Re: Dajjal in Isfihaan?
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Re: Dajjal in Isfihaan?
Salam,
I think you didn’t understand my point of quoting those ahadith. My whole intention was to show you that there are ahadith where holy prophet pbuh saw (in dream) dajjal in kaaba. Since there is hadith saying that he cannot enter Makkah and Madinah, then that would mean we have to interpret that dream. How would you interpret the dream in which holy Prophet PBUH saw dajjal in kaaba ? Needs interpretation now right? thats my whole point.
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Now, this is your understanding that he will break the biggest cross. There is no significance in that. Why will Christians follow Him because he break a cross ? How will this benefit Islam ?
You have finally agreed on the interpretation of donkey to mean plane or aircraft. But wait a second!.. its not over yet. If dajjal’s donkey needed interpretation, then so does dajjal. Its rather amusing how a one eyed person can have aircraft as his ride :halo:.
Era of technology was there since the time of ancient Egyptian.. ok… who invented all these technology ? telecommunication, aircrafts,missiles,rockets,trains etc ? When was the time when Christianity started spreading like fire ?
Dajjal represent Christianity. His donkey represent the era of technology. All this technology was invented by western countries who are Christians. Enough said.
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Mr.Popat
If and when Isa (AS) defeats Dajjal - he (AS) will have power over the world … People will have no choice but to recognise him as being the Messiah … Then he (AS) could go and show to the world that he (AS) disowns the symbol of the cross - by breaking one. Look Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) after conquering Makkah went to the Ka’bah and destroyed the idols there … I’m quite sure he (SAW) did not go into all of the people’s houses destroying each one … I’m quite sure the people themselves realised what they had to do … The same can be the case with the cross … There is no need to act all bewildered … 
Next you talk about the aircraft interpretation as though you made us accept it - just search the GS archives and you will see I have already raised this topic before … As for the gold part you said in the earlier post - that is nothing to do with Dajjal - you are conflating a sign that takes place before Dajjal with Dajjal himself …
Dajjal does not represent Christianity - that is absurd … Because the Masih is supposed to kill Dajjal which means if you are right MGAQ should have killed all the Christians - instead the Christians from Britain were praised by him …
You are all twisted and mixed up … Dajjal is an individual as per his description - it is categorical that he will be killed and that by Masih … all of these are inherently tied up … Even if we entertain the idea that Dajjal is the Era of Technology then Dajjal has never been stronger - who is gonna kill him Mr.Popat? Do you realise what that means? Killing Dajjal would be equivalent to plunging the world deliberately back in to the iron age … Because technology according to you is Dajjal … funny you boasted MTV to be the first channel devoted to ‘Islam’ - the fact is if I believe everything you say - you were the first to strengthen Dajjal by moving towards technology.
And there is so much to say … but for you even if I continue saying it - it is never enough said … is it?
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Your beliefs are based on theories. Mine is based on reality and true teachings of Islam. That is not just a claim, mind you. I’ve had many debates with you.. all shows that you’re happy with any theories that can satisfy your mind.
How will Isa a.s have power all over the world ? Is that what hes coming for ? To govern the world ? Has there been a prophet whose mission was to conquer the world ? to take over governance ? Like c’mon man ! are you waiting for a Messiah or God forbid blood thirsty maniac ? How did Muhammad PBUH destroying idols in kaaba have any significance with what Messiah will do according to you ? Muhammad PBUH all his life have said not to worship idols. After spreading the true religion, he came and physically destroyed idols. Does this mean people no longer worship idols ? Upon the coming of Messiah, your belief is that people will know what they need to do. What about at the time of Muhammad PBUH? There have always been people opposing Islam.
Either you have understood our message and purposely coming up with non sense questions or you just have limited knowledge when it comes to topics like these. I have said it earlier and i will say this now. Dajjal is Christians waiting to be in power. The donkey which you have said means aircraft is the ‘era’ in which Christians were to gain power. You know very well that I said dajjal to be Christian and the donkey to mean the ‘era’. Messiah will NOT and ill say it again.. NOT kill donkey ! what part of it do you not understand ? Killing dajjal is what Messiah will do. He will kill dajjal ( Christian beliefs ) and he will do it the same way Muhammad PBUH destroyed idols. You need to wake up and smell coffee. Come out of that box and think !
