunblock/food items/everything, don't go to the MacDonalds, kfc or starbucks, i'm pretty sure there's one in your city somewhere. that's the best way to show your utter disgust rather than call all americans dogs or other insults.
first of all we don't know the whole story here, the issue is unfolding at the present time....why can't we wait and see what exactly happened. right now it doesn't make sense why the cia would recruit for the pak taliban?
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This is only coming to the surface now coz one stupid CIA agent F#$#ed up, but there are 100s of other agents who were authorized to be in Pakistan during Musharaf's era.
Thanks you ass#$# musharaff. you REALLY f#$#ed up our country. how do you sleep at night??
Musharraf is having some sleep abroad, how about our current dear govt? In case you didn't read related articles few hundred (if not thousand) were given Pakistani visa in last 2-3 years (when Musharraf was history already).
why not boycott all US made products of any kind including beauty/grooming/sunblock/food items/everything, don't go to the MacDonalds, kfc or starbucks, i'm pretty sure there's one in your city somewhere. that's the best way to show your utter disgust rather than call all americans dogs or other insults.
first of all we don't know the whole story here, the issue is unfolding at the present time....why can't we wait and see what exactly happened. right now it doesn't make sense why the cia would recruit for the pak taliban?
You have a lot to catch up before you can begin to understand operation Taliban Pakistan.
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whatever dude.. well i only talk in kaka level to match the person i am talking to.
Without being biased, you have been crushed in this thread so stop being over smart :-)
I simply can't understand your childish argument here, just admit that the Raymond Daymond guy wasn't really on peace mission in Pakistan, even Americans have admitted he is a CIA agent. When this incident took place, i really thought some idiots saw a foriegner and decided to attack him for some money but it's clearly not the case here.
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sirji i have heard actual pakistanis in pakistan saying that the afghan talibs are the good guys to them b/c they are fighting america and the pakistani talibs are the bad guys.
and now you’re saying that these pakistani talibs are being supported by the CIA and the US government too. can you show me some neutral, reliable sources that have proof of this please.
can you please provide a source that is neutral and reliable that has this same info about the cia agent recruiting for the pak talibs please b/c i couldn’t find any, the only ones i found were pakistani sources.
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sirji i have heard actual pakistanis in pakistan saying that the afghan talibs are the good guys to them b/c they are fighting america and the pakistani talibs are the bad guys.
and now you're saying that these pakistani talibs are being supported by the CIA and the US government too. can you show me some neutral, reliable sources that have proof of this please.
Until Davis was captured, would you have believed of US spies in name of diplomats/contractors roaming around in Pakistan talking to Pakistani Taliban?
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Until Davis was captured, would you have believed of US spies in name of diplomats/contractors roaming around in Pakistan talking to Pakistani Taliban?
i told you i'm not surprised that he was a cia agent so yes i would've, i also remember saying that the cia isn't a saintly organization looking at some of the stuff it's done in the past, it's not totally unbelievable but what this article is inferring is pretty big and i need more than just pakistani sources to believe that the whole cia agency is involved in recruiting for pak taliban and that it's not just this one stray agent that's gotten his hands dirty by dabbling in unapproved corrupt activities
not saying i don't believe pakistani sources but i need other neutral reliable sources saying the same stuff to believe something this big.
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^ If it were 'one stray agent', Obama and Clinton would not be THIS anxious to get him out.
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^ If it were 'one stray agent', Obama and Clinton would not be THIS anxious to get him out.
he's an american citizen at the end of the day, so he'll have the protection of the american government just until more is uncovered about this issue.
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i told you i'm not surprised that he was a cia agent so yes i would've, i also remember saying that the cia isn't a saintly organization looking at some of the stuff it's done in the past, it's not totally unbelievable but what this article is inferring is pretty big and i need more than just pakistani sources to believe that the whole cia agency is involved in recruiting for pak taliban and that it's not just this one stray agent that's gotten his hands dirty by dabbling in unapproved corrupt activities
not saying i don't believe pakistani sources but i need other neutral reliable sources saying the same stuff to believe something this big.
For how many "current" covert operations are you able to find out facts stated by various media around the globe?
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For how many "current" covert operations are you able to find out facts stated by various media around the globe?
imagine something similar had happened in new york city, an isi agent was found killing two americans, the wife of one american commits suicide, yet it would be seen as some big terror attack and the lives of muslim americans might be in danger looking at how the whole ground zero community center issue was totally blown out of proportion, but i'm pretty sure pakistanis will doubt that he was an isi agent and that isi was involved in any way, and would ask for more proof.....there was a similar scenario painted in another article
all i'm asking for is more proof that the entire cia agency is involved in this ordeal, it isn't too much to ask for other reliable sources reporting the same news is it?
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can you please provide a source that is neutral and reliable that has this same info about the cia agent recruiting for the pak talibs please b/c i couldn't find any, the only ones i found were pakistani sources.
When the New York Times, Washington Post and Associated Press withhold information at the behest of the US government not a single western source is neutral.
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When the New York Times, Washington Post and Associated Press withhold information at the behest of the US government not a single western source is neutral.
when did i say that american sources only represent western or reliable, american sources wouldn't be neutral...relating to this issue, i feel like they wouldn't be neutral, hope that makes sense
give me bbc or any other nonpakistani source(b/c all the ones i found with this same news were only pakistani sources) that is reliable with this news of cia recruiting for pak taliban
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Nisha quick question why isn't it reliable? To date everything they have said about Raymond Davis has been correct. Stuff EU and US newspapers have now corroborated.