Cowardly Idf Soldiers, amazing clip

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hmm.. how they are cowards? i mean Mosque Aqsa complex is not a war zone, so soldiers do what they were expected to do.. stay away from trouble unless it’s life threatning.. if they wanna behave like yanks.. then so be it..

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hahhahahahah.

This is what a say about the “Blind Goog-a-lar-@sses”

Those who cut and paste without ever understanding the material.

The very first page shows Fig 1 Aswan dam, without ever mentioning that it was built by Europeans. Thus giving an impression that it is an “Islamic dam”. Yeap. all the Islamists are damned in that kind of false story telling.

Shabash. Very very Shabash.

Following your logic, soon the Turbela dam in Pakistan built by Europeans would be declared an Islamist DAMN too.

hahahah.

Just avoid becoming a Blind Googalar@ss. OK? Read it before posting for a change.

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Gentlemen, I have news for you. Most of history does not repeat itself. Israel is not going away anywhere. They have the nukes. The see of Arabs around them don't.

Sure at some point in distant future somebody may lob a nuke on to Israel. That would take out a large chunk of the Arabs as well. Just pray, you people on both sides of this debate, that that point in future remains in very far future for ever.

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aimless:

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Sure at some point in distant future somebody may lob a nuke on to Israel.
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If Israel has nukes and other don't then it is ISRAEL who is more likely to use nukes against the local people of Middle East. And Israel has shown time and time again that it will not give this option a second thought.
What do you say about this possibility?

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Israel is not going away anywhere. They have the nukes. The see of Arabs around them don't.
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USSR also had nukes.

Finally, it is not you or me or anyone else who would decide Israel's future or lack of it. The best we can do is to discuss Israel's behavior.

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^ over a long time some radical extremists such as Ahmedinejad or Osama or similar crackpot may acquire one - that is the risk I was talking about (and it only makes that easier when any country / government provides any amount of covert support to terrorists, but that is a separate topic by itself).

Sure USSR had nukes - what about it? It was a federation that broke off due to bad economics; the parts made more sense than the whole. So now you see how Russia is doing don't you? Where is the parallel to Israel?

Israel decides its own future and that of Palestine

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I think that if there really are crackpots in the region then it is the Apartheid state of Zionist criminals in Occupied Palestine.
If you want to discuss the risk of the use of nukes then this risk is associated more with the terrorists in Tel Aviv. Because they actually HAVE nukes today and others don't. Their offensive track record and their offensive statements support how big this risk is.

As far as Iran using nukes is concerned, I don't think they even want to get nukes. But with the grave danger they face in the form of those hominoids in Apartheid Regime, everyone agrees that they should get some. However, even if they do, they are highly unlikely to use it. Iran has not attacked another country in the last several centuries. On the other hand we know the terrorist hominoid apartheid regime's lust for violence and massacre.

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Sure USSR had nukes - what about it?
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Nukes don't guarantee continued existence of regimes.

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HAHAH AHAAH AHAHHAHA!
Google something if you like; Goggle is certainly more credible then your racist and pointless babble.

I suggest you try getting a real education: perhaps someplace other then your village.
You probably picked up this “tribal” garbage from your half literate village head master. :hehe:

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Then you havent read your history... The only thing permanent is change itself.

History has certain patterns.. All empires have come to an end. People who were once weak became strong. These patterns are relevent to us because those people we read about in text books, THEY ARE US! :WOW:

I never said Israel will be wiped out by Nukes... There are many ways for nations to disappear. Perhaps they wont disappear at all. Perhaps they will be forced to change. Take population dynamics for example. The Israelis may become a minority in their own country.
Either way, the Israel of today will not be.

At some point, the Arab countries may become stong again. America will not always be there to provide Israel weapons. Anything can happen.
If there is a Nuclear exchange; well that will certainly be the end of Israel. However, how can you assume that Nukes will even be relevant in the future? Perhaps their will be a way for nations to neutralize such threats some day...
You prognosticate as if you know what the future holds. As if everything will remain exactly the way it is today.

Either way, the Israel of today is completely unsustainable for many reasons. One way or the other, it will be forced to concede for the sake of peace, or it will destroyed. History teaches us one thing for certain, that nothing is written in stone. I dont know when it will happen or how, but eventually, Israel will end.

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The "track record" says the exact opposite. Israel has had to withstand the onslaught from its offensive neighbors who have been trying to destroy it from day one.
Israel has nukes for about 30 years, but has never used them. There is a very little chance it ever will. The strength of Israeli nukes is not in actually using them, but in the deterrence, which the possibility of using them provides. Once the weapon is used, the deterrence effect is gone. So, Israel will never use the nukes unless the only other alternative is eminent annihilation.

Regarding Iran and the "grave danger" they face from Israel, don't make me laugh. In what way Israel can possibly gravely endanger Iran?
Besides, have Israel ever threaten to destroy Iran, wipe it of the map? Or any other state for that matter? Never. Yet, we hear on daily bases statements from Iran that Israel must be and will be destroyed. BTW, this very sentiment is expressed over and over again on this very forum.

