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Maybe mamaof3 means that in surgical circumsition for females, the area being worked upon is so small, that there is a higher degree chance of damaging the clitoris resulting in loss of sexual sensation for the female. Its one thing when you're getting it done by a physician who is trained and knows what he's doing (although I don't think these surgeries are common in most countries), versus getting circumscribed in a village in Africa by old-fashioned village tools.

If the "witch doctor" ends up cutting off the clitoris accidentally, then it is castration if you take castration to mean removal of a whole body part to the point that its no longer functional.

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And for those arguing against male circumsition...

Sorry to break your bubble, but there aren't too many ladies out there that have a fetish for uncircumsized men. Doesn't matter, you'd end up getting circumsized anyway at some point later.

And from what I understand, it does harbor infections. Best to remove it. Doesn't mean the human is imperfect. Humans do horrible things, and yet God still created them. Is that not imperfection, then, using the same argument?

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PCG, i think you are slipping here.

I think it is cultural, our women would not have a fetish for uncircumsized male because they have been culturally told that it is unclean and looks horrible but girls in Europe has no problem, a smell to us is aroma for someone else. The imprefection arguments may be funny but declaring something Islamic without clear cut Quranic Order and Mutawatir Hadith is wrong and moreover suggesting punsihments is even wrong. About sensational benefits i cannot comment as i never had the oppurtunity to sense it both ways, however i am content with what i have and i think we must do it as well, but declaration of something Islamic which is our personal preferenec and than pushing others to do it and lamenting them if they do not do it is definitely wrong and condemnable.

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PCG, MKF is quite right in pointing that in our culture it is so strongly propagated that it looks bad and bla bla. That it is accepted without questioning. Most of the European countries has virtually zero rate of incidence. The fairer gender has no problem with it in that part of the world. Even in NA there has been surveys that points to the fact that there is preference for intactness or otherwise

Talking about infections. Again this is not so true. Not everyone gets infections. As I have pointed earlier the rate of infection in more pronounced in women than men. Search for statistics and you would find the picture.

You are advising to take action before the fact. That is to remove it. Then why not remove the breasts as it may lead to even dealier disease. Again, not everyone gets cancer just like not everyone gets penile infections. Need to maintain uniformity across the board.

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What Is the Foreskin? : What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About ...

This article was written by PAUL M. FLEISS, M.D, A famous doctor in North American medical community. The American Academy of Pieds and the Canadian counterpart published their last policy about Circumcision and this doctor's publications has major contributons in the formulation of the policy.

I am reproducing part of it here for those who do not know the very purpose and the construction of it (Also for those who are mixing it with Hymen!)

"The foreskin-also known as the prepuce is the flexible, doublelayered sheath of specialized skin that covers and protects the glans (or head) of the normal penis. The foreskin is a uniquely specialized, sensitive, and functional organ of touch. No other part of the body serves the same purpose.
The foreskin is an integral and important part of the skin system of the penis. It is a complex and sophisticated structure with many interesting and unique properties. No other part of the body's skin covering duplicates the amazing design and functional possibilities of the foreskin. Among the many interesting features of the foreskin is the fact that it is highly elastic, entirely devoid of any subcutaneous fat, and lined with a sheet of smooth muscle.
The foreskin is more than just skin; it is a complex, highly mobile, and beautifully engineered organ composed of an intricate web of blood vessels, muscle, and nerves. In fact, the foreskin contains about 240 feet of nerve fibers and tens of thousands of specialized erotogenic nerve endings of various types, which can feel the slightest pressure, the lightest touch, the smallest motion, the subtlest changes in temperature, and the finest gradations in texture.
Nature has designed the delicate glans (commonly called the head of the penis) to be an internal organ. In the normal, intact penis, the glans is a glistening, rich red or purple color. The foreskin protects the glans and keeps it in excellent condition.
In many ways, the foreskin is just like the eyelid. It covers, cleans, and protects the glans just as the eyelid covers, cleans, and protects the eye. Also, just as the eyelid can open and close to uncover the eye, so the foreskin can open to reveal the delicate glans. The foreskin's inside fold is lined with a smooth red tissue called mucous membrane. This type of tissue is also found lining the lips, the inside of the mouth, and the inner fold of the eyelid. The foreskin's soothing inner fold gently keeps the surface of the glans healthy, clean, shiny, warm, soft, moist, and sensitive.
are normal."

