Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action

[redvelvet]

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@Kinzz

I Haven’t read all replies here. Just a question to those who support gay marriage. How is even gay marriage logical when they can’t have kids? The MARRIAGE is between man and woman.so that they can start a family and this is how its going on since forever.

Woh phir yeh kahain ge k kuch heterosexual couples k bachay nahi ho saktay ya bachay nahi chahtay or that some don’t get married with the aim of having kids, that it’s not necessary, etc.

[KKF]

Re: Christian bakers refuse gay wedding cake - face legal action

@Kinzz

I Haven’t read all replies here. Just a question to those who support gay marriage. How is even gay marriage logical when they can’t have kids? The MARRIAGE is between man and woman.so that they can start a family and this is how its going on since forever.

some Gay / Lesbian couples adopt children…it’s legal for them to adopt.

in Ontario, the books in schools had to change to reflect the new family system. the family now comprises of:

1. child + mom + dad
2. child + mom + mom
3. child + dad +dad

[redvelvet]

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@diwana

Let’s see, the name calling is continued but no credible answer.

Gays would go even that far to give evidences where they will support polygamy in order to refute ,

“Marriage is between a man and a woman”.

Let’s find a gay who agrees with it. Shall we?

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Diwana, you already know my stance on homosexuality; I don’t approve of it as Allah has said it’s a gunnah and you already know where I stand on the baker vs customer case.

The quote/command “Marriage is between a man and a woman”…clearly implies that marriage can ONLY be between a man and a woman. Is it not possible that some gays have a problem with the “only” implication of the command…as in they believe that marriage is not only limited to the opposite gender pairings but can also include same-sex unions. So when one believes that something is not limited to one method, then doesn’t that imply that they accept the original method as well as other methods? It does not necessarily equate to a complete rejection of the original.

[Southie]

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@Kinzz

I Haven’t read all replies here. Just a question to those who support gay marriage. How is even gay marriage logical when they can’t have kids? The MARRIAGE is between man and woman.so that they can start a family and this is how its going on since forever.

That is your view. The world is changing. There are gays who want to get married. Live and let live. What is it to you.

As for why “those who support gay marriage” do so, it is because they believe in Live and Let live.

Just because that’s the way it has been in the past doesn’t mean it should continue forever. Slavery was the norm few hundred years ago. Even in the early sixties coloreds had to sit in the back of the bus. So should these have also continued? The just because this is the way it has been done justification is not for folks who think for themselves. It is for those who follow. Each of us has a choice if we follow unjust practices. Or foster change.

[Southie]

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@redvelvet

Woh phir yeh kahain ge k kuch heterosexual couples k bachay nahi ho saktay ya bachay nahi chahtay or that some don’t get married with the aim of having kids, that it’s not necessary, etc.

No. Nothing to do with that. It is about Live and Let live. It is about having compassion and respect for fellow human beings. It is abt the fact that marriage is a legal institution with certain benefits for the spouse and kids. And maybe gays deserve that too.

Something about open minds would be appropriate.

[Southie]

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@diwana

Amused to see the desperation.

People come and bring fake support of homosexuality and so called liberties… just to argue and show Anti-religious sentiments, yet they don’t know jack about the issue.

No. They don’t pull lies. By the way, calling a lie a lie is not name calling. It is telling the truth. Try it. It is religious.

[redvelvet]

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@Southie

That is your view. The world is changing. There are gays who want to get married. Live and let live. What is it to you.

As for why “those who support gay marriage” do so, it is because they believe in Live and Let live. Maybe so should you.

She’s questioning the logic of such a marriage. What is to you? She’s not going out there with a pitchfork to stop gay marriages or your world from changing …so that means she can’t even question or express her opinion? She is one of the ‘religious sheep’ you’re so damn averse to. The fact that she’s not preventing gay marriages is not ENOUGH for you…you also want this religious sheep to shut her mouth if she’s not going to uphold the same views on gay marriage as YOU. You don’t want her to exercise her basic right or freedom to voice her opinion within the context of her religion. Let the religious folk not even open their mouths unless their views are in accordance with Southie Sahib’s.

This is what I’ve been saying all along, that you want the gays to live their lives but you cannot stand a religious person expressing their views. You want religious folks to have nothing, nothing at all…not even their voice or opinions…only the gays can express themselves.

I don’t give a damn if you find this post of mine to ‘looooong’ to read, a shorter post would not have made a dent’s worth of difference in your prenudice. Rather this post is more for the rest of the viewers so that they SEE what you’re doing here and how you perceive them and their rights.

[diwana]

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@redvelvet

Diwana, you already know my stance on homosexuality; I don’t approve of it as Allah has said it’s a gunnah and you already know where I stand on the baker vs customer case.

The quote/command “Marriage is between a man and a woman”…clearly implies that marriage can ONLY be between a man and a woman. Is it not possible that some gays have a problem with the “only” implication of the command…as in they believe that marriage is not only limited to the opposite gender pairings but can also include same-sex unions. So when one believes that something is not limited to one method, then doesn’t that imply that they accept the original method as well as other methods? It does not necessarily equate to a complete rejection of the original.

Yes it does.

I read your post above and knew what you meant. Did not want to go in much detail.

NVM. Check your message.

[diwana]

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@Southie

No. They don’t pull. By the way, calling a lie a lie is not name calling. It is telling the truth. Try it. It is religious.

You do need to start getting civil and talk like a human being for once. You have been throwing words to everyone who opposes you and being emotional and strong is one thing but losing mind over an issue is not nice. You have been tolerated for too long.

