Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
I respect Fakhruddin G Ibrahim as a great judge, and trust him to help conduct the best (free & fair) elections the country has seen its tumultuous history. I think we should give him some leeway in the term “half Pakistanis” he used as we know which half Pakistanis he meant (Shaukat Aziz, Moeen Qureshi,Rahman Malik & Ambassador Haqqani etc).
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Actually, its the other way around. When GoP needs scientists, engineers or other high skills workers it always looks for "half" Pakistanis. Btw, have you ever wondered why govt doesn't appoint madrassa grads to run state bank of nuclear power plants?
I think the matter is quite different than what you brought about just very respeccted and highly skilled workers being asked to serve for Pakistan.
A lot of countries do ask highly skilled individuals in their fields to come and work for them and Pakistan should not be regarded as the only one taking the benefit of wordwide spread knowledge. If Pakistan asks for these individuals for their experties then so what?
They may get paid for their services and even if not paid, they are the citizens of or ex-patriates of Pakistan.
That means, they may have had basic and even primary school education from Pakistan and left the country for one or more reasons and might not even have paid their dues to the country when they became eligible for foreign education.
Not criticizing them for leaving here. But What I am saying that so what if Pakistan asks them to help Pakistan?
Now, does this mean they should go ahead and run the country?
Why should there be a person with dual nationality be allowed to run the country?
These questions are valid and answer very well be no.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
^ thats open to debate, many educated people have also left Pakistan because of better training and qualification opportunities. The salaries and inflation in the country are not catching up, and with the passage of time, even the basic neccesities are getting out of hand (like Petrol, electricity and gas). Pakistani doctors, engineers and management professionals are present all around the western world. The way Punjab government is treating the doctors is in front of every one, they’ll also leave when ever they find the opportunity.
On the other hand this is what Shahbaz Sharif is saying:
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Indeed it is open to debate when it comes to expatriates.
Here the discussion I think is on the political governance.
Pure Pakistani are the best candidates for that. That is what I think the Ex-CJ said and he has a valid point.
By all means open a thread on Ex-Patriates and their contribution or potential contribution otherwise.
Also what Shamraz Khan said about the comparision between ex-pats and Local Pakistanis (or any person from similar/comparable third world country) in terms of hard work and honesty is also open to further discussion.
In short I would simply say the honesty and hard work can be everyone’s quality but it is maintained either because of the** laws **or the environment.
So what if expats are hard working, they are doing what is expected of them in the environment they are.
Otherwise their credit goes down the drain and they may not be able to pay the high grocery bills, send kids to college, pay mortgage, or car payment, utilities etc. There may not be so many people outside the home country who would be able to help lazy people in strong competetive environment. Good thing is that their hard work gets enough or decent return.
This is just one aspect I presented so expats should not take it so personal.
The link you provided is just a political statement. Off course he said what is expected. What else would you expect from CM? Any amount of money from expats would be welcomed.
You mentioned about the Doctors treatment from Punjab Govt. That is pure economical issue and not hard working or honesty issue.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Otherwise people like Moeen Qureshi and Shaukat Aziz w'd just run straight back to where they came from
Those were highly accomplished people and were asked to serve the country and they did in whatever capacity they could. Shaukat Aziz, for example, was executive at the Citi Bank with a million dollar salary. Do you think he went back to loot the country? I can assure that if Pakistani Parliament was dominated by likes of Shaukat Aziz, than by likes of Fazlu or Raja Pervaz or other professional thieves, the country would be lot better off.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
wow, wasn't expecting this from you.
Well, you can discount my comments, but point is valid. Which was...why isn't Pakistan like South Korea or Singapore & instead its going backward to be more like Congo or Somalia? Is it because of half Pakistanis or full Pakistanis? That is a valid point.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
As far Chen one is concerned I think it's a Pakistani company, owned by actress iffat Raheem if I am not wrong. Don't know much about master tiles.
Both companies are owned by pakistanis. I am talking about top level managers of these companies are foriegners. You know Chenab at faisalabad is the main production house of chen one. I know by friends, many other textile firms hire foriegners to improve production quality.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Both companies are owned by pakistanis. I am talking about top level managers of these companies are foriegners. You know Chenab at faisalabad is the main production house of chen one.
No I didnt know about that, how ever now I have found out its Chenab Textiles who are the owners of Chen One.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Well, you can discount my comments, but point is valid. Which was...why isn't Pakistan like South Korea or Singapore & instead its going backward to be more like Congo or Somalia? Is it because of half Pakistanis or full Pakistanis? That is a valid point.
There are several reasons for Pakistan not to be like SK or Singapore. Half-Pakistani or Full-Pakistani has nothing to do with it. I could say that South Korean expats in the west INVESTING (as opposed to remitting money to family) back home (specially in education sector) has been one of the driving force. Lets not get into that.
