Re: Cowardly Idf Soldiers, amazing clip
That is what I am saying. I dont think they were on a patrol, it seems that they were just walking through a street.
how does this make them cowards? they walking through what the locals claim and consider their land. a couple street thugs are making a noise and these two probably high teen guys run instead of shooting. They could easily have lost their cool and opened fire and killed a bunch!
the stupid woman clapping after that is the icing on the cake - is this how courage is being defined these days?
lol i think they almost wet their pants
That is what I am saying. I dont think they were on a patrol, it seems that they were just walking through a street.
That would make sense, if the soldiers didn't have their fingers on their safety. They are pretty much on patrol.
While we play all the band baja and jump up and down about the perceived cowardice of Israeli soldiers that
--- strenght of an army is defined by the size of their enemies and the outcome of wars with their enemies.
Based on that simple rule,
the so-called coward IDF has beat the cr@p of million man armies of the Arabs.
This is time to be humble and learn from Israelis. yes that's true.
Otherwise another big drubbing of the brave arabs is on the way, all thanks to the coward IDF.
This is in no way to support IDF actions against pooor haplesss and tribal jihadists.
This just a way to make Islamists realize the depth of doodoo they are in right now.
You would do well to to read your history...
First of all, not everyone fighting Israel is an "Islamist." The issue isnt so simple that you can smply label everyone involved an Islamist.
The people of the region have genuine grievances.
One thing that is clear in history however, is that super powers never stand the test of time. The Israelis can bark as loud as they like and bite as often as they want, but history tells us that eventually they to will sucumb to the weight of their own indiscretion. America wont be there forever, and the Arab wont be helpless for ever either.
Its the Israelis who should learn that the tide is against them. Ultimately they will fall one way or the other. How it wil happen and when I dont know. But nations like Israel, that live on the misery of others are destined to colapse.
This video is a great illustration of the fact. Take away all their guns and these Israelis will colapse like cowards. Then it will be they who commit cowardly acts of terror as their people return to exile.
Re: Cowardly Idf Soldiers, amazing clip
LOL
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POINT #1 One thing that is clear in history however, is that super powers never stand the test of time. The Israelis can bark as loud as they like and bite as often as they want, but history tells us that eventually they to will sucumb to the weight of their own indiscretion. America wont be there forever, .... ...
This is true. In order to remain at the top position (in anything) one has to constantly work hard and use his/her brains.
And the day she/he quits using the brain, quits innovating to face the ever-increasing and ever-changing world, he/she will lose the top position.
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POINT #2
..... and the Arab wont be help[less for ever either. ...
Well. the reverse logic of your point #1 is not ALWAYS true.
You can see that there are people all around the world who have always been helpless. They have never contributed scientifically, and never showed any strength even at the low level, let alone at the top of the world.
Case in point.
Arab-Islamic heartland aka Makkah and Madina have NOT produced anything innovative or scientifically significant in the last 1200 years (if not more).
Native Indians in the USA have never ever ruled large tracts of land.
Many parts of Africa have been dark for 10s of 1000s of years without ever coming up in a significant way.
In summary!
your point #1 is very valid
but
point #2 is totally invalid.
This is true. In order to remain at the top position (in anything) one has to constantly work hard and use his/her brains.
And the day she/he quits using the brain, quits innovating to face the ever-increasing and ever-changing world, he/she will lose the top position.
Well. the reverse logic of your point #1 is not ALWAYS true.
You can see that there are people all around the world who have always been helpless. They have never contributed scientifically, and never showed any strength even at the low level, let alone at the top of the world.
Case in point.
Arab-Islamic heartland aka Makkah and Madina have NOT produced anything innovative or scientifically significant in the last 1200 years (if not more).
Native Indians in the USA have never ever ruled large tracts of land.
Many parts of Africa have been dark for 10s of 1000s of years without ever coming up in a significant way.
In summary!
your point #1 is very valid
but
point #2 is totally invalid.
They can do whatever they like. All oppresive empires have destroyed themselves. Inovation or no innovation, one way or the other, they always die.
Second point.
You pointed out that the "Arab-Islamic heartland aka Makkah and Madina have NOT produced anything innovative or scientifically significant in the last 1200 years (if not more)."
This is complete nonsense.
First of all, you constradict yourself.
You said some weak nations or people are ALWAYS weak. Implying they never have had any power. But here you imply that while the Arabs havent been inovative for some time, they were at some point. So no, they werrent ALWAYS weak as you put it. We know the Arabs were invoative and very clever. How else would they have conquered all of North Africa, Middle East, and up to Iran etc.
Secondly, most Muslim inovation did not come from Makkah or Medina, it came from subsequent empires. Baghdad was recognized global center of leraning, Moorish Spain etc etc.
