Davis recruiting for TTP

kakaballi · February 23, 2011, 6:05am

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Provide fuel for domestic defense industry, which dictates most of the foreign policy
Calming Israeli nerves.
Lubricating the war economy
Taking out Pakistan's nukes
Have an excuse to stay in the region and keep an eye on China
Restrict China from accessing the Arabian Sea
Have a presence in the region to move into Iran, if needed

A few young soldiers killed is not much of an issue for the Neocons.

kaka_in_usa · February 23, 2011, 6:18am

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I was gonna reply to you but then i realized you have already got punished by gods by giving brains of size of peanut.

CM · February 23, 2011, 6:49am

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And this is being created by the US media. They after all said he is in fact a CIA spy. So what does this have to do with the Pakistani media?

kaka_in_usa · February 23, 2011, 7:33am

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^^ Pakistani media is taking the lead from US media. US media is legitimizing their claims hence everyone is chest thumping on that. that way it is taking the attention away from the other real and more important issues that would have been uncovered in the process.
ISI is leaking selective information in the press to make the whole issue to seem like according to their wishes.
but still i say, ray da will eventually go home denting american interests in the region like never before.

Aceones · February 23, 2011, 8:08am

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^ so whats your point kaka, let met put my questions in bullets..

Pakistani Media should not report that he's a cia spy?
Because eventually RAD has to go home, we should just let him go without any trial?
ISI should tell you each and everything and become like what they say "sab bata doon, haath paon katwadoon"??
US media is doing good job? by first hiding that he was a cpy and a terrorist supporter, and now when isi had already blown up his cover, they came out in open accepting that they knew he was spy but just had to hide it because US govt asked them to?
because there are "other real issues" in the country, pakistan should let every tom dick and harry to pump fuel in terrorism and support terrorists like TTP and we should not question it?

so after all whats your point? no matter what, some people will always be on the wrong side when its about pakistan's interests.

kaka_in_usa · February 23, 2011, 8:36am

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Aceones:

^ so whats your point kaka, let met put my questions in bullets..

Pakistani Media should not report that he's a cia spy?

Investigative journalism and independent unbiased reporting is the key. sadly it is not a forte of pak media. Every channel is running its own agenda. They need to bring out the facts without any perjudices and based on facts they should try to build a public opinion against the secret agreement between usa and pak. they are all focusing on rayda and the two victims which are sadly irrelevent at the moment.

Because eventually RAD has to go home, we should just let him go without any trial?

Trial or no trial is irrelevent like i said. It is the bigger picture that matters at the moment. even if there is a trial he will go scot free as he got a strong case . i want the law to be upheld. it sould not come under pressure from pak right wing or amerika.

ISI should tell you each and everything and become like what they say "sab bata doon, haath paon katwadoon"??

well i am all ears if they want to.

US media is doing good job? by first hiding that he was a cpy and a terrorist supporter, and now when isi had already blown up his cover, they came out in open accepting that they knew he was spy but just had to hide it because US govt asked them to?

US media is doing what US media does. btw they didnt hide that he was a spy, there is a difference between US media and US govt. also ISI didnt blow his cover, he blew his cover himself by killing two bikers. Infact it was a US politician who gave hint that rayda is a spy.

because there are "other real issues" in the country, pakistan should let every tom dick and harry to pump fuel in terrorism and support terrorists like TTP and we should not question it?

There is no proof of that, so i am not gonna comment on rumors. but no pakistan should not let "anyone" to fuel terrorism in its territory.

so after all whats your point? no matter what, some people will always be on the wrong side when its about pakistan's interests.

My point is, there is lot more going on than that meets the eyes. so dont jump on the conclusion so fast. lets wait and see what else "they" collectively want us to know.

CM · February 23, 2011, 8:39am

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For gods sake Kaka the New York times and Associated press with held information that he was a CIA spy for more than a month at the request of the US government. The Pakistani Media would never do that!

CIA spies are not allocated diplomatic immunity. He has no case.

kaka_in_usa · February 23, 2011, 8:50am

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CM: Didnt american politician ( i forgot his name) said in first few days that raymond davis is not his real name. what does that mean? there were more hints dropped by the Americans, Pakistanis knew it but didnt tell it to their people too.

Being a spy doesnt affect your diplomatic immunity if you have one.
America dont want to go to court where he will be let go for defending hemself anyways , rather they want govt to let him go so the same benchmark can be followed for rest of the raymond daviss.

Aceones · February 23, 2011, 9:17am

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they did bring out the fact, and actually they did it soon after the incident... it was the western media which was running its own agenda by making total black out on the issue and by not reporting or giving enough coverage. just compare the magnitude of reporting on this issue in western media, and then think about it, that US president himself had to speak directly for a killer, and he himself had to pressurize Pakistan to release him, their secretary of state called pakistan several times for this man, one of their most influential figures in foreign affairs in current govt, that is mr kerry, had to fly to pakistan in hurry only for this case, and yet there was no real reporting in western media. this is whats called running their own agenda... BUT of course just like the haired guns, there are some paid/ hired * intellectuals, journalists, anchors and analysts* in pakistani media who tried their best to save their masters dog, but they failed miserably

you failed to answer clearly. on one hand you say "trial or no trial is irrelevant", and "its the bigger picture that matters" while on the other hand you say "i want the law to be upheld". so how the law is going to be upheld without a trial?