Truth has come and falsehood has perished away. How has the falsehood perished away ?? is falsehood not still here ? What answer do you have to that ? Christianity has been destroyed by declaring their Lord Jesus as dead. Do you understand that psyah? He a.s is dead ! that’s it!. God does not die. Their lord has died. That is the central belief of Christianity which after the coming of Hz Ahmad (as) has been destroyed. Today, if there is any jamaat who has saved Muslims from converting to Christianity.. know this for sure that its the Ahmadiyya jamaat. I’m not going to write more about it. Be wise enough to see what i’m saying.
It is rather your belief that upon the coming of Messiah, where ever he see, people will melt away and revert to Islam.. and those who wont accept Islam, he will kill them. Now, that IS absurd psyah!. Do not follow the footsteps of jews who used to hide certain things of their beliefs and tell of their beliefs whatever they wish.
Messiah will NOT kill Christians for goodness sake ! He will destroy cross and kill swines.. meaning he will show them from their books and from Quran how their Lord has died! Have Muhammad PBUH killed non believers for the mere reason that they’re not believing?
Your whole beliefs are based on fairy tales psyah. You have gotten the true message of Islam and the true interpretation of verese of quran and ahadith of Muhammad PBUH which you people have conflict in. Allah is the witness that I have conveyed His true teachings to you and to all those who read my posts. It is up to you whether you accept it or reject it. May Allah open up your heart and allow you to see that Islam is a living religion and Islam’s God is a living God who still speaks to his beloved servants like he used to. There is not a single attribute of His that anyone can put a full stop on.
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Here’s my post #42. Read it and tell me why does it not make sense to you?
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/577478-dajjal-in-isfihaan-3.html#post9143733
Dajjal in Isfihaan?
Psyah: what are the other signs of dajjal? Apart from the donkey and his personal features.
Dajjal in Isfihaan?
Imo both dajjal and sufiyani are here; not long now for imam mahdi (as) to arrive. Not long at all.
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Imo both dajjal and sufiyani are here; not long now for imam mahdi (as) to arrive. Not long at all.
Who's sufyani?
Bash al Assad?
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Your beliefs are based on theories. Mine is based on reality and true teachings of Islam.
No. Your belifs are mere assumptions based on your interpretation about certain ahadith. The majority doesn't even follow your interpretation.
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Your beliefs are based on theories. Mine is based on reality and true teachings of Islam. That is not just a claim, mind you. I've had many debates with you.. all shows that you're happy with any theories that can satisfy your mind.
How will Isa a.s have power all over the world ? Is that what hes coming for ? To govern the world ? Has there been a prophet whose mission was to conquer the world ? to take over governance ? Like c'mon man ! are you waiting for a Messiah or God forbid blood thirsty maniac ? How did Muhammad PBUH destroying idols in kaaba have any significance with what Messiah will do according to you ? Muhammad PBUH all his life have said not to worship idols. After spreading the true religion, he came and physically destroyed idols. Does this mean people no longer worship idols ? Upon the coming of Messiah, your belief is that people will know what they need to do. What about at the time of Muhammad PBUH? There have always been people opposing Islam.
Either you have understood our message and purposely coming up with non sense questions or you just have limited knowledge when it comes to topics like these. I have said it earlier and i will say this now. Dajjal is Christians waiting to be in power. The donkey which you have said means aircraft is the 'era' in which Christians were to gain power. You know very well that I said dajjal to be Christian and the donkey to mean the 'era'. Messiah will NOT and ill say it again.. NOT kill donkey ! what part of it do you not understand ? Killing dajjal is what Messiah will do. He will kill dajjal ( Christian beliefs ) and he will do it the same way Muhammad PBUH destroyed idols. You need to wake up and smell coffee. Come out of that box and think !
Truth has come and falsehood has perished away. How has the falsehood perished away ?? is falsehood not still here ? What answer do you have to that ? Christianity has been destroyed by declaring their Lord Jesus as dead. Do you understand that psyah? He a.s is dead ! that's it!. God does not die. Their lord has died. That is the central belief of Christianity which after the coming of Hz Ahmad (as) has been destroyed. Today, if there is any jamaat who has saved Muslims from converting to Christianity.. know this for sure that its the Ahmadiyya jamaat. I'm not going to write more about it. Be wise enough to see what i'm saying.
