Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Ok great that's his *(P.B.U,H.) * daughter. He himself did not marry any cousins.
I hope you got the point.
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Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Yes you're right Quran and hadith doesn't quote anything specific to this topic so I should've said it's our scholars who says rather Islam but still there is nothing wrong with it** because they said it based on facts that it's preferable to marry your cousins because you know their background and each and everything about them.** I disagreed with you because you said you're against it and it's like brother and sister relation, so can you prove it first?
Er no.. that's not them saying it, that's you saying it's better and why you think so..
And there are references to the topic..
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Yes you're right Quran and hadith doesn't quote anything specific to this topic so I should've said it's our scholars who says rather Islam but still there is nothing wrong with it because they said it based on facts that it's preferable to marry your cousins because you know their background and each and everything about them. I disagreed with you because you said you're against it and it's like brother and sister relation, so can you prove it first?
I feel your cousins are like your brother and sister. They are blood relatives from maternal and paternal sides. People you grow up calling bhai and behan; you one day end up marrying. It is not like there is a shortage of women that you must consider your cousin first. If my cousin was Aishwarya Rai i still wouldn't marry (even though i am a massive Aishwarya admirer but it is a matter of principal).
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
He was referring to the hasty and incorrect assumption that Rasool SAW did not marry any of his daughters to cousins. I only knew of Hazrat Fatima's marriage to a relative, but after searching on Google today I learned that his SAW's other daughters (all of them) were married to cousins. However, I have also read that while it's permissible, it's preferable to marry outside to expand social connections.
Yes, that's true..
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Er no.. that's not them saying it, that's you saying it's better and why you think so..
And there are references to the topic..
Why would I say that? I'm not an Islamic scholar or Imam. I said what I saw on hum tv Ramazan transmission program, Rehmat e Ramazan and the scholar is Moulana Kokab Noorani. I'll provide the link also but have to go through a lot of episodes.
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
I don’t know for sure but I have heard that when it comes to marriage, there is a hadith that you should look outside your family. In islam, there are four criterions like you could look at the wealth, family, beauty and religion of the person and religion should be the most important one.
A lot of these uk marriages are forced marriages, so I don’t even know if they are islamic to begin with?
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Hazrat Fatima (RA) was not the only daughter of Rasool SAWS to marry a cousin. I have read that his other daughters also married cousins.
Hazrat Fatima (RA) **didn't marry her **cousin. Hazrat Ali ibn Ali Talib was the cousin of Our Prophet (PBUH).
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Hazrat Fatima (RA) **didn't marry her **cousin. Hazrat Ali ibn Ali Talib [KW] was the cousin of Our Prophet (PBUH).
TRUE...thanx for pointing that out to our GS members. :)
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
A lot of these uk marriages are forced marriages, so I don't even know if they are islamic to begin with?
Living in the UK, I've noticed this as well as it's quite often in the news. I agree that many of those marriages are un-Islamic as they are forced marriages (which I'm sure we can all agree is un-Islamic). Many of these forced marriages are not about genuinely finding a decent spouse, or even about the marriage itself, but about bringing extended relatives over to the UK. I've also noticed that most of the families that are like the ones described in the article, where they only marry within the family and this goes on for generations, are mirpuri. That isn't to say it only happens in their families, but it seems to be more common.
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Hazrat Fatima (RA) **didn't marry her **cousin. Hazrat Ali ibn Ali Talib[FONT=sans-serif]was the cousin of Our Prophet (PBUH).
TRUE...thanx for pointing that out to our GS members. :)
Your first cousin's child is referred to as "first cousin once removed." So, let's say that one of your first cousins has a child....a son or daughter.....she/he is your first-cousin-once removed. So, whether or not you marry him/her doesn't matter.....but the fact remains that you both are still cousins.
Hazrat Ali RA was Rasool SAWS's first cousin.....as in their fathers were brothers, so that makes Hazrat Ali RA and Hazrat Fatima RA first cousins once removed.
There are degrees of cousins.....such as first cousins, second cousins, third, etc etc. You and the oh-so-certain KKF can google the exact relation b/w Hazrat Ali RA and Hazrat Fatima RA.
With us Desis.....if a cousin has a child....we see the kid as our niece or nephew. And we refer to ourselves as a khala/phuppo/mamoo etc.....but the actual relation is a degree of cousins.