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An interesting read…studies have shown that circumcized males are less likely to contract the AIDS infection…one of the many types of STD. If you google circumcision, you can find many articles both for and against but IMHO, more of them are scientifically pro, the cons are more emotional, like maybe the male has less of a sexual experience if he undergoes the procedure. Since I happen to know two people who underwent the procedure at a late age I know from their telling that they are glad to have had it done although they both wished that it had been done at birth. Once you know what “its for”, it becomes very important to “protect it” :slight_smile:

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?li=USA&articlekey=63572

Again, its quite a personal choice and one that is typically made by parents at the birth of a male child. I’ve never heard of a male who resented their parents for having it done… At the birth of my boys I was informed of the pros and cons, the myths and truths…the fact is that there are about as many pros as cons, there are those who promote it vigorously and those who fight against it just as vigorously.

I do not proclaim to be knowledgeable about the “Islaamic view” on male circumcision, I’ve read in more places that it is acceptable than not, so as far as the argument of defacing yourself and it being sinful, I kind of doubt that argument against…
I mean, is body piercing (ears, nose, belly etc) considered a sinful disfigurement? Typically not! Tatoos, shaving, surgical removal of harmless growths. I could go on but I think you get the idea. I had no preconceived notions about attractiveness etc…in that area. How to say this lol! My husband is circumsized and he is beautiful to me. When I saw my uncircumsized son, I thought “it” to be ugly. Again, a personal thing…but I think most gals would likely agree with that evaluation and that most men would like their wives to be admiring of their bodies rather than somewhat grossed out.

I tried to keep an open mind I think. I read it all, am still not swayed and am firmly in the camp of pro-male circumcision.

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Hello Guppies,
I have heard from many Islamic scholars back home that those who dont get it go to hell and should be punished. Is it true? How important it is for a boy to get it done and at what age? Lot of young kids are not getting circumcized in the west these days.. why?/quo.

You mean muslim kidz in the west. I dont think so. Non muslims have their own reasons for not doing it, who cares!!!

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I dont think that its mentioned anywhere in the Koran, is it? If yes, please cite....

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You don't think so! Well you may think whatever you may. But even in your good old Pakistan, informed parents are shying away from it (mostly in upper class). In order to become it of noticeable significance it will take some time (too much population)

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Mamaof3, I respect your right to your preference but you are comparing foreskin with harmless growth and other stuff! Pls read my post #65 to learn what it actually is made fo,r in the first place.

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OK guys finish of this debate which is simply not coming to a conclusion, i think we all know now that it cannot be counted as some mandatory action, failing which lead to punsihment in afterlife. We do it because we feel it is culturally okay and a sunnah and i think this is a valid enough reason. Still no punsihment for whom who chooses otherwise.

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My biews based on facts:

  1. Foreskin has a clear purpose by nature, sophisticated in construction, and therefore not meant to be lost.

  2. It is a PERSONAL CHOICE by the person himself later in life. Parents do not own the bodies of their childern to decide that they like.

  3. It is a very cruel cultural practice to dominate other person's sexuality.

  4. It may not or may be a Sunnah but even so there are more important practices to follow. Ignoring others and insisting on this and mis-leading others can not justify it.

  5. The last argument used by pro-circ is irrational, Asthetics. It is not for you to see and feel good by the looks. Let the SPOUSE DECIDED for the obvious reason.

It is always difficult to go against the wind even if you are going in the right direction. Talk about wrong society norms .. Toofaan

But someone has to do the job of informing, Not So Informed.