It is rather your belief that upon the coming of Messiah, where ever he see, people will melt away and revert to Islam.. and those who wont accept Islam, he will kill them. Now, that IS absurd psyah!. Do not follow the footsteps of jews who used to hide certain things of their beliefs and tell of their beliefs whatever they wish.
Messiah will NOT kill Christians for goodness sake ! He will destroy cross and kill swines.. meaning he will show them from their books and from Quran how their Lord has died! Have Muhammad PBUH killed non believers for the mere reason that they're not believing?
Your whole beliefs are based on fairy tales psyah. You have gotten the true message of Islam and the true interpretation of verese of quran and ahadith of Muhammad PBUH which you people have conflict in. Allah is the witness that I have conveyed His true teachings to you and to all those who read my posts. It is up to you whether you accept it or reject it. May Allah open up your heart and allow you to see that Islam is a living religion and Islam's God is a living God who still speaks to his beloved servants like he used to. There is not a single attribute of His that anyone can put a full stop on.
Please try to hear what I am saying ... The people out of love for Isa (AS) and recognising his (AS) Signs will accept him. He will as a result acquire control of the world and rule with justice for 7 years.
The rest I can't be asked to answer just yet ...
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& Peace Mr. Popat,
The question is that dream was seen/told by our beloved Prophet Muhammad 
at that time. Why we are in need to interpret it now since He in another hadith already told that dajjal will not be able to hold access in Mecca & Madinah.
Who do we are and on what authority we are trying to interpret the dream of our beloved Prophet ?
For me the both hadiths are clear and immaclulate.
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Salam,
Again..you’re not getting my point. Like I said earlier, I affirm both the hadith to be true. However, one is a dream of holy prophet pbuh, whereas in another hadith he pbuh said dajjal will not enter Makkah and Madinah. Now, since you also believe both hadith to be authentic, kindly tell me what the dream must have meant that dajjal will be in Makkah. They both cannot be contradictory to each other, and they are not. I want you to kindly quote me some scholar’s interpretation on that dream.
or are you saying His s.a.w dream was just an ordinary dream with no meaning to it whatsoever ?
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Give me a sketch of your dajjal as you have understood it. the person. and I will try to give you mine. no speech please
although this exchange did not work as intended i'd still like to hear your personal take.
actually alot of people have different views on aspects of this subject so fear not about being different.
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What? Your art skills not up to scratch ... you have just metaphorically interpreted your own earlier post ... :D
my post was not that difficult to understand at least by brainy person like you. Actually, you didn't want to give what I asked for. Even when I explained it, you tried to brush it away using not so good sense of humour. need to work on that.
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Peace kchughtai,
Let me explain the hadith by giving u an example: Have u seen movie "The Day the Earth Still Stood"?. In this movie a tall robot with red light on his face (lets say with one red eye) comes out from a sphere thingy which appeared on earth (sphere apprear at different location. Its dajjal system/fitnah). That robot (like dajjal) already sent his many many followers on the earth who were trying to make peoples change (divert from right path i.e., from true religion), some of them became part of that i.e. chosen true religion rather than astraying them. finally an alien named 'kluto or pluto' (Messiah of that robot i.e., dajjal's who can kills and bring back to life) came and watched/observed that whether the peoples changed or not? He presented the logic i.e., science the solution to change/divert people's mind. But still peoples didn't changed so the big robot (dajjal) start destroying the word but stopped b'coz people assured that they'll going to change. Those cities from where peoples leaving are example of hypocrites/non-believers who'll come out from Mecca and Madina. Later on as per robot (dajjal) those cities will be destroyed and only remain those which follow the robot (dajjal) and peace in this world will be re-established.
The above is an example out of many examples of Dajjal's fitna/arrival/apperance :)
dear bro LKK,
I felt like a kindergargener when I read your post and wanted to say "Thank you teeeeeecher, everything is so crystal clear." :)
btw, what was the original question
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LKK, what information have you deduced from the above ahadith? please let us know in simple words
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I didn't ask for an analogy. just simple statement as what you have understood.
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although this exchange did not work as intended i'd still like to hear your personal take.
actually alot of people have different views on aspects of this subject so fear not about being different.
I will do it. btw, I am not afraid of being different. :)
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so who has won? Man or Dajjal?
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I will do it. btw, I am not afraid of being different. :)
whats your sketch of dajjal then?
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Mufti Abu Lubaba Shah Mansoor - DAJJAL Kaun kahan Kab.pdf