Conversion back to Hinduism

[yo_wasim]

Re: Conversion back to Hinduism

@narayan

What is the Hindi/Sanskrit name of Allah? What is Japanese name (probably they won't be able to pronounce Allah properly. There must be some name for them too. Are these names wrtten in Quran?

I told you I call Allaah by beautiful names. Since those words are not there in the Quran, i dont know.
But in sanskrit its Ilah, in Japanese Hon-Tou.:D

In the Arabic Bible the word Allaah in the first page is mentioned 17 times. The Arabs let it be christian, muslim or a Jew call it as Allaah.

[Hahahaha]

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@yo_wasim

If suppose your wife does all the righteous deeds helping the poor, etc... but one day comes to you and declares YOUR ALSO MY HUSBAND, but not YOU ARE ONLY MY HUSBAND, be pragmatic here.

Secondly Uncle of Prophet sala Allaah alayhi wa sallam, thats Abu Talib(Well respected man in the clan of Makkah specifically Banu Hashim) took care of him for nearly 40 years, infact he protected the Prophet from the being prosecuted by the Makkans, loved him the most but he died as a Mushrik. When Prophet supplicated, to Allaah, Allaah in the Noble Quran says that it does not befit a Prophet to pray for the Mushriks though they are kith and kin.

Sounds like God is very mean which contradicts of what most people say he really is... I thought he was full of mercy yet this incident shows non of that. This goes to prove that if you do all that He asked you to do except beliving in His existence, u r still screwed...WOW...
If Pure Exists.. then so does God.. And if God is pure than He will be Fair.. The above mentioned incident does not exhibit fairness in any way shape or form. :)

[Hahahaha]

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@yo_wasim

I told you I call Allaah by beautiful names. Since those words are not there in the Quran, i dont know. But in sanskrit its Ilah, in Japanese Hon-Tou.:D

In the Arabic Bible the word Allaah in the first page is mentioned 17 times. The Arabs let it be christian, muslim or a Jew call it as Allaah.

So when saying the Kalima, can one replace the word Allah with the above mentioned words?

[yo_wasim]

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@Babuji

And you would not question that, even though it seems illogical ? :)

You can question but again Quran will give you an answer for it.

[narayan]

Re: Conversion back to Hinduism

@yo_wasim

I told you I call Allaah by beautiful names. Since those words are not there in the Quran, i dont know. But in sanskrit its Ilah, in Japanese Hon-Tou.:D

In the Arabic Bible the word Allaah in the first page is mentioned 17 times. The Arabs let it be christian, muslim or a Jew call it as Allaah.

Are these names written in quran?

[yo_wasim]

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@Hahahaha

So when saying the Kalima, can one replace the word Allah with the above mentioned words?

If you want to go ahead. My point was, to Babujis question of different linguistic names of God. Since people have a wrong notion, I know it very well that people think the God of Muslims is different and i.e. Allaah.

Its common amongst the christians and hindus in India, well even my own Muslim brothers back in India who blindly follow, wondered when i told them Arabs christians also believe in Allaah.

Well as Sher made the concept right everybody believes in Tawheed al- Roobubiyat, except for athiests.

[yo_wasim]

Re: Conversion back to Hinduism

@narayan

Are these names written in quran?

Narayan, i have clearly written these names are not present in the Quran, in rebuttal to your previous query.

[system]

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@Hahahaha

That seems like a very mad, angry [FONT='Times New Roman']self-conceded being whom you think is very merciful... anywayz

Please read my posts before answering... I clearly stated that a non muslim kid will not have the SAME exposure to Islam compared to a muslim kid*.* If you agree with that, then its clearly not fair.

More exposure to Islam does not give one a high status in front of God. It is the good deeds that elevate one's status in front of God as long as those deeds are done without Shirk.

[system]

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@Babuji

I understand that is what the Quran tells you - but my question is that does it seem logical to you ?