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
The American definition of first cousin and the definition of a desi first cousin are different.
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Learned that the hard way! Got a bunch of questions wrong on a genetics test in 8th grade biology. The teacher and I argued for a while before we realized the Pakistani concept of cousins is different.
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Ok great that's his daughter. He himself did not marry any cousins.
The Prophet's wife hazrat Zainab bing Jahsh was the Prophet (pbuh) wife. You really dnt know much about Islamic history and go around claiming your views as facts.
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I feel your cousins are like your brother and sister. They are blood relatives from maternal and paternal sides. People you grow up calling bhai and behan; you one day end up marrying. It is not like there is a shortage of women that you must consider your cousin first. If my cousin was Aishwarya Rai i still wouldn't marry (even though i am a massive Aishwarya admirer but it is a matter of principal).
again you are basing your assumptions on your upbringing and applying them to everyone. I am from a very strict Islamic family and we never mixed with male cousins. In fact I haven't seen most of them. To me they are not my brother, they are na-meharam men and in Islam it's allowed to marry them. Nothing to do with shortage or excess of women and men. It's whatmy religion and culture allows me to do.
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Your first cousin's child is referred to as "first cousin once removed." So, let's say that one of your first cousin's has a child....a son or daughter.....she/he is your first-cousin-once removed. So, whether or not you marry him/her doesn't matter.....but the fact remains that you both are STILL cousins.
Hazrat Ali RA was Rasool SAWS's first cousin.....as in their fathers were brothers, so that makes Hazrat Ali RA and Hazrat Fatima RA first cousins once removed.
There are degrees of cousins.....such as first cousins, second cousins, third, etc etc. You and the oh-so-certain KKF can google the exact relation b/w Hazrat Ali RA and Hazrat Fatima RA.
With us Desis.....if a cousin has a child....we see the kid as our niece or nephew. And we refer to ourselves as a khala/phuppo/mamoo etc.....but the actual relation is a degree of cousins.
The term cousin is generally used for first cousin. I am familiar with second, third cousin but first time read about the concept of first cousin once removed. Otherwise I didn't say anything different than what you pointed out. Hazrat Ali was Prophet's first cousin. In any of the books I've read and even on google the relationship of Hazrat Ali is always defined as cousin and son-in-law of Prophet (PBUH).
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Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Wow. I thought my Islamiyat wasn't that great.
Few responses in this thread and it's apparent that those who like to stand on an Islamic high ground and look down their nose at people, don't really know much about Islamic history at all.
If people want to use the Quran, hadith or Islam in general to support any arguments in threads, could you guys please always reference it?
It seems like it isn't beyond some people here to put "Fact:" before any statement they please.
Kuch khuda ka khauf karo.
Here's an ACTUAL fact: a couple of you guppans have no idea what you're talking about.
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
Look it up on Sunnipath..
Also FULL references (supporting hadiths and rulings) have been posted here on GS before.. Use your brain and do a search..
Since when should the people reading the comments look up the references?
That's like handing in a report and telling your Teachers/Supervisors/Lectuers/Professors "FULL references can be found online. Use your brain and do a search"
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
lo g… hazrat ali (RA) was prophet’s (SAW) chacha k baita.. son of abu talib… so how is prophet’s daughter and hazrat ali not cousins?? 
Re: Cousin marriages- yay or nay in this day and age.
again you are basing your assumptions on your upbringing and applying them to everyone. I am from a very strict Islamic family and we never mixed with male cousins. In fact I haven't seen most of them. To me they are not my brother, they are na-meharam men and in Islam it's allowed to marry them. Nothing to do with shortage or excess of women and men. It's whatmy religion and culture allows me to do.
I am not basing my assumptions on my upbringing and applying them to everyone. **I am referring to myself and have through out this topic (I suggest you refer to my earlier input for reference). I did not question that this was not allowed in Islam, I asked a member to **prove we must consider relatives first for marriage and he couldn't from the Quran and 6 books of hadith. Are you telling me in this day and age, you have not spoke to a single na mehram man at School; College; University; At work; Shop assistant etc. I don't think it's possible to avoid interaction with a male/female no matter how strictly you follow Islam.