Native American did rule large tracts. Ever heard of the Apache Nation? The Navajo Nation? These people were all over the Americas. Ofcourse, many Native Americans also felt that no one man could own land. Just because their concept of ruling over a territory doesnt fit into your assesment doesnt mean they were weak.
America was able to subdue these people ofcourse because they practically wiped them out. They murdered them en masse. It was real genocide. They were weak in the sense that they did not have the weapons or the numbers to compete with the Americans. But America has often been injust. The fact that it has survived to this day is because to some level, they have been forced to change. They have made some amends for their crimes.
Africans... They have also had empires. Do some study on the issue. Just because they seem primitive to you doesnt mean they havent contributed...
And regardless, why do you assume they never will be rise up and make name for themselves?
There are a number of African countries that are doing relatively well today.
Just because you have bias towards Blacks doesnt change this fact.
There are many more examples of people who were oppressed and weak who rose and became nations and empires...
Europe was in the dark ages from the fall of Rome around 476, all the way up to the 13-1400's. Thats nearly 1000 years!
The Chinese who were at the top of their game were thousands of years were being humbled by Japanese and humiliated by the British.
The Japanese were forced to open ports to let in Americans.
Indian empires once stretched across the subcontinent to Afghanistan, only to be invaded by Muslims, Huns, etc, the British, and now they seem to be doing well again.
Iran once had an empire stetching from India to Afghanistan to Egypt. Today its a puria state.
And ofcourse, the Jews, who went from being conquered to to conwueror to conquered to conqueror once again...
The bottom line is that history is fluid, not static. Things change.
You dont expect them because your field of vision is limited by your mortality.
Change is often so gradual, it takes hundreds of years to become evident.
There are hints now that the Muslim world is starting to awaken somewhat, but it will take a while. At the end of the day however, you have a Jewish nation in a sea of Muslims, which is useing force to subdue everyone around it.
How long do you think this will last?
Far stronger empires have colapsed with far less stresses. Eventually the Israelis will find themselves on the losing side. They can bomb as many people as they like, but history tells us that oppressive nations either have to change, or they are destroyed completely.
....All oppresive empires have destroyed themselves.
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So you say that "non-oppressive empires" do not destroy themselves?
Were the Islamic empires oppressive too? Because they are "deader than the door knob" at the moment.
.... You pointed out that the "Arab-Islamic heartland aka Makkah and Madina have NOT produced anything innovative or scientifically significant in the last 1200 years (if not more)." This is complete nonsense. ..
Well show us then the list of scientific, artistic, literary innovations since 600 AD?
Islamic “empires” are not dead.. First of all your point is flying all over the place… Its diffcult to understand what you are saying.
Which Islamic empire are you referring to? Was there ever really an Islamic empire?
What I am talking about is Muslim society, as it exists from Europe to Asia etc.
Muslims are still around and even though they are down and out, doesnt mean they will remain that way. But mant Muslim dominated countries are showing signs of awakening. Malaysia is touted to be a front runner to join the ranks of the developed countries in a few decades. The Emirates are shinning, with amazing projects all over the place.
Many Muslim countries are poised to join the to ranks.
I suppose you would consider India as being among the inovators.. But did you know that countries like Iran, Egypt, Turkey, Malaysia, among other Muslim countries all have better literacy rates then India?
Other empires have been down and out aswell. China which was an inovator well over a thousand years before the Europeans, and now look at it. It took the Centuries to regain any sort of status.
Now I dont think you have read any of your history… Are u seriously joking about no inovatio in the Muslim world 600 AD?
Beta, you need to educate yourself. Im sorry. Here is a list.
How Islamic inventors changed the world - Science, News - The Independent
1001 Inventions | 1001 Inventions
After 600 AD.
And no Articstic achevments?
Seriously Burqa, you need to educate yourself..
Getting back to the point, when I said some cultures are weak I wasnt refering to their art scene. Im referring to their strength economically, politically, and militarily. Now Muslims may not be all that strong compared to Israel and their patron the US. But times change. If history has taught us anything its that those who are weak today may be the opposite tomorow.
. After 600 AD. And no Articstic achevments? ..
CAlm down. Everyone can do google and cut and paste.
Show the scientific / literary / arts achievements from the Islamic heartland Makka and Madina from 600 AD.
That's all.
We'll discuss other areas later.
Since you tie the religion to your analysis of the past and the future, these
questions are raised to make you think why?
there have not been any achievements by the people living in the area now known as Saudi Arabia.
got it?
Dont forget the Toilet-paper, next time you're out on Patrol.
lmao.
CAlm down. Everyone can do google and cut and paste.
Show the scientific / literary / arts achievements from the Islamic heartland Makka and Madina from 600 AD.
