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looking at it from a religious perspective its quite clear that its wrong, dont make the mistake of trying to justify it by labelling it as modernism, roshan khiyali, progressiveness etc.
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thts enough for me to judge some1 who does dance parties in a country like pak.... so dont make fool of urself or u r following typical human habit to satisfy ur heart
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idiot maulla, go back to the mosque.
pakistan is a country not a religon, if you want to look at it from a religous point of view then do it but dnt tell others fool
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[quote=KashmiriRainDrops]
[quote=Fret Wizard]
Why shouldn't modernism exist in Muslim countries? Do you want them to stay in the middle ages forever?
**You must be joking right? The western world is the safest place for women as it stands right now. Women feel safe to walk freely at anytime of day, without feeling scared of people pinching their bottoms at the marketplace, or singing to them as they walk by, or kidnapping them in broad daylight. Please tell me you were joking with that comment above.
What would you rather do, have women locked up in the house, while men go to to work?**/QUOTE]
Just my two cents, Its not true that women walk safely in the Western world. What western world are you living in? If you are from the USA, go check out the stats on women abuse and rape in the USA, you will notice its more than most muslim countries put together.
That does not mean that the Muslim world is perfect and does not have problems, just dont idealize a group of nations which do not deserve to be idealized in this topic.
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Disagree! There are much more cases of rape and abuse in Muslim countries. It’s just that most of the women do not inform the authorities about it, because the legal system will probably blame the woman! In the west, most of the time, the rapes are reported, and proper action is taken. The fact still remains that the west is a million times more safer for women than the east.
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Sir, if i am a fool for being non-judgemental then go ahead think that in ur head. But u r being an even bigger fool, for assuming and making negative comments about ppl outside of Pakistan. Some of us abroad, r a lot more cultured than u may have knowledge of. I'll just leave u with a quote to dwell on...by Mother Tereasa: If u judge ppl, u have no time to love them...now i hardly expect u to "love" these partygoers...but at least stop judging them, that's God's job...and that, is not the nature of a "typical human habit to satisfy ur heart"...that is, as far as i know, something up high on the list of a muslim's duties...don't judge, it will take u far.
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Oh and if ur so "pakistani" and not a "useless, confused muslim" etc., then y the judgements in the first place? U r taking this off-topic, which i rather not get into with u, as u don't seem to have an open mind nor a kind heart at all. I haven't ever been to a dance party in my life (and i have spent my entire life abroad)...but do i look down on my peers who do go out and party? No, absolutely not...and besides, it's wot u do there that can be wrong...but wotever, it's senseless talking to someone who is being ignorant.
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I have to agree with KashmiriRainDrops. We has humans have no right to judge anyone. Who knows, some of those "Dancers" at the party may very well be better human beings that those who are judging them.
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the thread is about a ‘dance party’ in pakistan, all ive done is look at it from a religious angle and you’ve labelled me a fool for that? ive not said anything about pakistan, you’ve got ur wires crossed bro(i presume).
‘dnt tell others’ what do u mean by that? everyones got their own opinion, gotta respect one and all 
by the way im not a maulla!
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i agree with u fret, the west is safer for a woman to walk down the street, but dont underestimate the number of rapes that go unreported in the west, here in the uk some ppl have stated that as much as 80% of rapes go unreported!! quite alarming that if you think about it, at least with DNA advancements in the past few years conviction rates should improve!
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rapes are everywere, but the fact is the west still is safe for a women to walk down the street and many do.
compare this with pak, were girls of 20 odd years are afraid of walking to college.
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We as humans have no rights to judge -- true
We as Muslims have the full right to stop other muslims from doing wrong as well. :P .... Oh OH HERE WE GO AGAIN FRETZ! :P
Fretz you must be living on your bed cause you dont move around much. USofA has the highest crime rates from murders to rapes to you name it reason being high population and that beats the record of any other countries around the world, hence, you proving a point just went down the drain.