[redvelvet]

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@Southie

No. Nothing to do with that. It is about Live and Let live. It is about having compassion and respect for fellow human beings. It is abt the fact that marriage is a legal institution with certain benefits for the spouse and kids. And maybe gays deserve that too.

Something about open minds would be appropriate.

For someone who is all about “live and let live”…you could not even tolerate Kinzz expressing her opinion. Newsflash…opinions do not have to be on the same page…for one to live and let live. Practice the motto yourself first, otherwise it sounds like nothing more than BAKWAAS when you preach it. “Kapish?” End of.

[redvelvet]

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Diwana I don’t understand how it would also mean a rejection of the original method. Do you mimd explaining it?

[diwana]

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@redvelvet

Diwana I don’t understand how it would also mean a rejection of the original method. Do you mimd explaining it?

I do not want to write here, let the uneducated uncivil lot live in their own bubble, check your message. Besides it is off topic.

[bella88]

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whoever mentioned gays cannot have children, in addition to adoption, they can also use medical procedures, female couple can use a sperm donation, or gay male couple can find a surrogate who can give birth to their biological child and have the baby for them. all it takes is a 1 sperm, 1 egg to make a baby, whether you’re gay or straight. this is not rocket science people. this happens all the time. even straight infertile couples can use IVF, surrogates, sperm and egg donors, then so can gay couples. do you tell infertile couples not to use ‘unnatural’ methods to reproduce? i bet not. so please dont tel homosexuals that they are doing anything unnatural either.

[bella88]

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@diwana

I do not want to write here, let the uneducated uncivil lot live in their own bubble, check your message. Besides it is off topic.

so its okay for you to make attacks on others, but you whine and cry when someone else calls you out on your false accusation?

[redvelvet]

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@bella88

i bet not. so please dont tel homosexuals that they are doing anything unnatural either.

Your claim that it is unnatural is debatable. There are couples with fertility issues but it can be argued that at least their opposite wirings are conducive to the making of a child. There can be defects within the system but they are at leased designed to be compatible in producing child. For those who believe that the definition of “natural” is that which easily facilitates something…then same sex pairings do not easily or naturally facilitate the birth of a child.

[Southie]

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@redvelvet

She’s questioning the logic of such a marriage. What is to you? She’s not going out there with a pitchfork to stop gay marriages or your world from changing …so that means she can’t even question or express her opinion? She is one of the ‘religious sheep’ you’re so damn averse to. The fact that she’s not preventing gay marriages is not ENOUGH for you…you also want this religious sheep to shut her mouth if she’s not going to uphold the same views on gay marriage as YOU. You don’t want her to exercise her basic right or freedom to voice her opinion within the context of her religion. Let the religious folk not even open their mouths unless their views are in accordance with Southie Sahib’s.

This is what I’ve been saying all along, that you want the gays to live their lives but you cannot stand a religious person expressing their views. You want religious folks to have nothing, nothing at all…not even their voice or opinions…only the gays can express themselves.

I don’t give a damn if you find this post of mine to ‘looooong’ to read, a shorter post would not have made a dent’s worth of difference in your prenudice. Rather this post is more for the rest of the viewers so that they SEE what you’re doing here and how you perceive them and their rights.

She asked a question. And I provided an honest answer.

I did come back to edit out maybe so should you cause that was my opinion on what she should do. And I realized she didn’t ask for my opinion.

PS I skimmed ur post. Hope I hit all the points Redvelvet.

[bella88]

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@redvelvet

Your claim that it is unnatural is debatable. There are couples with fertility issues but it can be argued that at least their opposite wirings are conducive to the making of a child. There can be defects within the system but they are at leased designed to be compatible in producing child. For those who believe that the definition of “natural” is that which easily facilitates something…then same sex pairings do not easily or facilitate the birth of a child.

this is so off-topic, but my point is,that ‘not able to have children’ shouldn’t be a reason to make a marriage unnatural. if you’re using religion as a reason, thats a different story. many heterosexual couples dont marry for the sake of children either, and many of them remain childless on purpose. im sure no one calls their marriage unnatural. and many times, they even use sperm or egg donation if their own are faulty or use other medical procedures which are not exactly natural either. if they are allowed to use medical technology to make a baby, so can homosexuals. you can think its unnatural, im just telling you why i think its not unnatural. you can debate my point all you want, but its a fact that in this day and age, making a biological baby is possible for any person as long as they have a sperm and an egg. gay, straight doesn’t matter. i dont need to be straight or married to have a biological baby. i can go to any doctor, and get pregnant with sperm donation. whether im gay or straight, it doesn’t matter biologically. religiously is a different story.

[redvelvet]

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@bella88

so its okay for you to make attacks on others, but you whine and cry when someone else calls you out on your false accusation?

Kinzz only questioned the validity of gay marriages, she’s not stopping such marriages. And she is one who respects people regardless of opposing lifestyles; I personally know her. But Southie can’t even let her question or express her opinion? Has he (or even you for that matter) set a condition that one can only open their mouth if they share the same views as you? How does THIS reflect live and let live? It doesn’t.

If you’re gonna defend Southie, at least be fair and willing to admit when he is wrong or out of line.

[diwana]

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@bella88

so its okay for you to make attacks on others, but you whine and cry when someone else calls you out on your false accusation?

Calling someone uneducated or uncivil is not calling names, but calling someone persistently liar based on lack of knowledge itself is.

Please go read about that statement and its implications and then come back.

This thread is begging to be cleaned up.

[Southie]

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@bella88

so its okay for you to make attacks on others, but you whine and cry when someone else calls you out on your false accusation?

It is society’s duty to stand up against such BLATANT lies. When decent people stay quite in the face of such lies, society is doomed.