That's all.
We'll discuss other areas later.
Since you tie the religion to your analysis of the past and the future, these
questions are raised to make you think why?
there have not been any achievements by the people living in the area now known as Saudi Arabia.
got it?
Im extremely calm. Im just astounded by your lack of historical insight...
600 AD Mecca and Madina? What the hell are you even talking about?
I honestly dont know what you are talking about. Your point?
What empire are you referring too? Mecca and Madina are holy cities in Islam, but the empires that are accociated with the greatest innovation in Islamic art and science were those centered in the cities of Baghdad, Moorish Spain, among other cities.
I just gave a you long list of achievements made by Muslims after 600 AD. Infact, your assertion that there were no great innovations in art and science in the Muslim world after the founding of Islam is ridiculous beyond belief.
Who cares about Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia is not every Muslims aba. There is not such thing as an Islamic heartland. Saudi Arabia doesn't represent the entire Muslim world. The success or failure of the Saudi state is in no way significant or relevant to the premise of this discussion. Im actually dissapointed that you have such a simplistic view of the Muslim world.
My point was that despite the fact that many Muslim countries are less then ideal in terms of scientific achevements, does not mean they will remain so forever. Even Saudi Arabia may one day rise to be a great innovator as you call it.
Point is, dont count anyone out just because they are weak today. History is dynamic. Those who are conquered today may well be conquerers tommorow. So Israel would do well to watch itself. Or the situation may well blow up in their faces one day.
CAlm down. Everyone can do google and cut and paste.
We'll discuss other areas later.
Since you tie the religion to your analysis of the past and the future, these
I didnt tie religion into my analysis of the past or the future... You failed to grasp a simple point it seems.
You seem to have an inherent bias for anyone who is Muslim and doesnt agree with you. But that wouldnt have been the case if you had actually read my statemnt insted of arrogantly dismissing the entire thing and then repeating the same pointless nonsense you started with.
The point is a very simple one.
I repeat. History has shown that those who are weak can become strong, and those that are strong eventually collapse and are conquered. Its happened repeatedly in history.
So countries like ISRAEL that employ force and brutal oppression to get their way, may eventually find they are over run just like all similar oppressive nations before them.
Wooowww
...... You seem to have an inherent bias for anyone who is Muslim and doesnt agree with you....... .....
Incorrect!
Just trying to point out those who want to sell "snake oil" in the name of our beautiful religion.
You still haven't been able to answer that the modern day Saudi Arabia aka birthplace of Islam has not been able to produce anything significant scientifically or in literature or art
for the last frigging 1200 years.
Any answer?
......... I repeat.
History has shown that those who are weak can become strong, and those that are strong eventually collapse and are conquered. Its happened repeatedly in history....
there is no need to repeat!
History has also shown that nomadic primitive tribes do not progress until they become civilized.
The more tribal a culture is, the more depraved and downtrodden it is, regardless of the amount of natural wealth they may have.
History also shows that people become civilized by copying aka imitating the advanced nations of their time.
And those who follow the advance nations of the time, eventually take over when the nation #1 falls.
Thus in the current atmosphere when Americans may lose their top spot,
then those who are closely following behind such as Germany, France, China, Japan, S. Korea etc. would take over.
But rest assured, the dimwit tribes from Yemen, Somalia, or Afghanistan would not be taking the top place.
Got it?
Burqa your really wasting my time here..
No one is selling snake oil . I never mentioned Islam. You just dont seem to comprehend the point, and so you assume its me defending Islam, when in fact I never mentioned Islam the religion. So the problem is your reading comprehension, not me supposedly selling you snake oil.
Saudi Arabia is NOT the birthplace of Islam.
Saudi Arabia did not exist at the founding of Islam.. 
Saudi Arabia couldnt possibly produce any scientific papers because Saudi Arabia DID NOT EXIST!
Again… You are missing the point.
You obviously have never read ANY of your history.
YES societies, tribal or otherwise DO progress and become 'civilized" as you so crudely put it, whatever that means. And that was precisely my point.
The Muslims have gone beyond tribalism in the past, to adopt a more global perspective. That is why we have so many different kinds of Muslims. Because the Arabs stopped seeing themselves as tribes and say themselves as an ummah. That is how nomadic Arabs were able to unify into a single force and create an empire that at its height stretched from Spain to India and to the borders of Russia.
You point is null and void because you dont know what you are talking about. You not making much sense at all.
Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with the premise of the whole debate.
But if it helps, I can tell you that much of the advancements that occurred during the time, occurred in the REGION in which the modern state of Saudi Arabia is located. But Saudi Arabia is as much an inheritor of the legacy of the original Muslims as Pakistan and Indonesia..
