Dajjal in Isfihaan?
^ a person?
Hmm..But your own ullamas interpret those ahadith now too and some dont take it as literally.
Dajjal will be killed by Messiah. Not imam mahdi.
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^killed by the masih (ibn Maryam AS)..thats what we believe aswell. do you believe it, the killer of dajjal, will be another masih or by or will dajjal be killed by his books from past?
100+ years living as shias, thats ennough, time to come home mrpopat
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^ a person? Hmm..But your own ullamas interpret those ahadith now too and some dont take it as literally. Dajjal will be killed by Messiah. Not imam mahdi.
My own scholars?
I know he will be killed by Jesus (AS) who will descend after Imam Mahdi and Dajjal's arrival.
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^killed by the masih (ibn Maryam AS)..thats what we believe aswell. do you believe it, the killer of dajjal, will be another masih or by or will dajjal be killed by his books from past?
100+ years living as shias, thats ennough, time to come home mrpopat
He's not shia.
Interestingly enough, the signs of dajjal in Sunni hadith books are similar to the signs of the 12th imam of shias (don't know if all shias believe that) like he's in hiding and he'll have supernatural powers etc.
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^ do you believe the same that he as a person exists and in hiding?
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I have no doubt that we are living in a dajjalic system and dajjal is a person and will appear after the arrival of Mahdi.
^ are you sure dajjal will appear after mahdi?
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^ do you believe the same that he as a person exists and in hiding?
Yes, he's hiding (as a person).
^ are you sure dajjal will appear after mahdi?
Yes.
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may peace be with you and your husband and your familly
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Interestingly enough, the signs of dajjal in Sunni hadith books are similar to the signs of the 12th imam of shias (don't know if all shias believe that) like he's in hiding and he'll have supernatural powers etc.
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yes they all believe that
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Question to Sunni (and may be to shia) muslims. I'm not sure if shias believe in this hadith.
What is your understanding of the hadith that says dajjal will come out from Isfihaan?
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^Sorry I didn't want a discussion that might turn into shia bashing...I was only comparing the ahadith in sunni and shia books.
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The famous hadith of telling of tamim dari's experience proves that Dajjal is a human being. The Dajjal as i said earlier is a three phase phenomenon ... Dajjal the Culture, Dajjal the Elite and Dajjal the Person ... The last phase is yet to manifest and if you measure the extent of what it is they are waiting for that is an indication for us to know ...
We know that the Jews will take for Isa (AS) whom we take for Dajjal ... This is another proof that he will be a person. Ahmadi brothers here - you openly say that Jews expected a Messiah but didn't recognise him ... They were expecting a human and Isa (AS) came but they still did not accept him. They have not changed their mind - they are still expecting a physical human to come ... In fact some elements within are actively working to make their Messiah come ... who we understand to be none other than Dajjal ... Further proof that Dajjal himself is not here yet is ... that they are still trying to establish they global system and they are only now putting together their final jigsaw pieces in together ... When Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was alive - Israel was not established. It is categorical that since the time of MGAQ the world platform has gotten worse ... i.e. the 1st and 2nd phases of the Dajjalic order have not gotten weaker but stronger ... So even if we interpret Dajjal to mean something like an "era of deception" then we are living in the strongest Dajjal that history has given to us. And the would be Messiah has come and gone and our problems are still there getting worse ...
Look to the others see what it is they are searching for and you will see they still depict the Great Seal with an incomplete pyramid ... Anuis Ceoptis "He is Pleased with Our Project" - Back of the 1 Dollar note ... why is the pyramid incomplete? It is because their messiah has not come yet ... neither has ours ... To say the mainstream Muslims are wrong for expecting a human Dajjal is the same as saying that the Dajjalic Elite are wrong for trying to find a human Messiah ... it puts us to wonder why should the Messiah be a human but the "anti-christ", "False Messiah", Dajjal be some airy fairy condition of society .... If he is the false messiah he will convince people that he IS the messiah common sense tells us that he is a man ... People need to come out of their comfort zone of normality - and expect strange things to happen and trust in Allah (SWT) because those unprepared people who it will confront ... well Allah (SWT) save them from the deception of Dajjal.
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Now all this makes sense.
The famous hadith of telling of tamim dari's experience proves that Dajjal is a human being. The Dajjal as i said earlier is a three phase phenomenon ... Dajjal the Culture, Dajjal the Elite and Dajjal the Person ... The last phase is yet to manifest and if you measure the extent of what it is they are waiting for that is an indication for us to know ...
We know that the Jews will take for Isa (AS) whom we take for Dajjal ... This is another proof that he will be a person. Ahmadi brothers here - you openly say that Jews expected a Messiah but didn't recognise him ... They were expecting a human and Isa (AS) came but they still did not accept him. They have not changed their mind - they are still expecting a physical human to come ... In fact some elements within are actively working to make their Messiah come ... who we understand to be none other than Dajjal ... Further proof that Dajjal himself is not here yet is ... that they are still trying to establish they global system and they are only now putting together their final jigsaw pieces in together ... When Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was alive - Israel was not established. It is categorical that since the time of MGAQ the world platform has gotten worse ... i.e. the 1st and 2nd phases of the Dajjalic order have not gotten weaker but stronger ... So even if we interpret Dajjal to mean something like an "era of deception" then we are living in the strongest Dajjal that history has given to us. And the would be Messiah has come and gone and our problems are still there getting worse ...