For example, why do you think that a good person, who cares for his family, is honest, does his duties etc. but calls God as Krishna or Christ will go to hell whereas someone like Osama Bin Laden who calls God as Allah will go to heaven ? Does not makes sense to me

I threw out four arabic terms and you didn’t even ask what they mean.
Shirk in Ruboobiyyah is committed by a minority.
It is Shirk in Uloohiyyah, ie. shirk in worship that most of mankind commit. For example, people of other religion pray to God through some intermediaries.

You can call God by whatever name you wish. In Islam God has more than 100 different names, you can refer to God in whatever way you wish as long as you don’t disrespect Him in any way or attribute something to Him which shouldn’t be attributed to Him doing so is Shirk in Tawheed al Asmaa was Siffat.

[narayan]

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@yo_wasim

Narayan, i have clearly written these names are not present in the Quran, in rebuttal to your previous query.

When you can use Hon-Tou then why can't you call Allah as Bhagwaan or Krishna or Narayan :) , **orShiva, or Vishnu or **OM?

[yo_wasim]

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@narayan

When you can use Hon-Tou then why can’t you call Allah as Bhagwaan or Krishna or **Narayan , **orShiva, or Vishnu or OM?

You know narayan hon-tou is a word i guessed it yaar, wo to mazaak kar raha tha.

I told you call Allaah by any name but all the names must be beautiful.
Like in India most of the Muslims they say Khuda Hafiz, which is a urdu word and not present in Arabic.
Khuda Hafiz mean God protect or guard you.

[Hahahaha]

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@sherafghan

More exposure to Islam does not give one a high status in front of God. It is the good deeds that elevate one's status in front of God as long as those deeds are done without Shirk.

I really dont understand why is it so hard for u to understand a simple thing. Maybe u will get it if you read all the posts and see what was being discussed then. Anywayz I was taking about the muslim kid having an advantage over a non muslim kid since a muslim kid will have more exposure to Islam. He will be more likely to learn more about the religion than the non muslim. If you were born a Hindu it would have been really hard for you to realize that Islam is the right way to go (If that really is).... So why would a non muslim be sent to hell when he grew up in an envirnoment where his religion was supposed to be correct? Its not really fair by the one who claims to be all Merciful... needless to say Fair also.:)

[justahumane]

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@sherafghan

If you are not a Muslim, that means that you reject the Islamic Aqeedah. So things like interest should be of a lesser concern to you. The biggest issue for you should be Aqeedah. Since, you are a kafir then you shouldn't be labelling others as kafir or munafiq, etc. Even muslims or rather the scholars don't do this until that persons kufr becomes apparent. The other reason is because you don't understand the Islamic Aqeedah to begin with. And it is very clearly stated in the Quran that Allah can forgive all sins except for when one dies upon shirk. Obviously there's more to it than just that. This doesn't mean that I have a license to commit non-shirk sins. But that's a different topic. The other thing is, I do agree with you that Islam hasn't been practically applied for a very long time but that doesn't repel me from Islam because all of this had been prophecised and it increases my faith.

Well brother, U are wrong when U say that muslims or scholers dont lebel others as kafir, U can find scores of posts in this forum where muslims declare a certain sect as kuffar and arabs as munafiqeen. As far as reasoning is concerned, than I have given u reasons in my previous posts that why I think that whopping majority of muslims today are munafiqeen. I understand Islamic Aqeedah quiet well, and I tried my best to understand and believe it too for some personal reasons, but my heart never accepted the concept of risalat and some ayahs of holy quran couldnt do justice with my image of ALMIGHTY ALMERCIFUL ALLAH.

The particular ayah about not forgiving shirk but any other sin, that u have mentioned is one such ayah that gives weight to my belief too.

My humble views only, may be wrong too, ALLAH knows best.

Thanks

[justahumane]

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@sherafghan

More exposure to Islam does not give one a high status in front of God. It is the good deeds that elevate one's status in front of God as long as those deeds are done without Shirk.

So brother, Mother Teresa who devoted her entire life in service to humankind, but was a known mushrik, has no chance to be shown mercy from ALLAH, while Osamas, Zarqawis, Talibs and scores of other muslims who indeed never commited crime of shirk but commited many crimes against humanity like killing innocents including thousands of muslims have very fair chances of making it to paradise and enjoy till eternity. Is this the Image of ALLAH that Islam propogates???? Is ALLAH more concerned about himself rather than his beloved creations??? Doesnt sound convincing to me, U are free to differ with my Point Of View.