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You are obviously firm in your feelings about the procedure, as firm as I am in mine....as far as "being informed", I think we have ALL been informed here, and like I said, after reading it all, I remain firm in my choice.

You arent quite correct in saying that "parents do not own their children's bodies..." We make all medical decisions relating to them until they reach 18 years of age. We do, therefore, own our children's bodies. And again, I am quite sure they will thank me for having had the procedure done, as sure as YOU are that your children will be glad to have the decision to face a scalpel or not when they reach adulthood. As far as Aesthetics - this, of course, is not the determining factor here. But I DO want the best for my boys, and aesthetics are part of that....if they have crooked teeth, they will go to an orthodontist and get braces. They do not have that "choice" about their bodies either. Of course they'd not want it but will be glad later on that it was done.

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jus chop the damn thing off....(foreskin tht is) its sick!

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How about the protuding Labia Majora in women? It is so Ugly looking and with all that varying length and shapes. chop the damn thing off. It is sick. Right?

"Pahley tolo phir bolo"

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Analogies are quite weak. I have no problem with you stance. There got to be people in the pro-camp.

The "Season of change", has began in the last 10 years. In Europe it hardly exist now. In North America the percentage has dropped very significantly, media awarness to common, doctors not performing, American and Canadian Academy of Piedatrics policy, loosing insurance coverage. Even unorthodox jews has started questioning. It is everywhere. I know sensible Pakistanis shunning the barberic practice, but slowly.

Read my signature. Got it!!!

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oops, signature not appearing for some reason. Here it is.

"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand Binary, and those who don't."

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History of Circumcision

Introduction

The practice of male genital mutilation is far older than recorded history. Certainly, it is far older than the Biblical account of Abraham (Genesis 17). It seems to have originated in eastern Africa long before this time.6

Many theories have been advanced to explain the origin of genital mutilation. One theory postulates that circumcision began as a way of "purifying" individuals and society by reducing sexuality and sexual pleasure. Human sexuality was seen as dirty or impure in some societies; hence cutting off the pleasure-producing parts was the obvious way to "purify" someone.

It is now known that the male foreskin, or prepuce, is the principal location of erogenous sensation in the human male (see Anatomy.) Removal of the prepuce substantially reduces erogenous sensation.12,16 Therefore (in the appropriate cultural context), circumcision is revealed as a sacrifice of "sinful" human enjoyment (in this earthly life), for the sake of holiness in the afterlife.12

The Jews adopted circumcision as a religious ritual8,10,15,18 and preserved this prehistoric practice into modern times.10,16,18 The circumcision of Abraham removed only the very tip that extended beyond the glans penis.8,17,22,28 Moses and his sons were not circumcised. (Exodus 4:25) Although Moses apparently prohibited circumcision during the 40 years in the wilderness,15,18 (Joshua 5:5) Joshua reinstituted circumcision at Gilgal after the death of Moses.15,18 (Joshua 5:2-10) It is interesting to note that after the Israelites were circumcised, they immediately became soldiers in Joshua's army for the conquest of Palestine. (Joshua 6:1-3)

In contrast to the Jews, the Greeks and the Romans placed a high value on the prepuce.31 The Romans passed several laws to protect the prepuce by prohibiting circumcision.31

Much later in the Hellenic period, about 140 C.E., the circumcision procedure was modified to make it impossible for a Jew to appear to be an uncircumcised Greek.8,18,25 A radical new procedure called peri'ah was introduced by the priests and rabbis. In this procedure the foreskin was stripped away from the glans, with which it is fused in the infant (See Normal.) In a painful procedure known today as a synechotomy, more foreskin was removed than before and the injury was correspondingly greater. With the introduction of peri'ah, the glans could not easily be recovered, and so no Jewish male would easily be able to appear as an uncircumcised Greek.8,18,25

It may have been at this time that the Pondus Judaeus (also known as Judaeum Pondum), a bronze weight worn by Jews on the residual foreskin to stretch it back into a foreskin,8,18,23 gained popularity amongst Jewish males. This lessened the ugly appearance of the bare exposed circumcised penis.18 This restorative procedure was known by the Greek word epispasm,8 or "rolling inward."

