Re: Dajjal in Isfihaan?
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Am I in the religion forum ? Oops.
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Dajjal is not some out of ordinary human or any other creature of God that Muslims mistakenly take it as. It's rather strange how such clear meaning of dajjal is still a question mark for Muslims and still dont understand what it means. We need to get out of fairy tale stories and put facts straight up.
I will write something on this issue and will leave it up to you guys to decide where is the hint pointing towards.
If we read ahadith on Dajjal, the meaning we can come up with are as follows:
1) someone who lies a lot/ an imposter
2) wealthy and one whose got lots of treasure
3) a huge group of people who covers the whole world with its population
To be protected from dajjal, holy prophet suggested us to read the first 10 verses of surah kahf.
In one hadith, the fitnah of dajjal has been declared the most biggest fitnah
Quran says the biggest fitnah or the biggest sin a man can ever commit is to associate partner with Allah. (surah maryam, verse 91)
In Quran, we pray in surah fateha to keep us away from 2 fitnah ( jews and christians ), >> maghzub e elaehim(jews) and azzaleheen(christian).
Jews cannot be called dajjal because of Surah Imran verse 112, which says that ' they have incurred the wrath of allah'. Another reason why jews cannot be called dajjal is because Allah has promised the believers that whomsoever believes in Jesus, Allah will keep them above those who disbelieved in him. ( surah imran verse 55 ).
Lets analyze more ahadith. ( not exact wordings, pardon me for that )
- He will be one eyed (bukhari)
- His other eye will be very shiny as if its a pearl ( kanz ul amaal )
- Ka Fa Ra written on his forehead ( bukhari )
- Prophet Muhammad PBUH saw dajjal in shape of a healthy man with broad chest, white in color ( Kitab ul fitan , *Musnif ibn e abi sheeba * )
- From Isfahaan, there will be 70,000 jews will support dajjal (pointing to many jews, as in arabic 70, or other numbers suggest many in numbers and not just that particular number)
- Holy prophet says .. He will have with him enough rizq. He will spread in the world very fast. He will spread fitnah and destruction in the world. He will kill anyone.. he will bring back to life to whom he pleases. With his order, it will rain. ( Muslim kitab ul fitan)
- He will have with him heaven and hell. What he considers heaven is actually hell. (Bukhari kitabul anbiya)
- Dajjal will melt away with the appearance of Messiah.
There are more ahadith which clears ones mind even more if that wasnt enough.
Dajjal will have approximately 30 feet of distance between his 2 ears.
It will eat fire
It will cover the distance of months in days
I can list more and more but I'll stop right here.
Lets connect the dots now.
If we read all ahadith on the description of dajjal (as i stated earlier ), we can say that dajjal is a big group of people who will be wealthy, whose population covers a lot of population of the world.. who will have lots of treasure to themselves. The description that Muhammad PBUH saw in one of his dreams suggest that he will be of white color, and will be healthy ( broad chest etc ). >>> Suggesting western power/Christianity
One hadith suggest that Dajjal is the biggest fitnah that mankind will ever experience. On the other hand, Quran says that associating partner with Allah is the biggest sin/fitnah ( surah maryam verse 91, stated above ). >>> both to suggest Christianity.
One eyed suggesting His less interest in spirituality and one eye which will be shining suggest he will be great in worldly matters.
KA FA RA written on his forehead. Even illiterate people will be able to read it. >> Referred to western powers/ Christianity. Ask any illiterate Muslim who his enemy is and you will get an answer saying western power/america which are Christians.
From Isfahaan jews will be supporting dajjal. We know Jews are side by side with Christians. No surprise there.
That was all pointing to Christianity. But wait a second!. One must ask.. Christianity was around even when Muhammad PBUH was there. Well, here is the era to which Allah's apostle pointed when he will emerge with all his force. The time of technology.
His ride will be a donkey which will eat fire >>> airplane, trains, rockets, automobiles. All this were created not too long ago. And to no surprise, all inventions as such were from western world, which are Christians. ( it clears up more when prophet said that his one leg will be in eat and one in west.. so much so that he will cover the distance of months into days ) Suggesting the technology or the era of technology when Christian powers will invent all this.
I think i dont have to explain this any further. For sane people, this should be enough. He will have rizq with him.. Yep.. western world which are what ? Christians ! And you bet they are one eyed ! World is all what they care about!.
First 10 verses of Surah Kahf. If anyone is the seeker of truth, he will go read those 10 verses of Quran. It is clearly about people who took Jesus to be the son of God.. Christians.
Is there any doubt left that dajjal is already here? Is there any doubt left that the basis of Christianity has been broken and destroyed as prophesied by Muhammad PBUH by the coming of Messiah ? Is there any doubt whatsoever left ?
Allah says in Quran for those who are blind in this world will be raised up blind. I humbly request to not just take ahadith as one huge fairytales when it comes to dajjal. Ponder upon it. Think that maybe your ullamas have been telling you lies and maybe just maybe they might be hiding truth from you.
Enough said.
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Glad you mentioned this. You see, even the sahabah and Muhammad PBUH did not take the literal meaning of the description of dajjal. We know Ibn Saiyad was not one eyed. We know his ride wasnt a donkey who eats fire etc. Whats surprising in this hadith is that neither Holy Prophet pbuh , nor the sahabah said that the signs of dajjal does not fit him and therefore he cannot be dajjal. We don’t see that.
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Yep. Thats why you need to interpret ahadith about dajjal. In another hadith it says Dajjal will do pilgrimage of kaaba ( Bukhari kitabul anbiya ). How can we believe both to be true ?