[yo_wasim]

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@justahumane

So brother, Mother Teresa who devoted her entire life in service to humankind, but was a known mushrik, has no chance to be shown mercy from ALLAH, while Osamas, Zarqawis, Talibs and scores of other muslims who indeed never commited crime of shirk but commited many crimes against humanity like killing innocents including thousands of muslims have very fair chances of making it to paradise and enjoy till eternity. Is this the Image of ALLAH that Islam propogates???? Is ALLAH more concerned about himself rather than his beloved creations??? Doesnt sound convincing to me, U are free to differ with my Point Of View.

Justahumane, i respect you lots for your views, but I personally feel you should read the Quran completely. About Mother Teresa i have answered this question earlier so i feel its the same issue and your beating round the bush.

I have already explained what shirk is. Allaah has set laws on earth since he is the creator, he knows whats, suitable for his creation especially humans are the best of his creation. So any individual let s/he be the most righteous one on this earth but breaks the law of Allaah and his/her actions go against the law of Allaah thats reprehensible and is subjected for punishment.

Being pragmatic, any one who goes against the law of any particular country is punished, while these are man made laws, Quran is the very word of Allaah, now if you have to challenge the Quran that its not from Allaah you are welcome for an open challenge. Since I am not doubting the Quran and you are doubting so make me believe its not from Allaah, so produce a speech similar to it.

Allaah is challenged every individual on this earth, with support of the whole of human kind, to prove the Quran wrong, but has to be in Arabic(Because you understand the eloquence of the Quran in Arabic). You are welcome, once you agree with the challenge then let us go further.

Let us forget about Mother Teresa, OBL, Zarqawi, let us forget the intellectuals who have written the Quran in english and based there verdict on these issues.

[USResident]

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@Hahahaha

Sounds like God is very mean which contradicts of what most people say he really is... I thought he was full of mercy yet this incident shows non of that. This goes to prove that if you do all that He asked you to do except beliving in His existence, u r still screwed...WOW... If Pure Exists.. then so does God.. And if God is pure than He will be Fair.. The above mentioned incident does not exhibit fairness in any way shape or form. :)

God is merciful but God also has wrath. If you use a little more senses and analyze the situation of the world you will come to realize that his mercy definitely prevails over his wrath. Lets look at it from a muslims perspective in very simple terms. The majority of the world population is not muslim, which from a muslims perspective means they are not following what Allah SWT has commanded them, yet do you see the majority of the world population getting punished for it, simple answer NO. So Allah SWT is merciful to them and still providing them with sustenance.

Why is it that all non-muslims think that only Allah SWT has to be fair towards them yet they have little fairness to show on their part towards Allah SWT. Let me show you how much more fair Allah SWT is towards than you are towards him. Allah SWT sustains you throughout this life, Allah SWT could've struck you down the moment you enter disbelief or deny after hearing his message, he does not do that. You still get to live your life. He created this whole universe at your disposal so that you may find all kinds of comfort in it. He created earth, which has inhabited trillions and trillions of humans and sustained them. We find it hard sometimes to even sustain our own household. He created the animals which humans eat in abundance as a food supply. Had he made Lions halal for us and cattle haram, I would like to see how many of us would be able to afford to eat any meat at all. Had he not created the earth with 2/3rds of it water I would like see how we would sustain growing vegetation for our dietary needs (Hindus would be extinct without that). I go on and on. Now lets see how fair you we have been. All Allah SWT asked was to believe in him and not to join partners in worship with him. Thats it, thats all, just a simple belief and we are unable to to even accomplish that. What do you loose by believing that, NOTHING. Then we go around talking about Allah SWT fairness and mercy. All you have to do is belief he is One, Muhammad SAW is his messenger, pray and fast to be a muslim. Is that difficult. Is that too much to do? Half of being a muslim is just believing that right thing, you don't loose a penny for doing so, you just gain and gain eternal favor. Is that difficult, would that make you paranoid, would that make you have a nervous breakdown.

