Question to Sunni (and may be to shia) muslims. I’m not sure if shias believe in this hadith.
What is your understanding of the hadith that says dajjal will come out from Isfihaan?
Dajjal in Isfihaan?
Dajjal is a jew. Plenty of jews originating or living in isfahan. dajjal is not a person, but a system. It literally means liar or deceiver. Imo the system is already established.
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But it has been said that he'll have one eye and KAAF-FAY-RAY will be written on his forehead which every Momin would be able to see clearly. SO? how would you explain that?? :(
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It also says that he will be born to a big breasted woman.
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Dajjal is Jew but not a person? … 
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Dajjal in Isfihaan?
He'd have a physical form aswell no?
It also says that he will be born to a big breasted woman.
seriously?
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Have you heard of zionism? Its an ideology rather than a person.
The description are largely metaphorical imo.
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I think he will have a physical form.. I read an article about it but in a magazine and it was a really good article. It comprised on I think, series. There it was explained through Hadiths also about what and how he would be and also How to be protected from Fitna of Dajjal. It also said to learn Surah-e-Kahaf starting 10 ayats I think to be protected from Dajjal's fitna.
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Are you guys referring to this as far as the system and the one [all-seeing] eye ?
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seriously?
I read somewhere that dajjal ka zahoor Hoga wo paida nahi Hoga like other babies.
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See my post above. That is zahoor alright of a/the system.
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But it has been said that he'll have one eye and KAAF-FAY-RAY will be written on his forehead which every Momin would be able to see clearly. SO? how would you explain that?? :(
All Literate / illiterate momins will be able to read KAAF-FA-RA. what does that tell you? it means that it will be clear beyond doubt (written on forehead) that dajjal belongs to kufar i.e., dajjal will be from non-muslims
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I wonder when people are going to make sense of islam and quran?
There was never any bigger danger from people to people on face of the earth other than one person enslaving another be it through personal strength or personnel strength or wealth using deception. The first dajjal was imperialism by kings then by mullahs and now by bankers. That is how people always controlled each other and that is what people have been fighting against always to gain freedom from.
Interpret the quran and the ahadith in context of realities of real life rather than running after all sorts of make beliefs. Islam is coming regardless we like it or not.
The reason is, islam is true rule of law that is properly balanced to give people a good base for the proper human society.
As time goes on people are becoming more and more aware of realities of life and are fighting for freedom from all sorts of deceptive nonsense and that is how personal and personnel based imperialism is gone by now and we are now at cross roads for end of money based imperialism.
This will only go away when people accept islamic way of life whole heartedly. It is because unless we raise generations that learn to live for each other capitalist system cannot be defeated. Selfishness cannot be defeated unless by selflessness ie greed cannot be defeated unless people become generous towards each other. So long as people remain greedy they are animals and when they become generous towards each other that is when they will become people ie proper human beings, the true followers of divine message.
So long as people remain greedy they will keep on tearing each other apart like animals in jungle and only when caring and sharing mindset and attitude prevails in practice that world will become peaceful ie peace will prevail in the world.
It is going to take yet more generations to arrive at that point for mankind. It is because the people who have advantage over others have under their control so much therefore they are succeeding in fooling the rest of humanity but soon they are going to become exposed and vulnerable themselves. It is because the road they have taken for themselves leads all of them to dead end. The number of rich people is going to decrease in the world in relation to the rest of population in which poverty is to increase leading to death and destruction after a lot of painful suffering at a much greater scale before people react to that and need the road to salvation.
Politicians and priests still have a lot to catch up with, so people who ought to know better should lead the way and not leave things at mercy of ignorant fools if we want a better world sooner rather than later.
Word dajjaal is from root daal, jeem and laam. This root is not used in the quran even once. The concrete meanings of this root is man made as opposed to God made or natural. The word carries many other derived meanings eg fake, false, deceptive etc etc.
The way it makes sense to me in islamic context is that we have two ways of life ie divine and man made. The divine set way of life leads to peace and prosperity of mankind and all ways other than that are fake therefore lead to fitna and fasaad.
After prophet muhammad set up islamic state and passed away, his followers lost the way and brought the islamic way of life to an end replacing it with malukiyat. That was dajjaali system and thereafter ummah was taken over by mullaism and much later by money oriented people and now the whole ummah is in grip of nonmuslims. The nonmuslims as we can see have used their economic system to trap the whole world and if anyone can break this monopoly then it is only and only muslim ummah but only if it wakes up.
To stop this ummah from waking up politicians and mullahs are backed fully by bankers to keep them confused and stupid so that they keep on fighting over none issues and waste their lives away. So one can see how wide spread and tough this deception is and how it is working on muslim minds.
Despite what humanity is put through by some monsters in human form muslims are still thinking they need to do some imaginary good deeds through useless ritualism and everything will be ok. They do not realise that first thing comes first and that is survival with dignity. If people do not have that then whatever else they have is no use at all.
Islam is first and foremost about human dignity not useless ritualism. Islam is only there if there is ummah and ummah is only ummah if it is united on purpose. There is no islam if there is no ummah. This is why all ideas that cause divisions among muslims are anti islam therefore people must give up all nonsense ideas or they will remain in disgrace so long as they stick to false concepts of islam.
All the prophets had to work day and night very very hard to get some sense into their people to bring them out of depths of darkness of ignorance in to the light of revelation in order to bring about revolutions.
They did not sit on the masslaa praying to God make all people peaceful and prosperous and so it happened. You only get what you work for. If we want peace and prosperity for mankind then we too must work according to program given in the quran by properly understanding it. Otherwise we can carry on the way we have been and the results of our actions will remain the same. If we do not want these results then we must make changes in our course of actions. We need to stop following make beliefs and make plans with real world realities in our sights.
Even if we accept dajjaal is a person, he will still have to devise a plan to get what he wants from rest of mankind. He cannot use anything outside the natural world. Therefore we too should be able to fight dajjaal using same things that are available to dajjaal and ourselves. The main thing is this world in which we all live and in here only those people take things in their direction who work hard for their ends or goals. So if muslims will do better they are bound to win the day because that is how universal laws are set up to work.
So there is no point in waiting for dajaal rather dajjaal is here already unless we just do not want to do anything about it. Our political and religious leadership is part of dajjaal= the harmful and destructive system. We are letting them live the way they are living so it suits them that way and we are simply sitting idle complaining. The world does not change that way. If we want change for the better then that involves hard work from which we are shying away through baseless excuses.
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^what?
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Mughal, please summarize in 3 lines max.
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Mughal, please summarize in 3 lines max.
Dear TS, islam is a deen and deeni sources need to be understood properly so that we do not end up with self made concepts of islam as individuals. Fighting over make beliefs is destroying the spirit of ummah from within and outsiders are obviously not very helpful to us. It is to our advantage that we take time to understand islam ourselves and share it with others. Sense of community is absolutely vital for our survival.
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First of all is no one is fighting here, hum sab yahan discuss kernay aur samajhnay k liye bethe hain!!
**"I wonder when people are going to make sense of islam and quran?" **aisee lines likh ke hamen sharminda na karen, no one here DECLARED here the form of Dajjal. Its all discussion!!
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Look who is talking!