What you quoted means Christianity or western powers cannot enter Mecca and Medina which is true.
The hadith i quoted needs interpretation and Molvi Abdul Haq in his book Muzahir ul Haq states that dajjal pilgrimage to kaaba suggest that he will be close to destroying kaaba ( which means destroying Islam ). Then other hadith says that Messiah will kill Dajjal Bab e Lud. Lud means people who argue/fight. (see surah maryam verse 97). So now this means Messiah will kill Dajjal with the arguments from Quran and ahadith.
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this is the first and only thing ive read of your post:
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Yep. Thats why you need to interpret ahadith about dajjal. In another hadith it says Dajjal will do pilgrimage of kaaba ( Bukhari kitabul anbiya ).
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can you show us the hadith?
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Not just 1 hadith. Here are 4 ahadith from Bukhari with ahadith numbers.
Do read my earlier post. Let me know what part do you disagree on.
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in english, from one of our sites, ask if you need links
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I'm quoting Sahih Bukhari if you didnt already notice. My site or yours. That doesnt matter. Search it up yourself in english. Hadith #6999, 7026, 7128, 3440 ( first digit represent the book). What i'm saying is the ahadith needs interpretation too. One says one thing, the other says completely opposite. I'm denying none. But dajjal in kaaba needs interpretation because in other hadith it says he cannot enter Mecca. I stated above what one of the molvi (i have 3 ullama's reference about this, but just stated one) interpreted this hadith to mean.
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bring us the the opposing hadiths
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shouldnt be bothersome for you after the claim you made
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Yep. Thats why you need to interpret ahadith about dajjal. In another hadith it says Dajjal will do pilgrimage of kaaba ( Bukhari kitabul anbiya ).
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^^ you're getting off topic here. LLK quoted a hadith in which it says dajjal cannot enter Mecca or Madinah. I quoted 4 ahadith in which Muhammad PBUH has seen dajjal doing pilgrimage to Kaaba. I affirmed hadith LLK posted. Then the hadith that I posted, I gave an explanation of that. Kindly read my whole post before replying. Thanks.
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heretical cross religious debate wasnt the topic either but that didnt stop you
and until you present the hadiths here, theres no discussion regarding what you are claiming either. conjecture just doesnt add to much
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lol. Do you like hating on me or what ?
cross religious debate ? are you serious ? I explained what dajjal meant. Did you even read my post ?
I posted the ahadith. Let someone else who can read urdu come and affirm it or if you're that keen, go and search it in english yourself. I gave you ahadith numbers. That was not even the discussion. You asked for the ahadith, and I gave it to you. Read this carefully. I affirm what LLK posted. Then I said we have ahadith where muhammad pbuh saw dajjal in kaaba. I explained what that means so both ahadith reconcile with each other. Read the 2nd part of my post #43 again.
If you have something useful to contribute here then do so, or else quit debating with me for no reason.
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some authentic material on dajjal.
From mufti abu lubaba
In first book the author has collected all riwayats and have commented upon them.
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The Hadith of Tamim Dari is also proof that Dajjal is a man … The other Hadith on the matter could also be about the lesser Dajjals.
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Never heard of a hadith about dajjal doing hajj...and I've read almost all of the dajjal related ahadith (at least the ones in siha e sitta).
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I find this interpretation anti-semetic and very insulting to Jews and Christians. This is actually used in salafi and wahabi translations and gives us reasons to hate Jews and Christians. Quran also mentions that some Christians, Jews and Sabians will enter heaven, right? What stops atheists from not being from Maghdub and adhaleen? Don’t we consider them misguided? And what about hindus and budhists? Why only discriminate Jews and Christians?
Now I’m specifically interested in this hadith so I won’t bother with other ahadith just yet.
What do you mean Jews are side by side Christians? They are very much against each other. In US, most hate crimes are done against the Jews by mostly Christians. And about the Jews of Isfihan, I don’t see them on Christians’ side either. So please explain a bit more about what you’re trying to say.
Are you saying “dajjal” means technology? Well, then muslims and hindus support dajjal as well. 
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Abdullah narrated:
The Prophet mentioned the Massiah Ad-Dajjal in front of the people saying, Allah is not one eyed while Messiah, Ad-Dajjal is blind in the right eye and his eye looks like a bulging out grape. While sleeping near the Ka’ba last night, I saw in my dream a man of brown color the best one can see amongst brown color and his hair was long that it fell between his shoulders. His hair was lank and water was dribbling from his head and he was placing his hands on the shoulders of two men while circumambulating the Kaba. I asked, ‘Who is this?’ They replied, ‘This is Jesus, son of Mary.’ Behind him I saw a man who had very curly hair and was blind in the right eye, resembling Ibn Qatan (i.e. an infidel) in appearance. He was placing his hands on the shoulders of a person while performing Tawaf around the Ka’ba. I asked, 'Who is this? 'They replied, ‘The Masih, Ad-Dajjal.’"
Sahih Bukhari, Book 55 Volume 4, Number 649
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It’s a description of a dream. It doesn’t say dajjal will perform hajj.
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You gotta wonder sometimes how authentic are various hadiths that are thrown around as gospel at the drop of a hat. And beating people over the head with them. Even the ones that don't make any sense at all and sound no more than a khiskay huay dimaagh ki ikhtaraah.
Reminds me of ultra-literalist Bible thumpers in the southern belt.
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Can you guys please stay on the topic?