Couple stoned to death in Fata

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http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/02/top4.htm

GHALANAI, April 1: A man and a woman were stoned to death by militants in Khwezai-Baezai area on Monday after a ‘qazi court’ found them guilty of adultery.

This is the first incident of Rajam (stoning to death) carried out in Fata. Earlier, couples found guilty of adultery by militants or tribesmen were executed by firing squads.

The woman, identified as Shano from Mohmand Agency, had allegedly eloped with Daulat Khan Malikdeenkhel of Bara on March 15.

Dr Asad, a spokesman for the militants, told Dawn that Shano was a married woman living in Peshawar’s Deen Bahar colony.

He said a complaint had been received from her family that she had been abducted by Daulat Khan. But later it was reported that she had eloped with him.

He said that some members of the Taliban movement captured them in Nowshera when they were returning from Karachi.

He said the qazi found the couple guilty of adultery and sentenced them to death by stoning and the sentence was carried out in Khwaezai-Baezai, about 40 kms west of the Mohmand Agency’s headquarters Ghalanai.

The body of the woman was laid to rest in the same area by some local people. The man’s body was taken to the hospital and handed over to his relatives.

So Taliban courts are still flourishing in FATA. Is this Islamic way of dealing with this kind of an issue?

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^ your point is Taliban flourishing in FATA or whether its Islamic or not?

*Eloping*
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omg.. animals.

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Sad indeed !

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Whats missing from this article is how it was determined that they committed adultery meaning the actual act of intercourse i.e. eye witnesses, confessions etc. There would be other issues to discuss but lets leave that for later.

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Pakistani courts or Jirga's - Insaaf ka chance = nil!

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This is most inhuman act in 21st century for the crime they might have committed. But perhaps this is the tradition of tribals practicing since centuries and no one can change it except people who follow this tradition. This topic is mostly related to Relegion rather than Politics and Economics.

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First make up your minds folks...

(a) are you against punishments prescribed by Allah in the Quran (rajam, beheading, cutting of limbs etc), or
(b) are you just against this particular incident because of suspicions that the court did not investigate the "crime" fully?

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** [FONT=Times New Roman]The Punishment for Adultery is 100 Lashes**

[FONT=Times New Roman]The penalty for adultery is not stoning to death unless the convict is a hardened and habitual sinner who is a perpetual disturber of peace of the society. Qur’an clearly spells out the related law; “The woman and the man guilty of unlawful sex (adultery or fornication), flog each of them with a hundred stripes; let not compassion move you in their case in a matter prescribed by Allah if ye believe in Allah and the Last day; and let a party of the believers witness their punishment”. (24:2)

[FONT=Times New Roman]Please quote this Ayat to FATA Qazi.

;) Choose A Profession 4 Above Person ;)
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^ The ayat that you quoted talks about "woman and the man guilty of unlawful sex".

Where did you get the bit about "hardened and habitual sinner"?

The way I read it, you do it once, or you do it a hundred times, the punishment is the same.

Anyway, back to my original question:
i(a) are you against punishments prescribed by Allah in the Quran (rajam, beheading, cutting of limbs etc), or
(b) are you just against this particular incident because of suspicions that the court did not investigate the "crime" fully?

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great question. I bet you wont see a response for 1-2 hrs.

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I don't know whether he is against these punishments or not but I personally can never endorse to this kind of punishments. These are barbaric, brutal and totally inhuman. Those sadists who inflict this kind of pain on someone, even if he has committed a crime, should be sent to a psychiatrist.

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I'll pick (b). Given the severity of the punishment, I would think it was necessary to be absolutely sure of the circumstances. Also, I think it would be wrong to punish someone who repents sincerely. That said, I think severe punishment is a very good deterrent, but enforcing it wholly and uncompromisingly is very typically the tribal extremist's mindset. Not everyone can be a judge and that's exactly why jigra (everyone judging together) doesn't work.

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I agree.


So, should we go by Pakap's "thinking" or should we follow the commands of Allah as given in the Quran. You tell us?? Do we see evidence from the conduct of the Messenger (Peace by upon him) that he let go people unpunished, who repented? Or did he enforce Allah's punishments?


Lets see what Allah orders us in the Quran, as quoted above "let not compassion move you in their case in a matter prescribed by Allah if ye believe in Allah and the Last day". Hmm... so should Pakap's thinking trump Allah's orders?


So, who should be the judge? Should humans give any punishment in this world, or should everything be left for Allah to decide in the hereafter?

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By the way, I have no problem if you have your own "free thinking" ideas, that run contrary to Islamic rulings. What you think, and how you will defend yourself on the Day of Judgement in front of your Creator is your own business.

My only comment will be that if your "thinking" runs contrary to Islamic rulings, then to expect muslims (who are the predominant number on this forum) to follow your thinking, simply because it sounds more reasonable under our secular-modern mind-sets, and IGNORE Islamic rulings by Allah, would be a stretch. Yes, some would say "wah wah" and "completely agree", but there will be others who'd say "hell, no. If Allah made a ruling in the Quran, which is unambiguous, then there is a good reason for that, and we should follow it, if we are muslims".

Just as some Islamic laws make you scratch your head and you say "I don't quite agree with it", there are some secular laws that are equally mind-boggling to some people. For example, I always have trouble understanding the logic of fining adults who don't wear seat belts. I think if someone is not hurting someone else, and wants to put himself at risk, thats his problem. Why should the state fine that person. But wearing seat belt is the law, if you break it, and are fined, you better pay it, whether you agree with the law/punishment or not. Simple concept, right?

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A more profound question would be, should be judge a religion, based on how our mind (and concious) sees good and evil. Or we should let the religion define what good and evil is.

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Now you have gone so far in a philosophical pursuit (with a possible typo thrown in for good measure), even I have no clue what the question is, any more - forget any answers! :hmmm:

do you look into the mirror?
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thts just brutal.

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Lastly, Id like to draw a distinction. There are two types of sin. One that is disobeying Gods will, and the other that infringes upon the rights of another person. The disobeying of Gods rules, is a matter between God and the person who commits the sin, and if he repents sincerely, and since God has said he forgives sincere repenter, the matter is closed because the person is absolved of the crime. The crime against the person, that only the victim can forgive, and if the victim doesn't, then the victim has the right to demand punishment (eye for an eye).

The "victim" of adultery is most probably the immediate families of the culprits, (they reputation is damaged). I don't know how they are repatriated by then having their loved ones toned to death.

Of course, should the adultery show no remorse and cause their families grief that they are not willing to forgive, then the punishment should be enacted.

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Islam doesn't allow people to be stoned without a proof of the act being comitted. This is a complete mockery of Islamic Laws by self declared "Moral" Police.

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