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I'm afraid you contradict yourself. You keep referring to Israel as a "super power" and an "empire" and then acknowledge that it is a small nation in a sea of Muslims. Israel is indeed one of the smallest countries in the area (and in the world), and an empire it is definitely not.

Your description of Israel as oppressive nation seems to be completely off-base as well. "A nation under siege" is a much more appropriate description. Yes, they have to use force "to subdue everyone around it", but only because "everyone around it" tries to destroy it from day one.
You may argue that Israel will not survive for long in its hostile environment and eventually will be overrun by the prevailing numbers of its enemies. But it is definitely not because of Israel's "oppressive nature", but rather because Israel may turn out to be not strong enough or violent enough to fend off the huge pack of predators bound on devouring it.

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Alex Khazar:

No it doesn’t say the opposite. Israeli attrocities are known around the world. Even Jews disapprove of this terrorism.

haha. That’s silly to say.

A lie from a Zionist terrorism supporter.

The Israeli government has said that all options at Israel’s disposal are legitimate in crippling Iran. According to Reuters, Israel stated on January 17 that a missile tested by Tel Aviv was “capable of carrying an ‘unconventional payload’ — an apparent reference to the nuclear warheads Israel is assumed to possess, though it has never publicly confirmed their existence.” [5]

Israel Radio (which is the object of censorship regarding military issues), claims that according to unidentified foreign sources, Israel was developing its Jericho III long-range surface-to-surface missile and that Jericho III has a range which can reach Iranian territory. [6] Are these statements intended to intimidate Tehran and its regional allies in the Middle East?

According to another Reuters report, “Israel is believed to have atomic arms and foreign analysts have said for many years that its Jericho I and Jericho II missiles can carry nuclear warheads.” [7] Without giving its sources the same report also stated, “Amateur photos posted on Israeli news Web sites showed a white plume in the sky above central Israel.” [8] This appears to be a reference to some form of a nuclear weapons test.

ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.

The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Israel has declared war not just on Iran but all Islam by occupying Islam’s Holy Land.

Israel ceasing to exist does not necessarily mean destruction and massacre.
I know death and destruction is what Zionists want and see, but not everyone thinks like a Zionist.

Are you talking about massacre of Israeli people, similar to Israeli massacre of Lebanese and Palestinian people?
I would not agree with such a massacre. This is against Islamic teachings.

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Should I start about Muslim/Arab atrocities?

Really? Has Israel ever used nuclear weapons? Do you know something that nobody else in the world knows?
So, you provide some "journalistic" reports about imaginary Israeli "secret plans" as a proof that Israel is going to use nukes? Apparently, these plans are not that secret if those reporters knew about them :)
I would not claim any knowledge of Israeli military secrets. I can only tell you why I believe Israel will never use nukes - based on reason, not on wild imagination and amazing knowledge of "secret plans".

Israel has never declared any war on Iran or Islam. And this land is at least as much Jewish Holy Land as it is Muslim.
You intolerance and disrespect to history and beliefs of other people is duly noted.

Oh, really? So, I guess imposing Hindu rule, expulsion of all Muslims from Pakistan and Pakistan ceasing to exist should be an acceptable solution for the Indo-Pakistan problems for you. No massacres, right?

So, thousands of Israelis killed by the Arabs in their wars against Israel do not count? I mean the wars that the Arabs launched against Israel from the very first day of the Israeli independence. I'm not even talking about multiple attacks and massacres against the Jewish population of the area before the independence.
Regarding the Lebanese and the Palestinians, the solution is very simple. Stop attacking Israel, make peace, and you won't ever have to worry about Israel fighting back.

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Everyone knows the IDF are cowards... when they face real troops they will crumble like those before them.

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Please define "real troops".
BTW, just for the record, those two guys in the clip are not IDF. They are with the border patrol police.
The IDF solders do not patrol in Jerusalem. In fact, the only place on earth where you can find IDF soldiers patrolling Arab streets is the streets of Hebron around the Jewish neighborhood.

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I don't approve of any atrocity by any one. But Zionists are remorseless and their atrocities continue.

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Really? Has Israel ever used nuclear weapons? Do you know something that nobody else in the world knows?
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Well, nor has any other country used any nuke. So what does it prove?

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So, you provide some "journalistic" reports about imaginary Israeli "secret plans" as a proof that Israel is going to use nukes? Apparently, these plans are not that secret if those reporters knew about them :)
I would not claim any knowledge of Israeli military secrets. I can only tell you why I believe Israel will never use nukes - based on reason, not on wild imagination and amazing knowledge of "secret plans".
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If you don't know about Israeli military secrets then how can you call those reports "imaginary"?

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Israel has never declared any war on Iran or Islam. And this land is at least as much Jewish Holy Land as it is Muslim.
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It's funny to hear this "holy" stuff coming from an atheist.
Israel DID declare war by occupying Islam's holy land.

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You intolerance and disrespect to history and beliefs of other people is duly noted.
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Actually, your talk of "all things holy", despite being an "atheist foreigner occupier" in this holy land of Jews and Muslims, shows your intolerance and disrespect towards Islam and Muslims.

