A Santa Fe hairdresser is waging his own boycott of sorts: He is denying service to the governor of New Mexico because she opposes gay marriage.
Antonio Darden, who has been with his partner for 15 years, said he made his views clear the last time Gov. Susana Martinez’s office called to make an appointment…
My example was for providing an example to your mantra of separating religion from state. see in your own country which claims its higher secular values, its not followed. You must raise voice at relevant forums of your country instead of indulging and sermonizing people here, who think that their religion got some "Dos and Do nots’ and they are bound to follow it, because when they are linking themselves with a religion, they are not just doing for the sake of it. Tagging yourself related to a religion and then not following basics of that religion is one of the biggest hypocrisies in the world.
PS: You still have to understand the actual issue (may be jolie’s post make some sense to you among all the senseless posts here) and answer the questions in this thread, which asks you various scenarios to be discriminative or not?
Sir ji… this Gandhi Jayanti was not revealed to me by some holy scripture. It was told to me by ninja hattori, an Indian Muslim a year back, who had to face these restrictions. The practice is still there.
BTW, with all due respect, cow slaughter is still banned in Gujarata, India.
Will you call it discriminatory to Muslims of Gujarat, India (though they have already paid the price) like you are giving unconditional support to these homos for not getting a cake (with a message that was against belief of the baker)? Or its just religious lot that should always be condemned whether they are denying to serve or they are denied some rights? chhuri kharbooze ke ooper gire ya kharbooza chhurri ke ooper.. same consequences
or there is one answer to all this contradiction. Gujarata is a religious state in secular India?
Freedom is not an absolute term in societies, where people from different backgrounds, religions and orientation live. You have to safeguard rights of all. chit bhi meri pat bhi meri, is not a solution for these societies.
If its that easy then why are crying for this gay couple. was there just one bakery in whole the country. They could have gone to another bakery (not one day in advance). But they were adamant to get a message from bakery, which don’t support their ideology. see who is being shameful and dishonest here.
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similar thing happened in Colorado, and the judge ruled the baker must make ‘gay’ wedding cake because that DOES come under discrimination. Colorado Civil Rights Panel: Baker Must Make Cakes For Gay Weddings
the baker simply stopped making wedding cakes all together after this case because he couldn’t make cake gay couples. I respect the decision of the baker to not make ANY wedding cake. you just cannot refuse to put 2 male figures on top of a wedding cake when you have no problem putting a male female figures on there. when your bakery make wedding cakes, you have to make wedding cakes for any kind of wedding, whether its gay or straight marriage.
when you do business which deals with serving customers, you must abide by state laws when it comes to discrimination, regardless of your religious belief. religion is not above civil rights. Colorado is not even a liberal state, and gay marriage is not even legally recognized, but even then, the judge ruled this act as a discrimination.
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Let me answer ur question re Gujarat - I am against the beef slaughter ban there. Modi has ruled there. And I am not a Modi fan.
I gave the last example of buying a beef a day early cause YOU made a big.deal about it. I was simply stating that your WHINING about not being able to BUY beef the SAME day as Gandhi jayanthi when whoever wants to can buy it day early is HYPOCRISY. Especially when ur position is this gay person or persons could have used another bakery. You gave a WRONG example of secular hypocrisy.
As to ur point I should sermonizing abt my country in other forums, I was simply responding to YOUR use of a RIDICULOUS example.
Note that I did NOT deny this happens in INDIA. I am making the point that 99.72 pct of the time people can buy beef in India.
So please, if you have some logic, don’t use this as an example to make ur case. Or do.
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As to the legality of this case, I have no idea. But one thing is clear. I respect the position of those who view this from a legal angle. And state the bakery has a right to refuse service based on religious grounds.
But there are some who have used this as a platform to draw analogies between this request and other truly evil scenarios. Those who come out of the woodwork to take shots at gays. Those who never miss an opportunity to knock down that group. Who hide behind the cover of religion to satiate their homophobic inclinations. Let us not pretend they don’t exist.
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^ Declining to serve cake to gay people when you are running a bakery is discrimination. It is a terrible thing to do and must be legally dealt with. No one disagreed with that.
Writing stuff on cake is NOT a bakery’s business. The baker can refuse to write something that makes him/her uncomfortable. It would rather be discrimination to force someone to write something against his/her beliefs.
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some peoples double standards are very obvious on this thread, and you have exposed it very well.
afterall, ‘sinners’ cannot be treated equally. who cares about civil rights or equality?
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ONE day out of 365 beef cannot be bought. And that is somehow a hypocrisy of secular govt. The same person who takes umbrage over this has no qualms stating the gays can go to another shop.
As for this being against the bakers religious beliefs so he is entitled to refuse, that is a slippery slope. There r so many things that can be against ones religious beliefs.
1). Being within 10 ft of a lower caste person.
2) Customers who are shacking up before marriage
3) unmarried couple asking for I love u to be written on cake.
4).A christian drinking from the same well as a Muslim
5) a lower caste drinking from same well as higher caste
6) a Muslim drinking from same well as Hindus
7) revers of 6.
Bottom line. The courts will decide which side of the slippery slope this case falls under. The acceptable side or the other
As for sermonizing people, if ANY person makes speaks disrespectfully of gays just because of their orientation, AND uses Religion to justify such speech, it is fair to tell that person he or she is practicing rituals. As Reza Aslam eloquently stated, religion is a path to attaining truth. Faith is belief in that truth.
So it is fair to criticize THAT SPECIFIC aspect of that persons interpretation of his her religion that teaches him her that speaking disrespectfully of gays is OK.
Just as you get offended when ONE SPECIFIC aspect of ur religion is called into question, understand that the gay community AND decent people would get offended at the way you choose to speak of them.
This applies only to those that have expressed certain opinions about gays.
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No one is going to listen your logic, because all that matters here is ‘If Gay, will support’. Its not the baker who intervene in someone’s freedom in this case, its this gay copule, who make issue of nothing.
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oh Sir. It all become ridiculous when Muslims are denied rights in secular India. Good going. I’m also talking about availability of bakeries to the GAYS. If Muslims should buy meat one day before Jayanti (as you advocate), why not this gay couple should have gone to get services from a bakery which doesn’t have an issue with the slogan they were adamant to get written on the bloody cake?
You are not picking the point because of your pre-conceived notions. OPEN UP YOUR EYES SIR BEFORE CALLING PEOPLE HYPOCRITE WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW THAN YOURS.
PS: I’m using CAPS as you started it. You could have make your point without being personal.
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Couldn’t this entire ghastly debacle have been avoided if the couple in question had simply bought the bloody cake from the bakers and written the text on it themselves? It really isn’t that difficult. All that is required is a piping kit and icing in the colour/texture you want the text to be in. One can find a these things for less than 10 quid.
I do believe that people should be able to live their lives however they choose to, provided that they do not harm others (and that includes same sex marriage as, frankly, what other people do in the privacy of their own homes is of no interest to me). However, I do not understand why one would choose to make life difficult for oneself.
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No its written in holy charter of gays to get that statement written on the bloody cake from those who don’t believe in their ideology and therefore when they are denied this right, the champions of human rights have a binding to wage a jihad against the people who denied that right.
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Honestly though, people on this thread must calm themselves. It is quite possible to express one’s opinion without:
Making unfounded assumptions about others
Malicious comments about others
Attacking the moral character of others
Questioning the intelligence of others
Mudslinging and snide comments
Bluntly put, everyone must grow up! If you do not agree with someone’s view, that is okay. If someone does not agree with your view, that is equally okay. We all have different viewpoints and view life differently. It stands to reason that we will not all agree on everything.