You proving the fact that people should have the right to dance or do what ever they want is 'Haram'; Islam does not mean to just go and pray to your Allah and our Prophet but it also means the guide yourself and others the right way, Not to indulge the wrong. Like i said you light up a match stick today tomorrow you will light up the whole forest. So why bother destroying your future generation when you know the in future they'll corrupt themselves. Human is bound to error.
Those who disagree with Sharia then disagree from what our prophet has said, which means you are not a Muslim. Period. :) Note the last few words. Emphasize yourself and whats around you. Get out of that cloud that your on and come back to Earth :P Face reality. Face it in the vision of Islam and not selfishness, and worldly pleasure.
'Son, if you are able, keep your heart from morning till night and from night till morning free from malice towards anyone.' Then the Prophet said: 'O my son! This is one of my laws, and he, who loves my laws verily loves me.' " (Bukhari)
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Right, the USA of A might have the highest crime rates in the world, BUT, do you hear women saying “I’m so afraid to walk to college this morning”? The fact is, women in North America do NOT get harassed while walking, shopping, or eating out, as compared to women in Muslim countries. You talk about the US, ever been to Canada, where the crime rates practically nill? What world are you living in, or what drugs are you taking by saying Muslim countries are safer for women? It may safer, if they’re locked up in their home all the time.
The reason for Muslim women being harassed all the time in the East is solely due to the fact that it’s such a “Taboo” to interect with members of the opposite sex. In the rest of the world, it’s not a big deal, so nobody gives a damn, and women on the most part don’t get harassed. That’s why I encourage the interaction between the sexes. I think it’s great that these people are dancing and having a good time, and interacting with each other. I for one am not going to judge their character based on that, because I don’t know them
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FW,u know wht...u r one another typical westernized american shifted paki who thinks tht everything in muslims countries is bad..so ur comments dont have any weight wht so eva...how much respect women in west can be easily judge from those millions of xxx movies and adult sites from western countries..
it is horribly wrong to say tht women r not respected in muslims countries...so betta remain silent....although westernization and indian culture r corrupting the new generation,still there r plenty who love their culture and religion
kashmirirain drops,it was my mistake tht i replied to u..ur posts r enough to me ur circle of thinking..
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First of all, I’m not American. Secondly, where did I say everything in Muslim countries is bad, and that women are not respected in Muslim countries? However, nobody can seem to answer the simple question, why are Pakistani women so scared to walk alone by themselves? That should give you enough reason to see the difference in sense of security between the two worlds.
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While I am not in favor of these dance parties I would much rather accept the fact that they exist in a culture than to keep denying their existence. So it’s very progressive for television to take on the subject. I would much rather live among people who justify these things than to live among those who denounce them in the morning but join one at night or at least would if given a chance.
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by pakistani women, are you meaning all the pakistani women, or are you meaning certain women in certain areas at certain times that are afraid to walk alone?
what i will add is that there are times, places, areas, where women wont walk alone all over the world, not just the Muslim countries, i know places here in the UK where women think twice about walking down a particular street/area etc,
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Of course there are places all over the world where people, mostly women probably would not want to walk around alone. However, one cannot deny the harassment that women receive in Pakistan when doing so, whether it be day, or night, while walking down the street, or shopping at the market. Getting your butt pinched about 10 times in half an hour while shopping for groceries just does NOT happen in the west.
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that doesnt surprise me...ive attended lots of parties when i was in Lahore..
ps: i donno why it shud surprise anyone ... if pakistani people living in other countries like US or canada ...if they can have those parties , why cant people living in pak ?
comeon peeps its there life... as faisal said....if u are a dance maniac , ull go to parties no matter where u are in the world.... people who dont like dance stuff ,they would avoid it....no matter if they are in las vegas or any other part of the world ( be it pakistan )
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hahahahaha…i think u did not attend just a single dance party in ur whole life…
i have been too much many “high class dance parties” and i know very well wht the hell goes in such parties…drugs,wine,sex and blah blah r common part of such parties..infact many times,such parties have resulted into fights between the two groups…
so dear,i have been to parties many times but still i have guts to say the wrong as wrong not right…
such parties r nothing but idiotic loser events of those who r in search of “relaxation of their minds” but they end up in more difficult condition to balance their lifes