The third stage of ritual circumcision, the Messisa or Metzitzah, was not introduced until the Talmudic period (500-625 C.E).8,17,23 In Metzitzah, the mohel (ritual circumciser) sucks blood from the penis of the circumcised infant with his mouth.31 This procedure has been responsible for the death of many Jewish babies due to infection.13 In modern times, a glass tube is sometimes used instead.

The Reform movement within Judaism considered circumcision to be a cruel practice.17 The Reform movement at Frankfort declared in 1843 that circumcision was not necessary.17,21

The Christians took a strong stand against circumcision in the first century. Christians rejected circumcision at the Council at Jerusalem.17 (Acts 15) St. Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, taught parents that they should not circumcise their children. (Acts 21:25) In a reference to the old practices of genital mutilation, St. Paul warned Titus to beware of the "circumcision group." (Titus 1:10-16)

The modern use of Hebrew circumcision as a medicalized practice dates from about 1865 in England and about 1870 in the US.10 The procedure accepted for medical use essentially was the Jewish peri'ah. Moscucci reports that circumcision was imposed in an attempt to prevent masturbation.15 Gollaher further describes the history of medicalized circumcision.10 No scientific studies were carried out to determine the efficacy and safety of circumcision prior to its introduction into medical practice,10 nor were any studies conducted to determine the social effects of imposing genital alteration surgery on a large portion of the population.

South Koreans started to circumcise children during the American trusteeship following World War II. The American cultural practice of circumcision became nearly universal in South Korea after the Korean War of 1950-52.24

In 1949, Gairdner wrote that circumcision was medically unnecessary and non-beneficial,3 and contraindicated because of complications and deaths.3 The British National Health Service (NHS) deleted non-therapeutic neonatal circumcision from the schedule of covered procedures in 1950. The incidence of neonatal circumcision in the United Kingdom declined sharply to a very low level after publication of this article after the procedure was delisted by the NHS.

America waited another 20 years before addressing the problem of non-therapeutic circumcision. The Journal of the American Medical Association published an influential landmark article by Dr. E. Noel Preston, Captain, MC, USAF.4 Dr. Preston established that there is no therapeutic or prophylactic benefit to circumcision. He also cited "undesirable psychologic, sexual, and medico-legal difficulties."4

Influenced by Preston, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), in 1971, issued a statement that "[t]here are no valid medical indications for circumcision in the neonatal period."10 This marked the beginning of the end of America's infatuation with male circumcision. The incidence of male neonatal circumcision in the U.S. peaked in 1971 and began a slow decline that continues to the present day.

Recent History

The AAP convened an "ad hoc Task Force" under the chair of Hugh C. Thompson, M.D., to review the issue of circumcision in 1975. The 1975 Task Force reaffirmed the 1971 AAP statement.10 The Canadian Paediatric Society (CPS) also took a position in 1975 that circumcision is medically unnecessary.

The matter rested there until 1985, when retrospective data collected from U.S. Army medical records by Thomas Wiswell, M.D. seemed to show a somewhat higher rate of urinary tract infection (UTI) in non-circumcised boys. Careful examination of Wiswell's methods and data revealed many methodological flaws which rendered his conclusions questionable and unreliable. This created new controversy about the value of neonatal circumcision. The Canadian Paediatric Society examined Wiswell's data in 1989 and found it to be "insufficiently compelling" to cause it to change its 1975 policy statement, which is against circumcision.

The National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers (NOCIRC) was formed in 1986. The mandate of NOCIRC is to provide accurate information regarding male circumcision, to promote children's rights, and to shed light on the medical mistakes of the past. Professor George C. Denniston, M.D., M.P.H., founded Doctors Opposing Circumcision (DOC) in 1995 to promote the health advantages of genital integrity within the medical community.

