Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action

[Southie]

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@redvelvet

What is so respectable about Southie using the world ash..variant of a$$? Nothing at all. I’ve said ‘damn’ a few times, I cam admit that’s not respectable language.

Kinzz only questioned the validity of gay marriages, she’s not stopping such marriages. And she is one who respects people regardless of opposing lifestyles; I personally know her. But Southie can’t even let her question or express her opinion? Has he (or even you for that matter) set a condition that one can only open their mouth if they share the same views as you? How does THIS reflect live and let live? It doesn’t.

If you’re gonna defend Southie, at least be fair and willing to admit when he is wrong or out of line.

Do you have comprehension issues. Kinzz asked a question of those who support gay marriage. And I answered her honestly.

Yes brother diwana did pull the lie abt gay people being opposed to heterosexual marriage out of nowhere. Won’t hold my breath waiting for u to condemn his lie. To u my comment was more offensive than his lie about a whole set of people. Carry on Redvelvet. Carry on.

[redvelvet]

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@Southie

Do you have comprehension issues. Kinzz asked a question of those who support gay marriage. And I answered her honestly.

Yes brother diwana did pull the lie abt gay people being opposed to heterosexual marriage out of his ash. Won’t hold my breath waiting for u to condemn his lie. To u my comment was more offensive than his lie about a whole set of people. Carry on Redvelvet. Carry on.

Oh you answered her honestly alright, there’s no debating there. But your tone was not of tolerance; her views pissed you off.

If he has lied about a whole set of people, you see a good majority of members here as “sheep.” A stereotype is no better than a lie.

[bella88]

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@redvelvet

What is so respectable about Southie using the world ash..variant of a$$? Nothing at all. I’ve said ‘damn’ a few times, I cam admit that’s not respectable language.

Kinzz only questioned the validity of gay marriages, she’s not stopping such marriages. And she is one who respects people regardless of opposing lifestyles; I personally know her. But Southie can’t even let her question or express her opinion? Has he (or even you for that matter) set a condition that one can only open their mouth if they share the same views as you? How does THIS reflect live and let live? It doesn’t.

If you’re gonna defend Southie, at least be fair and willing to admit when he is wrong or out of line.

southie presented his view on why he thinks gay marriage is natural as a response to kinzz. did he attack or insult her? just like you quoted my post and explained why you think its unnatural. isn’t that the whole point of a forum? as far as diwana, he has also been name calling for a long time now, i have had many discussions/arguments with him and he always resorts to calling his opponents stupid and uneducated. so for someone whos constantly dishing it, they should be able to take it too, no? And RV, didn’t you make a really nasty comment which about me and southie not too long ago because he was ‘liking’ my posts? ab bhool gai kya? i think everyone here has attacked everyone at some point, whether in retaliation or just disagreement, so its silly to complain about it.

[Southie]

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@redvelvet

What is so respectable about Southie using the world ash..variant of a$$? Nothing at all. I’ve said ‘damn’ a few times, I cam admit that’s not respectable language.

Kinzz only questioned the validity of gay marriages, she’s not stopping such marriages. And she is one who respects people regardless of opposing lifestyles; I personally know her. But Southie can’t even let her question or express her opinion? Has he (or even you for that matter) set a condition that one can only open their mouth if they share the same views as you? How does THIS reflect live and let live? It doesn’t.

I.

When did I state Kinzz is stopping gay marriage. She asked a question out of a genuine interest to learn abt this issue. Why are you twisting this.

I have know Kinzz as a forum member. She is is one of the nicest and most decent members I have come across. Don’t try to start trouble where none exists.

[Southie]

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@bella88

southie presented his view on why he thinks gay marriage is natural as a response to kinzz. just like you quoted my post and explained why you think its unnatural.

Thank you. Kinzz wanted to know abt this issue. I could see she was genuinely puzzled abt gay marriage. Not sure what the issue is here.

Anyway, good night.

[diwana]

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[Southie]

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@redvelvet

For someone who is all about “live and let live”…you could not even tolerate Kinzz expressing her opinion. Newsflash…opinions do not have to be on the same page…for one to live and let live. Practice the motto yourself first, otherwise it sounds like nothing more than BAKWAAS when you preach it. “Kapish?” End of.

At this pont u r engaging in disjonesty. I have clearly explained I was responding to Kinzz s inquify. She asked a question and I answered it the best I could.
.no I don’t kapish ur twisting things. Good night. Not responding to anymore drivel from you.

[redvelvet]

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@diwana

Need more?

^Oh I was the first to use “bayghairat”…and I used it for the customer’s actions which I though were cheap, I wasn’t referring to his orientation (as Southie had incorrectly assumed) though I don’t support the latter. But the word bugged him so much he ran with it…using it liberally in his posts.

[bella88]

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diwana please just stop this whining. have you only used the most kind words for others? please stop with this over sensitivity when you clearly dont show any to others.

[redvelvet]

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I can admit to it at least. No my tone has not been respectful at all times. You/Southie should be able to admit to rudeness as well. Defend Southie if you must, but do it fairly.

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@Kinzz

I Haven’t read all replies here. Just a question to those who support gay marriage. How is even gay marriage logical when they can’t have kids? The MARRIAGE is between man and woman.so that they can start a family and this is how its going on since forever.

People get married for many reasons & not just for procreation. Also, gay people can have kids. Just b/c they are gay does not mean are incapable of reproducing.

Here is an example of kid who was brought up by 2 moms (one of them was his biological mother).