you wish : p

oh plz, they didnt hide that he was a spy??? try again

call records? pictures from his digicam? hi-tech gadgets used for spying, a head cover which is used at the time when someone is hanged, fake number plate, illegal arms, and "craving for naswaar" are no proofs for you and they are all rumors??? and the fact that the other car reached the scene within 5 minutes, while it takes more than 45 minutes to reach there from embassy, and the fact one of the motorcyclists was actually running away from this man, in the opposite direction of his car, and rad did shoot him through the rear screen of his car, these are all rumors??? you are funny

and my point is... come out of this habit of praising and defending everything that white man doe's, and hatting everything that pakistan does, and think with your own little brain, don't make a joke of yourself

Aceones · February 23, 2011, 9:20am

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to say something like what you said (the bold part) one either must be high one something, or be disconnected from whats really happening, and what the investigations have revealed.

so by the way, why america doesnt want to go to court when she knows that he will be let go???? if they know they have a strong case? why not? care to explain? makes no scene...

kaka_in_usa · February 23, 2011, 9:29am

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All the eye witness said that they were robbers so did a senior police officer. Even if they werent robbers they certainly had guns drawn out, it may be wrong threat perception on the part of raymond davis as he acted accordingly.

comeon, dont be so naive, it is a well known fact that america dont want to go to the court. it is not about davis, it is about scores of others like him. whatever is the outcome of this incident will be a road map for the others. america wants to only deal with the govt not the judiciary.
this is the 100th time i am explaining it.

CM · February 23, 2011, 9:33am

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No. No US politician has spoken on the matter. It was ABC said that he was a private security contractor. Reuters broke the news he was a former special forces guy. And the Guardian broke the news he was CIA spy.

NYT, WP and AP all kept quiet at the request of the US government.

kaka_in_usa · February 23, 2011, 9:44am

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Aceones:

they did bring out the fact, and actually they did it soon after the incident... it was the western media which was running its own agenda by making total black out on the issue and by not reporting or giving enough coverage. just compare the magnitude of reporting on this issue in western media, and then think about it, that US president himself had to speak directly for a killer, and he himself had to pressurize Pakistan to release him, their secretary of state called pakistan several times for this man, one of their most influential figures in foreign affairs in current govt, that is mr kerry, had to fly to pakistan in hurry only for this case, and yet there was no real reporting in western media. this is whats called running their own agenda... BUT of course just like the haired guns, there are some paid/ hired * intellectuals, journalists, anchors and analysts* in pakistani media who tried their best to save their masters dog, but they failed miserably

you failed to answer clearly. on one hand you say "trial or no trial is irrelevant", and "its the bigger picture that matters" while on the other hand you say "i want the law to be upheld". so how the law is going to be upheld without a trial? When i said the law must be upheld then i mean if he has 'diplomatic' immunity then pak should act accordingly the options available, if he killed in self defence and case goes in court then without bringing american hatred in the picture and judge accordingly, and if he is found to be a lunatic killer who killed for no reason then he should be sentenced accordingly. whats wrong with it. i answered everything, u fail to understand it.

you wish : p

oh plz, they didnt hide that he was a spy??? try again ** hide from who? pakistan already knew it and ISI knew about him as well. BTW i dont believe he is a spy. he is on some non spying mission known to the govt of pak.**

call records? pictures from his digicam? hi-tech gadgets used for spying, a head cover which is used at the time when someone is hanged, fake number plate, illegal arms, and "craving for naswaar" are no proofs for you and they are all rumors??? and the fact that the other car reached the scene within 5 minutes, while it takes more than 45 minutes to reach there from embassy, and the fact one of the motorcyclists was actually running away from this man, in the opposite direction of his car, and rad did shoot him through the rear screen of his car, these are all rumors??? you are funny

thanks. truth is always funny to people who dont want to accept it.

and my point is... come out of this habit of praising and defending everything that white man doe's, and hatting everything that pakistan does, and think with your own little brain, don't make a joke of yourself

your point taken but rejected. i didnt praise ray da. its your unhealty attraction to him that makes you blind. you need to come out of your victim mentality and smell the coffee and see the reality. i wish you have a 'little' brain for it.

kaka_in_usa · February 23, 2011, 9:49am

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http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2011/01/155402.htm

btw like i said before, i dont believe his is a simple spy. he was in knowledge and approval of pakistan. he stepped out of his line and he got in trouble. purely my opinion.

Aceones · February 23, 2011, 9:59am

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lolz, some people are still holding on that he's a diplomat

kaka, i give up, the fact that you are a "kaka" "in usa" goes well with whatever you've been saying on this forum...

and by the way, nobody is saying he's a "simple spy"... that's just a "comparatively civil" term for whatever he has been doing in Pakistan... a mercenary/ hired gun is what he is.

Nisha25 · February 23, 2011, 12:09pm

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since it already has the headache of afghanistan and iraq(already having a major presence in the region), lubricating the war economy even further really doesn't make sense nor does the excuse to stay in the region nor moving into yet another country especially one like iran, it just doesn't make sense, i don't think a destabalized pakistan is something the united states wants nor india and i'm pretty sure the whole world wouldn't want. it would cause havoc

hasn't the united states given war planes to pakistan, taking it's nukes doesn't seem practical, we aren't in kindergarten here

would china sit by idle if the US was to do something as drastic as destabilizing pakistan, don't think it wants another war with another nuclear power like china right?

kaka_in_usa · February 23, 2011, 12:39pm

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whatever dude..
well i only talk in kaka level to match the person i am talking to.

Ali_Syed · February 23, 2011, 12:54pm

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Thanks for posting the links, this is what many people of the forum have been saying all along but there are some people who have their heads in the sand, who wont believe anything against their god (USA)

Nisha25 · February 23, 2011, 1:30pm

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^watch the movie "the company" and there are so many articles on the Cia's botched up missions in quite a few countries including china.......

kakaballi · February 23, 2011, 1:34pm

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^ and USA is supposed to be helping all those countries or attempting espionage?