The Circumcision Information and Resource Pages (CIRP) were created in 1995 to provide a source of accurate information about circumcision on the World Wide Web.

The development of new information in the medical literature since 1975 caused the AAP to revisit the matter of circumcision in 1989. A new Task Force under the chair of Edgar J. Schoen, M.D., examined new data about neonatal pain, behavior changes, and loss of sexual sensitivity secondary to neonatal circumcision. New data also conclusively established the role of the human papillomavirus (HPV) in the pathogenesis of genital cancers. This removed any lingering belief that the prepuce somehow caused cancer.

The Canadian Paediatric Society revisited the matter of neonatal circumcision in 1996. A new evidence-based policy statement was issued that strengthened its 1975 recommendation, stating that circumcision is medically unnecessary. The CPS recommended: "Circumcision should not be routinely performed."

The incidence of neonatal circumcision in the US has continued to decline, and stood at only 60% in 1996. In the same year, the Australian College of Paediatrics (ACP) reported that the incidence of neonatal circumcision in Australia has continued its decline to 10%. The ACP termed circumcision traumatic, a possible violation of human rights, and called for parents to be provided with full and complete information about circumcision before making a decision.

John R. Taylor and colleagues published a landmark article in 1996 that described original research into the anatomy and histology of the foreskin. The research showed that the foreskin is highly innervated tissue with the characteristics of a sensory organ designed to provide erogenous sensation.16

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), in a joint statement, reclassified neonatal circumcision from "routine" to "elective" in 1997.19 The change in policy was announced the year after the publication of Taylor's important article that describes in detail the injury inherent in every circumcision. This action removes any suggestion that circumcision is beneficial or that it is recommended by medical authorities. It may also be an attempt to shift legal liability for the injury that is inherent in every child circumcision from the doctor to the parents.

Persistent criticism of the obvious flaws of the supplemental 1989 Report of the Task Force on Circumcision has caused the AAP to distance itself from its own report. The AAP has removed its policy statement from its website. The AAP convened a new Task Force under the chair of Carole Marie Lannon, MD, in 1997 to develop a new evidence-based policy statement which was released in March 1999. After fully reviewing the medical evidence, the Task Force concluded that routine neonatal circumcision cannot be recommended because of lack of any proved benefit. It said that the benefits are "potential" (i.e. they are unproven).

The Council on Scientific Affairs of the American Medical Association issued a policy report in December 1999 that re-classified neonatal circumcision as a "non-therapeutic" procedure.30 This may have a medico-legal impact.

The ratio of boys circumcised to boys preserved intact continues to decline in America. In 2001, it had further declined to a ratio of 55 percent circumcised, while the percentage of boys preserved intact had risen to 45 percent.36

Highlights

The Encyclopædia Britannica article from the 9th edition (1876) provides us with a Victorian view of circumcision. Interestingly, it does not mention any alleged medical purposes.2

Gairdner's historic world famous landmark classic medical article (1949) is presented.3

Preston's historic influential medical article (1970) is presented.4

Paige (1978) provides us with a history of cirumcision in the US. She discusses the fear of masturbation that lead to the commencement of the circumcision of boys.5

DeMeo (1989) says geographical patterns of global distributions of the male and female genital mutilations among native, non-Western peoples, along with history and archaeology, suggest their genesis in the deserts of Northeast Africa and the near East, with a subsequent diffusion outward into sub-Saharan, Oceania and possibly even into parts of the New World.6

Montagu (1991) uses anthropological knowledge to give insight into the origins of genital mutilation.7

Bigelow (1992) traces the development of various forms of circumcision within Judaism through the centuries and into modern times.8

Voskuil (1994) suggests that the identical 28 day lunar month and the monthly menstruation cycle of the woman are linked to the origin of circumcision.9

Gollaher (1994) describes the transformation of ritual circumcision into a medical procedure.10

McLaren gives us a not very complimentary portrait of Dr. John Harvey Kellogg who promoted circumcision and corn flakes as a cure for masturbation.11

