China is NOT our friend

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India is a big country.....with huge population rate......& Muslims are a big minority.....but it doesn't mean that WE open the borders.....we wish & pray that better Muslims of India make a New Muslim country :)

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Muslims in India made a new country called "Pakistan" and we are all suffering because of it. I guess they would have learned the lesson by now and not try to make another one.

Back to the topic:

China has a national policy towards dissidents. They have applied this policy to ALL and now that the Muslims are causing trouble, they face the same reaction from CCP.

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Nothing, as I do not know any theological state in India and neither I am that emotional about patriotism as I personally think nationalism actually stems people's interaction and subsequent knowledge generation

Interaction among state is global phenomena and it is multi-sided. ISIS & Emirate of Afghanistan (Taliban). A response of British high-handedness could be both Ataturk and Gandhi. Whatever process that a community go through, it should be mature enough to face the consequences of his action

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And will it be any good, the powerful one-third people of subcontinent are already divided up in 3 parts, India, Pak and Bangladesh. What they can't achieve, do you sincerely think fourth one could achieve?

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China IS Pakistan's friend, that is investing billions of dollars in Pakistan's economy which will create millions of jobs and eliminate load shedding. China has also said that it will come to Pakistan's defence if any nation attacks Pakistan. To quote China: "An attack on Pakistan is an attack on China" Because of China, the Americans and Indians backed of an invasion several times. Although one major reason India backed of from an Invasion after 2008 Mumbai attack was cause of Pak's atomic weapon. America however was planning an invasion under the pretext of securing Pak's atomic/nuclear bombs from getting in the hands of terrorists, and once again after the so called Bin Ladins death. But when China said "An attack on Pakistan is an attack on China" America backed of.

The Pakistani government has expressed their support to China in their fight against the terrorist that are killing innocent Chinese people. Unfortunately the ordinary Chinese people think that the terrorists killing the innocent people is something supported by the Islamic religion hence they are responding by banning Islamic activities.

What the ordinary Chinese people don't realize is that these terrorists are supported by the Western intelligence agencies just like the ones that are destabilizing Pakistan,Russia,Syria, Iraq, Nigeria etc... In Syria the Western Intelligence agencies are openly supporting extremists and overthrowing a government. Banning Islam will not solve the problem, because Islam never supports killing innocent people. What they should do is be more rebost in exposing extremists who receive western funding.

Since Pakistan is also being destabilized by western sponsored terrorists, these events should bring Pak/China more closer together, and Pakistan should influence and help China distinguish between Islam and extremism, so the Chinese government doesn't collectively punish the Muslims for the actions of a small misguided western sponsored group.

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I think, China, just like Pakistan and all the other countries around the world, is under pressure from the west to ban religions or turn secular. As that is the ultimate aim of dajjal. Because with people following religions and their Gods, people will not obey dajjal when he arrives. So his agents are making sure there are maximum number of brain washed people who can be ruled over and enslaved. As you can see all the recent (sponsored) blasphemy cases on christians and other minorities and most recently on a singer-turned muslim, Pakistani people are already screaming "Ban islam", "Secular Pakistan"... That is the ultimate aim... to make a unified world - ONE WORLD - to rule over by dajjal... where no religions are practiced and no GOD is worshiped by people but only he is worshiped.

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China was way ahead when they kicked Dalai Lama out.

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I like your posts, am glad that there are intelligent people like you who understand the dajjaal conspiracy.

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so the west has put pressure on commis to ban religion. i see… very smart and bright people on GS. :rolleyes:

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@ukhan99 Thanks :bravo:

:roman:

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You appear to be confused, based on the first sentence.

"Ban religions or turn secular" implies that if one is secular, one is for banning religion. Nothing is farther from the truth.

As a secular person, I respect your right to believe in your god. And dajjal. Or whatever else. Secular people are AGAINST banning religion. Secular people are also against government being run by religious laws. A truly secular person would fight for every citizen to practise whatever faith he believes in. And also respect the right of an atheist to practice no religion at all.

Now that is freedom. I am sure you will he a strong proponent of the above outlined core principles of secularism.

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In Islam, sovereignty belongs to God, not to any human, state, people or satan (dajjal). In Islam, God has laid out principles in how to run a muslim state. Not the principles as today's confused muslims and murderers misusing Islam have defined but principles as defined by Quran & sunnah. If true Islamic law is understood and applied in running a state, so many social diseases will disappear including the problem of Islamic extremism.