[USResident]

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@Hahahaha

I really dont understand why is it so hard for u to understand a simple thing. Maybe u will get it if you read all the posts and see what was being discussed then. Anywayz I was taking about the muslim kid having an advantage over a non muslim kid since a muslim kid will have more exposure to Islam. He will be more likely to learn more about the religion than the non muslim. If you were born a Hindu it would have been really hard for you to realize that Islam is the right way to go (If that really is).... So why would a non muslim be sent to hell when he grew up in an envirnoment where his religion was supposed to be correct? Its not really fair by the one who claims to be all Merciful... needless to say Fair also.:)

Good point, what if you were born a Hindu or never got to see the light of Islam. 1400 hundred years ago that could have been true, but nowadays, it is not. Anyone can get to know Islam and everyone has an open invitation to the message.

Let me tell what you don't know. Yes, Allah SWT is still merciful and fair. If you read the Quran and Hadith you'll come to know Allah SWT will not judge against anyone who has never received his message. Such people will be offered the chance to accept or reject the message when there time for judgement arrives. Those who recevied the message and rejected it will not have such mercy because they denied their chance. Now for a non-muslim surrounded by muslims who do not set good examples, I can only imagine Allah SWT will judge the person in the proper context. Simple logic and reasoning accepts that. Those who are going to the hellfire are those who willingly reject the message and persist in disobedience especially after they have proper examples in front on them. Like those people who had the Prophet SAW in there midst and rejected Islam or those who had other Prophets in their midst yet rejected their message.

On part of the muslims, Ahmed Deedat once said, Muslims have had this message for 1400 years and yet we have been sitting on it instead of spreading it and giving its due right to be heard. Now other false faiths are springing up and causing more confusion. We have not done a good job, there is no doubt in that.

[Babuji]

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@USResident

Good point, what if you were born a Hindu or never got to see the light of Islam. 1400 hundred years ago that could have been true, but nowadays, it is not. Anyone can get to know Islam and everyone has an open invitation to the message.

The Islam that people know about nowadays is definitely not the Islam you seem to be talking about. Its the moderate Muslim's role to educate the world on the correct Islam else very soon the violent face of Islam will be the only Islam that the world knows of.

[system]

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@Hahahaha

I really dont understand why is it so hard for u to understand a simple thing. Maybe u will get it if you read all the posts and see what was being discussed then. Anywayz I was taking about the muslim kid having an advantage over a non muslim kid since a muslim kid will have more exposure to Islam. He will be more likely to learn more about the religion than the non muslim. If you were born a Hindu it would have been really hard for you to realize that Islam is the right way to go (If that really is).... So why would a non muslim be sent to hell when he grew up in an envirnoment where his religion was supposed to be correct? Its not really fair by the one who claims to be all Merciful... needless to say Fair also.:)

In the Quran it says
2:286. Allah burdens not a person beyond his scope. He gets reward for that (good) which he has earned, and he is punished for that (evil) which he has earned.

[system]

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@justahumane

Well brother, U are wrong when U say that muslims or scholers dont lebel others as kafir, U can find scores of posts in this forum where muslims declare a certain sect as kuffar and arabs as munafiqeen.

You didn't read what I said. I said the scholars don't do this until kufr becomes apparent.

@justahumane

As far as reasoning is concerned, than I have given u reasons in my previous posts that why I think that whopping majority of muslims today are munafiqeen. I understand Islamic Aqeedah quiet well, and I tried my best to understand and believe it too for some personal reasons, but my heart never accepted the concept of risalat and some ayahs of holy quran couldnt do justice with my image of ALMIGHTY ALMERCIFUL ALLAH.

The particular ayah about not forgiving shirk but any other sin, that u have mentioned is one such ayah that gives weight to my belief too.

My humble views only, may be wrong too, ALLAH knows best.

Thanks

It could be that the majority are munafiqeen, but I don't have the right to go around accusing people without evidence and neither do you according to the Shariah.
Just out of curiosity what book of Aqeedah did you study?