I give you an analogy. If you visit Pakistan and drive on the Lhr-Isb motorway things seem strange. People generally drive in lanes, indicate when they are changing lanes, generally remain within speed limits, do not bring vehicles (or animals) that are not allowed on the motorway, etc. As soon as they leave motorway and enter the city (specially Lahore), they transform and start behaving like maniacs behind wheels.
Can I conclude that people who drive on the motorway are better, law abiding citizens than those who only drive in the city?
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
There are several reasons for Pakistan not to be like SK or Singapore. Half-Pakistani or Full-Pakistani has nothing to do with it. I could say that South Korean expats in the west INVESTING (as opposed to remitting money to family) back home (specially in education sector) has been one of the driving force. Lets not get into that.
Or could it be that people in SK and SP are more business, education, and goal/career orientated and Pakistanis are jihad orientated?
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Or could it be that people in SK and SP are more business, education, and goal/career orientated and Pakistanis are jihad orientated?
Could be. Only that I don't know how Jihad Oriented parents would raise hardworking, honest, education/career/goal oriented and law abiding children but those children would only demonstrate these abilities once they leave the country.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
This is the result of ill information generated by statistics departments of govt and multiplied by NGOs know pakistan by google earth. Thats why you are comparing virtues like hardworking, honesty with Jihad. Jihad culture have got geographic reasons in pakistan. Other poor/corrupt countries dont do Jihad. Problem of pure pakistanis is lack of good education. Govt failed to cater good education for people. Due to poverty, people dont send their children to school but to workshops even if free education and govt schools are there. You cant compare the level of hardworking, honesty of two type people where one type lack education and other dont.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
When you run out of argument you pull this one in desperation. :no:
Sometimes your posts are worse than Fox channel or Merc. 
Can’t decide. 
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Could be. Only that I don't know how Jihad Oriented parents would raise hardworking, honest, education/career/goal oriented and law abiding children but those children would only demonstrate these abilities once they leave the country.
No, its culture and environment that promotes intolerance & once you extract individuals from that kind of backwardness people have way of readjusting to new environment and way of life.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
No, its culture and environment that promotes intolerance & once you extract individuals from that kind of backwardness people have way of readjusting to new environment and way of life.
So, its the environment that causes half pakistanis to be better than pure pakistanis?? and not inherent difference between the two kinds??
going back from your earlier stance then?
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Could be. Only that I don't know how Jihad Oriented parents would raise hardworking, honest, education/career/goal oriented and law abiding children but those children would only demonstrate these abilities once they leave the country.
Very nice response.
So, its the environment that causes half pakistanis to be better than pure pakistanis?? and not inherent difference between the two kinds??
going back from your earlier stance then?
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
Very nice response.
This Shamraz khan is worse than any open anti Pakistani/Pakistan person at least I have seen so far.
1) Truth hurts.
2) I don't need a lecture on patriotism from a Taliban supporters.
3) If you don't like what I write don't read. This isn't Swat where Taliban cut people's heads for expressing their opinion.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
........This Shamraz khan is worse than any open anti Pakistani/Pakistan person at least I have seen so far. How can he be the one who had been the CM of this forum in the past.. is beyond any common sense.
He has a avatar of Pakistan flag with Chaand Taara to** fool people **but I can tell the person does not even have half the interest in well being of Pakistan and Pakistanis except for criticizing for no reason or being ludicurous when making a point and when gets to a corner.
I don't think anyone here is 'anti-Pakistan'. I would rather think that most of people here are much more concerned about the country than some of the folks we encounter in life. People have different ideas and they take a stand on those ideas because they think it is best for the country. I don't think anyone has anything to personally gain from arguing here. You can disagree with their ideas, but cannot suspect their motivation.
Same goes for supporting political parties or military for that matter. People, here on GS, support different political parties because they think those parties can do good for the country. In real life, a lot of people would support certain politicians to personally gain from such support without regard to national interest. That is not true here (except for ego satisfaction, maybe).
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
And hence you show what one would call " Murghay Ki Ek Taang". 
Prove any of your point which you made. I dare you.
Oh the deja Vu! You made those allegations before but when asked to prove you were dead silent.
You better believe, not only I will read your posts (if I get the chance) but will answer you if you are wrong. 
Like I said earlier. When you run out of argument ( which barely could make any sense), you come up with even worse and desperate ideas.
Thanks for proving me right.
Re: Country does not need half-Pakistanis as representatives: Fakhruddin G Ebrahim
I don't think anyone here is 'anti-Pakistan'. ..........
Are you sure? I mean really sure?