Warren and Bigelow (1994) discuss the sacrificial origin of circumcision.12

Frederick M. Hodges, Jerry W. Warner. The Right to Our Own Bodies: The History of Male Circumcision in the U.S. M.E.N. Magazine 1995 (November).14

Moscucci reports the results of her research into the introduction of male circumcision to prevent masturbation in the late 19th century.15

The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion (1997) reviews the history of Jewish circumcision.16

DeMeo (1996) revisits his earlier work and discusses several theories regarding the origin of male and female circumcision. DeMeo identifies anxiety about sexual pleasure as the underlying psychological reason for both male and female circumcision.17

Schultheiss and others (1998) provide an account of the long history of man's attempts to restore the prepuce after unwanted circumcision.21

Dunsmuir and Gordon (1999) provide a good general history of circumcision with particular attention paid to the history of the development of surgical technique.22

Kim and colleagues provide a history of circumcision in South Korea.23

Brandes and McAninch review the history of efforts to undo the effects of male circumcision.24

Frederick Mansfield Hodges (1999) unveils the medical treatment of phimosis and paraphimosis in the classical medical literature.26

James E. Peron illuminates the development of circumcision in Jewish history from a minor procedure into a major mutilation, and how this most mutilating and injurious form of circumcision was accepted into medical practice.27

Frederick Mansfield Hodges, D. Phil., has researched the Greek and Roman attitudes toward the prepuce. He reports in this profusely illustrated document that the Greeks and Romans placed a high value on the prepuce, preferred long tapering prepuces, and later the Romans protected the prepuce by law.30

John M. Ephron reports that German Jews used medical arguments to justify and promote the practice of male circumcision to Gentiles during the 19th and early 20th centuries.31

John Evelyn observed a Jewish circumcision at Rome in 1645 and recorded it in his diary.32