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Oh, really? So, I guess imposing Hindu rule, expulsion of all Muslims from Pakistan and Pakistan ceasing to exist should be an acceptable solution for the Indo-Pakistan problems for you. No massacres, right?
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Well, I don't know about India-Pakistan, but this HAS been the Zionist solution. They DID impose Zionist rule, and they DID expel Palestinians from their homes. The only difference between your imaginary scenario and Zionist terrorist regime is that this regime DID involve in massacres as well.

And now as far as India-Pakistan situation. Pakistanis are NOT foreigners in this land. We are the original inhabitants. This is unlike Zionist European foreigners like you.

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I mean the wars that the Arabs launched against Israel from the very first day of the Israeli independence.
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Israeli independence from WHOM?
Israel is an occupier and a foreigner in Middle East. Muslim reaction was expected. Zionists had declared war on Islam by occupying Islam's holy land.

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Stop attacking Israel, make peace, and you won't ever have to worry about Israel fighting back.
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Actually, it is Israel who has proven time and again that it does not want peace. There have been several attempts made by many Muslim countries to somehow manage some peace in the region, but Israel has bulldozed every effort. Because the Apartheid Regime lives on causing fear and intimidation. Even these days the Nutty Yahoo won't even listen to his American masters when Biden came to advance peace.

While many Muslim countries are trying to find a compromise, I personally think that there can not be a compromise with Zionist terrorists. Sure we can buy some time. But this regime would have to fall, so that people of all religion, including Muslims, Jews and Christians can live there peacefully and democratically.

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When there is a war, people are getting killed. On both sides. Such is the nature of wars, unfortunately. It seems though that only those instances when Israelis kill Muslims are noticed by you and invariably labeled "atrocities".

You've argued that Israel is so "bad" that it is very likely to use nukes if it has them. Well, Israel has had nukes for about 30 years, but yet has not used them despite its alleged "badness".

Because they don't know them either. Everything they wrote - they pulled it right out of their asses.

It's called considering feelings and beliefs of OTHER people. I understand that it might be a difficult concept to grasp.

Or maybe it is the Muslims who occupied the Jewish Holy land?
Anyway, this argument is rather typical. Apparently, once a land is deemed Holy for Muslims, the Muslim rule is the only one accepted there, regardless of the "holiness" of this land for other people and religions.

I don't see how it follows.
BTW, if you want to compare the situation with religious freedom, tolerance and treatment of the holy sites in the Holy Land under the Muslim vs the Zionist rule, the results will be very very much not in favor of the Muslims.

Oh, you mean like the India Muslim league who created Pakistan by imposing the Muslim rule and expelling Hindus and Sikhs from their homes?

From everybody else. That what independence usually means. But if you want to go into specifics, it was the British rule there right before the independence.

Even if you haven't read anything besides the Koran, you should have noticed that the Jews are Middle Eastern people, they lived in Middle East in the times of Muhammad, and long long before him as well.

The Land of Israel, specifically, is the cradle of the Jewish people, the place were the Jewish identity was born and the Jewish nation came to be. It takes a special kind of audacity to call the Jews foreigners in the Land of Israel.

I understand that some Muslims claim the entire Middle East, each and every piece of it, for themselves and only for themselves, but it's just egotistic chauvinism, nothing more.

Really, just several attempts? Israel has made countless peace offers to the Arabs and Muslims. All of them have been rejected. How come? Or is it only the Muslims who have the privilege to choose which offer to accept?

I have news for you. There is already a place in the Middle East where people of all religions, including Muslims, Jews, Christians, Baha'i, Druze, etc. live together in democracy. It's called the State of Israel.

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By your logic, when Hamas kills Israelis it is also "just war".

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What I mean is that war is always dirty and the loss of life is unavoidable. The only way to avoid it is not having wars. Not every death during a war though deserves the label "atrocity". It applies to both sides. One can argue that the war in general is an atrocity, but it is more of a philosophical statement. In practice, unfortunately, we have to deal with the reality of wars and can only try to make peace or, if impossible, to minimize the death among non-combatants.

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David Ben Gurion, the first Israeli Prime Minister on Pakistan
**“The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this
ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs. This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps
against Pakistan. Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work there from against Pakistan. It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.” **

bin gurion was a blustering clown who actually sealed israel’s fate and signed its own death warrants by giving this statement.

anyways heres a new.israel has started to induct midgets in its forces.
“Soldier as tall as M-16”

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5318/44370261.jpg

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You apparently don't know what you're talking about.

Aquaducts were first developed in the Middle East by the ancient Persians - cities like Babylon and Ctesiphon had access to running water through underground aquaducts called qanats, well before the Romans developed similar technology. During the Islamic period, Baghdad had running water and an effective sewage collecting system, as did Cairo. Damascus and Cordoba did too - but I'm sure you'll argue that these were just holdovers from Roman times, so I'll focus on cities they didn't construct. The Mughals brought this technology with them from Central Asia to the Subcontinent - Mughal Delhi and Agra had arrangements for running water as well. This is just what I can think of off the top of my head...I'm sure the list goes on.