Look to the others see what it is they are searching for and you will see they still depict the Great Seal with an incomplete pyramid ... Anuis Ceoptis "He is Pleased with Our Project" - Back of the 1 Dollar note ... why is the pyramid incomplete? It is because their messiah has not come yet ... neither has ours ... To say the mainstream Muslims are wrong for expecting a human Dajjal is the same as saying that the Dajjalic Elite are wrong for trying to find a human Messiah ... it puts us to wonder why should the Messiah be a human but the "anti-christ", "False Messiah", Dajjal be some airy fairy condition of society .... If he is the false messiah he will convince people that he IS the messiah common sense tells us that he is a man ... People need to come out of their comfort zone of normality - and expect strange things to happen and trust in Allah (SWT) because those unprepared people who it will confront ... well Allah (SWT) save them from the deception of Dajjal.
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We know that the Jews will take for Isa (AS) whom we take for Dajjal ... This is another proof that he will be a person. Ahmadi brothers here - you openly say that Jews expected a Messiah but didn't recognise him ... They were expecting a human and Isa (AS) came but they still did not accept him. They have not changed their mind - they are still expecting a physical human to come ... In fact some elements within are actively working to make their Messiah come ... who we understand to be none other than Dajjal
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Jews didn't accept Isa(as) since were also literalists and wanted to see some prophecies materializing before their eyes. for instance, at that time they were under roman rule and expected Messiah to establish the kingdom of david again....
Why are they still waiting for the Messiah? it is because they believe the one they were expecting has not arrived yet as they didn't accept Isa(as).
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Jews didn't accept Isa(as) since were also literalists and wanted to see some prophecies materializing before their eyes. for instance, at that time they were under roman rule and expected Messiah to establish the kingdom of david again.... Why are they still waiting for the Messiah? it is because they believe the one they were expecting has not arrived yet as they didn't accept Isa(as).
You have stopped half way through ... The second coming of Isa (AS) is when he (AS) will establish the kingdom of Heaven on earth ... In this regard the Jews still await their Messiah and when Dajjal starts to take over country after country ... Of course they will recognise him to be Masih ... So your argument is incomplete and flawed.
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Give me a sketch of your dajjal as you have understood it. the person. and I will try to give you mine. no speech please
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You have stopped half way through ... The second coming of Isa (AS) is when he (AS) will establish the kingdom of Heaven on earth ... In this regard the Jews still await their Messiah and when Dajjal starts to take over country after country ... Of course they will recognise him to be Masih ... So your argument is incomplete and flawed.
What is kingdom of heaven as you have understood? he will hand over the world governance to you guys? do you think some wars will bring the superiority of Islam over all religions as Quran says?
Also do you mean to say that Jews were justified in rejecting Isa(as) as they didn't see things happening as they have understood?
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In this regard the Jews still await their Messiah and *when Dajjal starts to take over country after country ... Of course they will recognise him to be Masih
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what is the basis of it? they wanted masih to establish world government? i think it is you guys. why would you not be taken in?
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When Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was alive - Israel was not established. It is categorical that since the time of MGAQ the world platform has gotten worse ... i.e. the 1st and 2nd phases of the Dajjalic order have not gotten weaker but stronger ... So even if we interpret Dajjal to mean something like an "era of deception" then we are living in the strongest Dajjal that history has given to us.
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And the would be Messiah has come and gone and our problems are still there getting worse ...
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the problems will get worse for 'Maghdoob-e-Alaihim'.
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What is kingdom of heaven as you have understood? he will hand over the world governance to you guys? do you think some wars will bring the superiority of Islam over all religions as Quran says? Also do you mean to say that Jews were justified in rejecting Isa(as) as they didn't see things happening as they have understood?
what is the basis of it? they wanted masih to establish world government? i think it is you guys. why would you not be taken in?
It's simple kchughtai
The Masih has not come, because the Dajjal has not come, the Dajjal has not come because the Mahdi has not come. Had the Mahdi come then the Dajjal would follow and had the Dajjal followed then the *Jews would no longer be waiting for their Masih *... since they are still waiting for their Masih we know that our Masih has not come yet ...
Our paths would eventually coincide that is the only way it makes sense ... we can't have the fulfilment of Mahdi and Isa (AS) isolated from the Jews expectations ... which then connects together the arrival of the Dajjal in to this equation.
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It's simple kchughtai
The Masih has not come, because the Dajjal has not come, the Dajjal has not come because the Mahdi has not come. Had the Mahdi come then the Dajjal would follow and had the Dajjal followed then the *Jews would no longer be waiting for their Masih *... since they are still waiting for their Masih we know that our Masih has not come yet ...
when you think hhmm I mean not your think but according wha
Our paths would eventually coincide that is the only way it makes sense ... we can't have the fulfilment of Mahdi and Isa (AS) isolated from the Jews expectations ... which then connects together the arrival of the Dajjal in to this equation.
Psyah do you feel that you losing?