See also

The History of Circumcision website.
Canadian Circumcision History
New Zealand Circumcision History
Historical Medical Quotes on Circumcision for quotations from antique medical literature.)
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Anonymous. Clitoridectomy and Medical Ethics. Medical Times and Gazette (London) 1867:(1):391-2.
Encyclopædia Britannica, 9th Ed. s.v. "Circumcision," by Rev. T. K. Cheyne.
Gairdner DA. The fate of the foreskin: a study of circumcision.. BMJ 1949;2:1433-1437.
Preston EN. Whither the foreskin? A consideration of routine neonatal circumcision. JAMA 1970;213:1853-1858.
Paige, Karen Eriksen. The ritual of circumcision. Human Nature, pp 40-48, May 1978. (Link to www.noharmm.org)
James deMeo. The Geography of Genital Mutilations. The Truth Seeker, pp 9-13, July/August 1989. (Link to www.noharmm.org)
Montagu, Ashley. Mutilated Humanity. Presented at the Second International Symposium on Circumcision. San Francisco, California. April 30-May 3, 1991. (Link to www.nocirc.org)
Bigelow J, Ph.D., The Development of Circumcision in Judaism. In: Bigelow J., The Joy of Uncircumcising! Hourglass Book Publishing, Aptos, California 95001, 1992, 1995. (ISBN 0-934061-22-X) (out of print)
Voskuil, D, Ph.D. From Genetic Cosmology to Genital Cosmetics: Origin Theories of the Righting Rites of Male Circumcision. Presented at the Third International Symposium on Circumcision. University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland, May 22-25, 1994. (Link to www.nocirc.org)
Gollaher, David L. From ritual to science: The medical transformation of circumcision in America. Journal of Social History Volume 28 Number 1, p. 5-36 (Fall 1994).
McLaren, Carrie. Porn Flakes: Kellogg, Graham and the Crusade for Moral Fiber. (courtesy of STAYFREE! Homepage)
Warren J, Bigelow J. The case against circumcision. British Journal of Sexual Medicine, September/October 1994:6-8.
John J. Tierney. Circumcision. In: The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913, 1997.
Frederick M. Hodges, Jerry W. Warner. The Right to Our Own Bodies: The History of Male Circumcision in the U.S. M.E.N. Magazine 1995 (November)
Moscucci, Ornella. Clitordectomy, Circumcision, and the Politics of Sexual Pleasure in Mid-Victorian Britain. Sexualities in Victorian Britain. Indiana University Press, Bloomington and Indianapolis, 1996.
Taylor JR, Lockwood AP, Taylor AJ. The prepuce: specialized mucosa of the penis and its loss to circumcision. Br J Urol 1996;77:291-295.
Circumcision. In: The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion, Oxford University Press, New York & Oxford 1997.
DeMeo, James. The Geography of Genital Mutilations. (Presented at the Fourth Symposium on Sexual Mutilations, University of Lausanne, Lausanne, Switzerland. August 9-11, 1996.) Published in: Sexual Mutilations, A Human Tragedy, Plenum Press, New York, 1997 (ISBN 0-306-45589-7). (link to www.nocirc.org)
Hodges FM. A short history of the institutionalization of involuntary sexual mutilations in the United States. in: Denniston GC, Milos MF (eds.), Sexual Mutilations: A Human Tragedy (New York: Plenum Publishing, 1997), pp. 17-40. (ISBN 0-306-45589-7)
Oh W, Merenstein G. Fourth Edition of the Guidelines for Perinatal Care: Summary of Changes. Pediatrics 1997;100(6)1021-1027.
Goldman Ronald, Ph.D., Origins and Background. In: Questioning Circumcision: A Jewish Perspective. Vanguard Publications, Boston, 1998. (ISBN 0-9644895-6-2)
Schultheiss D, Truss MC, Stief CG, Jonas U. Uncircumcision: a historical review of preputial restoration. Plast Reconstr Surg 1998;101(7): 1990-1998.
Dunsmuir WD, Gordon EM. The history of circumcision. BJU Int 1999; 83, Suppl. 1: 1-12.
Kim DS, Lee JY, Pang MG. Male circumcision: a Korean perspective. BJU Int 1999; 83 Suppl. 1:28-33.
Brandes SB, McAninch. Surgical methods of restoring the prepuce: a critical review. BJU Int 1999; 83 Suppl. 1:109-113.
Hodges FM. The history of phimosis from antiquity to the present. in: Denniston GC, Hodges MF, Milos MF (eds.), Male and Female Circumcision: Medical, Legal, and Ethical Considerations in Pediatric Practice (New York/London: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishing, 1999), pp. 37-62.
Hodges FM. Phimosis in antiquity. World Journal of Urology 1999; 17(3):133-136.
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Hodges FM. The Ideal Prepuce in Ancient Greece and Rome: Male Genital Aesthetics and Their Relation to Lipodermos, Circumcision, Foreskin Restoration, and the Kynodesme. Bull Hist Med 2001 Fall;75(3):375-405.
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Robert Darby. 'Where doctors differ:' The debate on circumcision as a protection against syphilis, 1855-1914. Social History of Medicine 2003;16(1):57-78.
Robert Darby. The masturbation taboo and the rise of routine male circumcision: a review of the historiography. J Soc Hist 2003;36:737-57.
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Bollinger D. (2003) Intact Versus Circumcised: Normal versus Circumcised: U.S. Neonatal Male Genital Ratio. Circumcision Reference Library (an original online publication), 22 April 2003.

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TG, its a sad statement indeed that only in the "religion" forum can people expect to be insulted for having a different but equally valid viewpoint.

Yes, I did indeed read your signature, and yes I did understand the insults you've been hurling. I chose not to reciprocate....as you ARE entitled to your crusade and your opinions. I also chose not to provide page upon page of documentation FOR having the procedure done....I know the risks, the benefits, the pros, the cons. Others can decide for themselves and may they not be swayed by fanatics of either side. When you get TOO fanatical about something that is uncertain and/or unproven then you end up sounding like the idiot and end up hurting rather than helping your cause.

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Well said. Agreed.