I dont know what kind of law a secular state follows or if humans create its laws. But Islamic laws, if followed in true essence without the mis-interpretation by the JAHIL followers using their deficient intellects, are too beautiful and provide protection and peace to all... minorities, women, kids, old age citizens. Dajjalic system is the opposite of islamic system where everyone will be a slave of the state which will be ruled by satan aka dajjal.

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So in your mind, you equate Secular people being against religion based laws to secular people being in favor of banning religion? Because in your earlier post, you stated as such. And now you have ignored the rest of my post that explained secular people support freedom of EVERY citizen to practice his faith. Or no faith at all.

Would you agree that your definition of secularism was INCORRECT? And would you, in all honesty, accept that the definition I gave is the correct one?

It is a simple and direct question.

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We don't believe that the rise of secularism in the world is based on the uthopian thinking that you have provided . But rather an ideology promoted by a satanic western shadow government, with the aim of fulfilling a divine mission of misguiding people away from God and eventually lead them to pray to a Messiah figure that will appear in the End Times called the Anti-Christ, known as dajjal in Islam. So just because you claim to be a good secular person doesn't mean that you represent secularism.

Anyways watch some Islamic videos on Dajjal and tell us what you think.

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^ I would have to politely disagree with your description of secularism.

But surely, if you believe in individual freedom, you would support secularism as I defined it?

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China's constitution, right from early days allow for religious activity within certain norms. Many non-sanctioned religious groups also exist but they are curtailed only if they engage in public activity.

I don't know how you come to conclusion that China is curtailing religions due to western pressure. The west itself does not curtail religious practice, so they have no reason to pressure anyone else. And China is way too strong economically and politically to bow to such pressures.

Also I want to add that there is typically MORE 'real' religious freedom in the west than in so called muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and that has nothing to do with western pressure. Did the west pressure create Sunni Shia issues?

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Or did the west create the Ram janmabhoomi issue in Hindu countries such as India?

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Europe divided in many states....they are achieving......if our Govt will be fair enough we'll also achieve although we r 1/3 or 1/4 :)

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if YOU r suffering Kaka G thats ur problem but WE are happy & very much happy in Pakistan & with Pakistan....may Pakistan live long, ameen

Back to the topic:

We respect national policies of our all neighbouring countries specially our beloved China......hope Govt. of China, Muslims & CCPs will also understand and make a route which will be acceptable for all

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@Southie Read in Blue

So in your mind, you equate Secular people being against religion based laws to secular people being in favor of banning religion?

I was not ‘equating’ secularism with banning religion. That is what you understood as me as. As a Pakistani, I was saying that PAKISTAN does not need to adopt secularism (where sovereignty does not belong to God but state) or ban religion all together like China but educate the JAHIL muslims. Hope you understand now.

Because in your earlier post, you stated as such.

No faith as in RUNNING GOVERNMENTS which is same as secularism as in secularism, the state laws are man-made and sovereignty belongs to the people running the state. The system is already there but in future the people running state will be direct slaves/agents of satan/dajjal. Because secularism will allow satan to rule over the people even if they do not want to. Let me know if Im still not clear so I’ll clarify it further.

And now you have ignored the rest of my post that explained secular people support freedom of EVERY citizen to practice his faith. Or no faith at all.

I did not IGNORE your post but I carefully read it. I quoted the part of the post which was relevant (I usually like to quote only the part of the post of someone to which I am responding to simplify it for the readers. It does not mean I have ignored the rest of their post) in my comparison of secularism VS Islamic laws in running a state to emphasize why secularism is not good for an Islamic state. It is because as per Islam, the power of the world belongs to God almighty and no other entity in the universe. If I did not quote you does not mean I have ignored it.

Would you agree that your definition of secularism was INCORRECT? And would you, in all honesty, accept that the definition I gave is the correct one?

***I did not define secularism in my posts except saying that it rejects sovereignty of one God to run the state making way for any other entity to claim sovereignty. So considering that secularism also aids to dajjalic system to rule over the people of the world and enslave them. That is what Im saying. I did not ‘define’ secularism as I am not representing the same. You are. So, you can define it. I was comparing it VS banning religion and VS Islamic law in terms of running a state.

It is a simple and direct question.

Hope I have simplified by explanation enough for your understanding.