[gudiaali]

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@Southie

You stated live and let live. Not I. Looks like ur version of live and let live is selective.

do you support Ahmedis calling themselves Muslims? Or do you support criminalization of this?
Do you support decriminalization of adultery?

Do you support Sharia law and it’s interference with what people do behind closed doors
Do you support decriminalization of alcohol consumption in places with sharia law?

Easy to say live and let live. Let’s see where u stand in each of these issues.

instead of bringing 10 other scenario, try to first address the one that is being discussed.
my version is not selective but you have proved that yours is:
one place you are advocating that gays should have all the freedom they want and on the other hand you are denying the freedom of the bakers to say no to any of their customers.
if gays should not be discriminated on basis of their sexual orientation then a business should also not be discriminated on the basis of their religious belief. this is my version of live and let live.
but alas, i know people(like the gay couple in question, and others supporting that they were right in taking somebody to the courts for sticking to their religious or moral beliefs), would never be open minded enough to accept this version of the motto.

[gudiaali]

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@bella88

and i think when there is discrimination and anti-gay comments, i will speak against it. basic human rights and humanity teaches that all humans should be treated equally. i give more importance to human rights than any thing else. thats what i believe in. enough said?

the reason why i mentioned your double standard exposed is because of the comment you made regarding muslims in india being discriminated. if its wrong to discriminate muslims, its wrong to discriminate anyone based on sexual orientation as well.

just a question to you if you wolud like to answer: where does these basic human rights and humanity comes from?

[Shamraz_Khan]

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@gudiaali

if gays should not be discriminated on basis of their sexual orientation then a business should also not be discriminated on the basis of their religious belief.

Would you be ok if you were denied service based on lets say on racial or religious grounds?

Btw, in the US the Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin”, etc., (notice sexual orientation is not included in this). Therefore, technically you can deny service based on that since its not covered by the federal law.

[bella88]

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@gudiaali

just a question to you if you wolud like to answer: where does these basic human rights and humanity comes from?

that comment was for those who feel that ‘sinners’ shouldn’t be treated equally or dont have the right to speak up against discrimination/segragation. as far as this particular issue, i have already stated my opinion a million times. if you dont agree with me, you dont have to. i cannot repeat the same point over and over.

[muqawwee123]

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@Kinzz

I Haven’t read all replies here. Just a question to those who support gay marriage. How is even gay marriage logical when they can’t have kids? The MARRIAGE is between man and woman.so that they can start a family and this is how its going on since forever.

@redvelvet

Woh phir yeh kahain ge k kuch heterosexual couples k bachay nahi ho saktay ya bachay nahi chahtay or that some don’t get married with the aim of having kids, that it’s not necessary, etc.

been there, knew that.

BTW, those who blame religion for persecution of homos, should first go through the religious teachings about this sin. At least, Quran mentions 3 opportunities before sending azaab to them.

(i) The Prophet Lut (AS) kept on preaching them for years and promised God’s forgiveness if they rectify their deeds. the answer was very similar like today’s lot. Only you are the ethical one and paak saaf.

(ii) When angels told another Prophet Abraham (AS) that they went sent for punishment of Quom e Lut (AS), he kept on insisting for their forgiveness.

(iii) When they reach Lut’s house, these homos came behind angels considering them their prey (as they came as handsome men). This was the height of their pervert nature. When Lut asked them that his daughters (daughters of the nation) are available to marry, they said they had no interest in ladies.

Then came the punishment for those perverted people.

All this prove that there is no concept of zero tolerance in religious teachings for homos. Two of the Prophets were trying to preach and get forgiveness for them. They were not denied rights. Prophet was offering his daughters to marry. He spent most of his life preaching them, so he might have interacted with them like people living in same society do. There is no mention of boycott till the time of punishment, though they were told that they are involved in commiting an act which is sin before the God.

PS: This post is not intended for shallow human right activists, so no quotes please.

[Southie]

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@bella88

if southie attacked without ever being attacked by that member, then he is wrong and im sure he will admit it too. :

Thanks bella. I did say some words abt the gentleman even though he hadn’t said anything about me personally. I admit it. My fault.

[Ghost14]

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Please keep the discussion civil and avoid the personal attacks.

[Southie]

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It is homosexuals. Not homos. It is my understanding the latter is a disrespectful way of referring to gays.

[Southie]

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@gudiaali

instead of bringing 10 other scenario, try to first address the one that is being discussed.
my version is not selective but you have proved that yours is:
one place you are advocating that gays should have all the freedom they want and on the other hand you are denying the freedom of the bakers to say no to any of their customers.
if gays should not be discriminated on basis of their sexual orientation then a business should also not be discriminated on the basis of their religious belief. this is my version of live and let live.
but alas, i know people(like the gay couple in question, and others supporting that they were right in taking somebody to the courts for sticking to their religious or moral beliefs), would never be open minded enough to accept this version of the motto.

Dear guidali

First, thank you kindly for your advice re “trying to focus on scenario being discussed”.With respect, let me point out you had used the phrase “live and let live”.

In my humble opinion, it is entirely appropriate to then query you on what does the phrase “Live and let live” mean to you. If you think otherwise, that is OK too. Or, for whatever reason, you feel uncomfortable answering what to me is a set of reasonable questions, that would also be perfectly fine. However, your reluctance to answer the said questions does open the door for assumptions with respect to what exactly the “Live and let live” phrase means to you.

Cheers.