Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

for that we will have to wait until elections. I guess if there is rigging and the elections are not fair and transparent. we might be back to march 2008. Fakruddin Sahib has ensured time and time again that he will make sure elections are free, fair and transparent. but certainly not an easy task to achieve this. Let's see what happens.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

I dont think so, thats what his intentions are. he is just saying that likes of RM, and many others who are not sincere to their country do not deserve to hold public offices, I see nothing wrong with that. its just PPP and MQM who are not siding with SC and what Fakruddin is saying. National assembly and senate both refused to obey court orders.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

are you saying that full Pakistanis are not as hardworking as those who reside outside Pakistan? That's sweeping generalization.

from what I see he is refering to Parliamentries, who are actually more loyal to other countries than Pakistan.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

did you have any doubt??

he also says

"us" pakistanis don't want to represnt "you" pakistanis...........

funny that he is offended at being called 'half' when he himself draws a huge distinction with words like ''us'' and ''you''..

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

I think alot of people have misquoted this guy. he is merely pointing out to those parliamentries who are dual nationals. though, I agree he could have used dual national instead of this term "half Pakistani" . hence the confusion.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

Well, I can speak for myself only, and to answer to your question is no. In fact, I was defending GoP for levying additional taxes on incoming calls because expats can afford to and should pay more for these services.

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I was referring to your comment (below) implying that somehow those Pakistanis who acquire another nationality are innately much more hardworking, honest and educated than those who do not. Your comment was condescending to over 170 million Pakistanis living there.
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I have met expats almost in every walk of life in the west. From the gas stations clerks, to students, lawyers, judges, doctors and accountants. I have met students working at nights and going to school during the day time...they are some of the most honest and hardworking people I have ever come across. At the sometime, I have also met "pure" Pakistanis, and with my limited exposure to them, I can't say I had pleasant experience with them, especially those people at the airports in Pakistan.

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I agree that 'half-Pakistani' might not be good term to describe dual-nationality holders but that doesn't mean that you start degrading those who have nothing to do with this debate.
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I wasn't degrading anyone & those were light-hearted comments. I'm sorry that so many people took it the wrong way.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

Actually, its the other way around. When GoP needs scientists, engineers or other high skills workers it always looks for "half" Pakistanis. Btw, have you ever wondered why govt doesn't appoint madrassa grads to run state bank of nuclear power plants?

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

What you experienced was a dysfunctional, corrupt system. The real Pakistanis have little power to change that system. Many real Pakistanis can't even read Urdu(the public education system is in ruins), so how can they be expected to make smart informed decisions when voting, or fight to change a system they don't even understand. You or your parents(mine too) were privileged enough to have had the financial resources and education required to move abroad .That education plays a big part in shaping the work ethic and attitude of those expats you're praising.

You're criticizing all Pakistanis for what a fool said about dual-nationals. I bet he doesn't give a dam about Pakistan, all he cares about is getting elected again, so he can loot and plunder some more.

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This is confusing me:bummer:, every time I read this I think of the Grand Old Party :slight_smile:

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

He is not a politician but a retired judge.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

wow, wasn't expecting this from you.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

Those who do not have anyone in pakistan....also send money to pakistan?

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^ most of the people abroad, do have family ties back in Pakistan.

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The law courts are extremely inefficient, hence he's not good at his job either. Besides I'm guessing he gets plenty of bribes to influence the cases he judges. Saray aik hi thali kay chattay battay hain.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

is that the reason of bad performance of govt institutes. I think this point has nothing to do with politics as a lot of pakistani firms are being managed by foriegners(not pakistani), chen one, master tiles are two examples I know. I respect daul-nationalty holder pakistanis but a bit of arogance in this thread made me comment.

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SK not addressing the points i raised :rotfl: as expected.

expatriats are better human beings in all respects, yet no reason behind it, and refutation to the fact that its the system in west that causes that.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

what an immature comment is that? what about hiring a medical doctor to execute a construction project? or hiring a cobbler to stich your clothes? talk about "smarter half-pakistani"

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

this is plain and simple. a dual national takes oath of protecting and serving for the interests of the country they choose to become national of. in case of [XYZ]BCDs its different, but in case of people who became dual national fully consciously, knowing what oath they are taking. Now let’s say such a person ran in election, became a member of parliament, now s/he will come across numerous instances where they will be taking decisions critical to security and future of their county [which may be against the interest of the other country they are national of], now which country are they going to protect? If they choose to serve the interest of their country of birth (Pakistan) they are going against the oat they took when becoming national of another country. How are our “half-pakistani” friends (lolz) defending this? How come such a person be honest at all? Who intentionally does against his oath.
No hard feeling guys, you are all welcome to vote for anyone you like, but if you want to get elected yourself, surrender the other nationality, and you are most welcome to run in election, if the love for the country and temptation to run in election why not surrender the other nationality? If other nationality is so important, why cry for not being allowed to run in election? Doesn’t make sense at all.

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As far Chen one is concerned I think it's a Pakistani company, owned by actress iffat Raheem if I am not wrong. Don't know much about master tiles.

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Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim

This is a tricky issue. If you are giving dual nationality holders the right to vote in a general election then it would be wrong to prevent dual citizens from holding public offices

but

I believe that dual nationality office-bearers (infact all public office holders) should be legally bound to remain in the country for a certain period of time (say 3-5 years) after the end of their tenure to ensure accountability against them (so that any alleged abuses of power can be thoroughly investigated and punished according to law)

Otherwise people like Moeen Qureshi and Shaukat Aziz w'd just run straight back to where they came from