Now just try to read one line a at a time and stop confusing yourself by going off on uninformed tangents the way you do.
And save your racist garbage for some other forum. Those dimwit tribes are what you came from… Tribes are what created empires, we were all once tribes. And there is no reason for you to insult anyones culture or society, as they have as much of a chance to progress to greatness as you do. Your bigoted view of the world is not shared by or validated by history or fact.
And I can tell you that once the US falls, then perhaps the Europeans or CHinese will rise, but there is no telling who will rise after that. Your 2 dimensional view of history not withstanding.
Tell me this, who will prop up Israel without America?
Incorrect!
Just trying to point out those who want to sell "snake oil" in the name of our beautiful religion.
You still haven't been able to answer that the modern day Saudi Arabia aka birthplace of Islam has not been able to produce anything significant scientifically or in literature or art
for the last frigging 1200 years.
Any answer?
there is no need to repeat!
History has also shown that nomadic primitive tribes do not progress until they become civilized.
The more tribal a culture is, the more depraved and downtrodden it is, regardless of the amount of natural wealth they may have.
History also shows that people become civilized by copying aka imitating the advanced nations of their time.
And those who follow the advance nations of the time, eventually take over when the nation #1 falls.
Thus in the current atmosphere when Americans may lose their top spot,
then those who are closely following behind such as Germany, France, China, Japan, S. Korea etc. would take over.
But rest assured, the dimwit tribes from Yemen, Somalia, or Afghanistan would not be taking the top place.
Got it?
First you say that no tribal society could ever progress.
But there have been countless examples of tribal societies that have progressed.
The Romans, the Israelites, the Germans, the French, the Spanish, the Arabs, the Mongols...
Most of the great empires of the world were created by Tribals...
But I guess since in your historical narrative, tribals could never creat empires so Rome never existed, and the Mongols never existed, etc etc.
Oh wait, they must have adopted "civilized" manners ad advanced that way...
So if tribals could do it in the past, what makes you think the same will not happen again with the "dimwitted" tribes of Somalia and Afghanistan?!?!
... Oh wait, they [tribals] must have adopted "civilized" manners ad advanced that way... ..!
You got it dude!
Anyone calling Romans form Roman empire as "tribals" need to go and get his/her head examined by a competent Western trained shrink.
Romans "civil" advancements were such that no one could emulate them until the modern European empires.
Let me give you just one example along these lines and then hopefully you will no longer think Romans were "tribals" hahahhahahahha.
No true civilization can claim to be first rate until they figure out how to supply clean water in their cities.
Romans did it.
And only one Islamic empire aka Ottomans had running water in Istanbul. And the reason!
Romans had already design and constructed that system. However kudos to Ottomans that they at least maintained it.
No Mogul empire or African or Middle Eastern empire had running water and indoor plumbing even for the upper crust of the society.
Your full of sh1t Burqa.. You really have absolutely no idea what your talking about… You use the word Tribal as a catch phrase without actually knowing what it means.
All societies and empires started out as tribes of people.
So all tribals have the potential to become great societies…
The Romans were a tribe of people genius. They formed a city state which later progressed to an empire. I didnt say they were inferior, I said that ALL people were of tribes at one time. Humanity consisted of tribes of people who migrated to different parts of the world.
I already gave you a list of accomplishments from the Muslim world, just as you had asked. And all you gave me is this garbage about tribals. Go to a university and talk to real professors about the Islamic world and its contributions.
Everyone acknowledges this fact.
Again… Simple point.
All societies and empires started out as tribes of people.
So all tribals have the potential to become great societies…
Romans were tribals who created an empire, the ottomon Turks were tribes of people who built an Empire, the Arab Muslims were a tribe of people who built an empire…
And in the future, other tribal people will rise up and become great societies, as has happened throughout history. So nations that oppress people such as Israel, should realize that while the Palestinians may be tribal as you describe them, they may not be like that forever..
Now stop wasting my time with your garbage. Spouting words you dont know the meaning of, such as “tribal,” doesnt make you look intelligent. It only makes you look like a talking head with no brain behind it.
Here again is a list of scientific accomplishments of the Muslims world. (Its Wiki, but you can cross refrence some of this stuff if you like to varify its authenticity.)
Timeline of science and engineering in the Islamic world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And by the way, the Romans inherited their engineering skills from the Greeks, who were also a tribal people who formed city states… History is apparently FILLED with tribal societies that became great empires. I guess you dont know what your talking about after all.
All societies and empires started out as tribes of people.
So all tribals have the potential to become great societies…
Water engineering is your sole criteria for whether you consider a society “tribal” or not?
So the multitude of other inventions and innovations have absolutely no impact on you?
:hehe:
Anyways, educate yourself. Your ignorance is an embarrassment to educated people everywhere…