China is NOT our friend

[Humaira_Noor]

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@ukhan99

China IS Pakistan’s friend, that is investing billions of dollars in Pakistan’s economy which will create millions of jobs and eliminate load shedding. China has also said that it will come to Pakistan’s defence if any nation attacks Pakistan. To quote China: “An attack on Pakistan is an attack on China” Because of China, the Americans and Indians backed of an invasion several times. Although one major reason India backed of from an Invasion after 2008 Mumbai attack was cause of Pak’s atomic weapon. America however was planning an invasion under the pretext of securing Pak’s atomic/nuclear bombs from getting in the hands of terrorists, and once again after the so called Bin Ladins death. But when China said “An attack on Pakistan is an attack on China” America backed of.

The Pakistani government has expressed their support to China in their fight against the terrorist that are killing innocent Chinese people. Unfortunately the ordinary Chinese people think that the terrorists killing the innocent people is something supported by the Islamic religion hence they are responding by banning Islamic activities.

What the ordinary Chinese people don’t realize is that these terrorists are supported by the Western intelligence agencies just like the ones that are destabilizing Pakistan,Russia,Syria, Iraq, Nigeria etc… In Syria the Western Intelligence agencies are openly supporting extremists and overthrowing a government. Banning Islam will not solve the problem, because Islam never supports killing innocent people. What they should do is be more rebost in exposing extremists who receive western funding.

Since Pakistan is also being destabilized by western sponsored terrorists, these events should bring Pak/China more closer together, and Pakistan should influence and help China distinguish between Islam and extremism, so the Chinese government doesn’t collectively punish the Muslims for the actions of a small misguided western sponsored group.

voice from the heart of every Pakistani

very true ukhan99](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/members/ukhan99.html) :k:

[Humaira_Noor]

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@Sady

I think, China, just like Pakistan and all the other countries around the world, is under pressure from the west to ban religions or turn secular. As that is the ultimate aim of dajjal. Because with people following religions and their Gods, people will not obey dajjal when he arrives. So his agents are making sure there are maximum number of brain washed people who can be ruled over and enslaved. As you can see all the recent (sponsored) blasphemy cases on christians and other minorities and most recently on a singer-turned muslim, Pakistani people are already screaming “Ban islam”, “Secular Pakistan”… That is the ultimate aim… to make a unified world - ONE WORLD - to rule over by dajjal… where no religions are practiced and no GOD is worshiped by people but only he is worshiped.

very true & thought provoking who believes…nyc Sady :k:

[Southie]

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@Sady

@Southie Read in Blue

So in your mind, you equate Secular people being against religion based laws to secular people being in favor of banning religion?

I was not ‘equating’ secularism with banning religion. That is what you understood as me as. As a Pakistani, I was saying that PAKISTAN does not need to adopt secularism (where sovereignty does not belong to God but state) or ban religion all together like China but educate the JAHIL muslims. Hope you understand now.

Because in your earlier post, you stated as such.

No faith as in RUNNING GOVERNMENTS which is same as secularism as in secularism, the state laws are man-made and sovereignty belongs to the people running the state. The system is already there but in future the people running state will be direct slaves/agents of satan/dajjal. Because secularism will allow satan to rule over the people even if they do not want to. Let me know if Im still not clear so I’ll clarify it further.

And now you have ignored the rest of my post that explained secular people support freedom of EVERY citizen to practice his faith. Or no faith at all.

I did not IGNORE your post but I carefully read it. I quoted the part of the post which was relevant (I usually like to quote only the part of the post of someone to which I am responding to simplify it for the readers. It does not mean I have ignored the rest of their post) in my comparison of secularism VS Islamic laws in running a state to emphasize why secularism is not good for an Islamic state. It is because as per Islam, the power of the world belongs to God almighty and no other entity in the universe. If I did not quote you does not mean I have ignored it.

Would you agree that your definition of secularism was INCORRECT? And would you, in all honesty, accept that the definition I gave is the correct one?

***I did not define secularism in my posts except saying that it rejects sovereignty of one God to run the state making way for any other entity to claim sovereignty. So considering that secularism also aids to dajjalic system to rule over the people of the world and enslave them. That is what Im saying. I did not ‘define’ secularism as I am not representing the same. You are. So, you can define it. I was comparing it VS banning religion and VS Islamic law in terms of running a state.

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It is a simple and direct question.

Hope I have simplified by explanation enough for your understanding.

Yes. I understand your explanation. Since you didn’t ask whether I agreed with it, I won’t say I disagree.

[Sady]

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I could not continue with my posts because I had to go away. I wanted to ask:

Who do you think is the creator of this world and the universe? You have to choose one from the below options or add your own but dont add an essay because I want to keep this very simple, direct and specific:

1. God
2. Satan
3. Human created itself.
4. Any other entity (Add here any name of your own who you think created the universe, this world and the system)

But surely, if you believe in individual freedom, you would support secularism as I defined it?

[Sady]

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@Samir Mirchandani

When I refer to the “west”, I am referring to the satanic elements of the west who are indeed working for satan (which has been identified by various western people themselves), I am not referring to orthodox believers of Christianity and other religions.

The shia/sunni issues were created long before I was born. And during the time of the prophet PBUH, there were no sunnis and no shias and no other sectors. There were just muslims. But from what I have read about it is that the origin of that issue goes to the follower of another religion, not muslim. I think he was able to do it due to the jahalat of the muslims and their own incapability of understanding Islam.

@Samir_Mirchandani

I don’t know how you come to conclusion that China is curtailing religions due to western pressure. The west itself does not curtail religious practice, so they have no reason to pressure anyone else. And China is way too strong economically and politically to bow to such pressures.

Also I want to add that there is typically MORE ‘real’ religious freedom in the west than in so called muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and that has nothing to do with western pressure. Did the west pressure create Sunni Shia issues?

[Sady]

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You have already said you disagree with it and if you're an atheist, that does not surprise me.

Yes. I understand your explanation. Since you didn't ask whether I agreed with it, I won't say I disagree.

[Southie]

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You have already said you disagree with it and if you're an atheist, that does not surprise me.

Fair minded people regardless of their religious affiliation may have a disagreement.

Or two.

[Southie]

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I could not continue with my posts because I had to go away. I wanted to ask:

Who do you think is the creator of this world and the universe? You have to choose one from the below options or add your own but dont add an essay because I want to keep this very simple, direct and specific:

1. God
2. Satan
3. Human created itself.
4. Any other entity (Add here any name of your own who you think created the universe, this world and the system)

This is a round roti (RR) approach. My RR skills are non existent.

By the way, isn't the World a subset of the Universe?
What is "the system"

[Sady]

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@Southie

What is a round roti approach?

Yes the world is a subset of the universe. The the same creator who created the world and the world’s system also created the universe and the system on which the universe runs. I say that the creator is God. Who do you say it is?

The system(s) on which the world and the universe are designed to run. Like the sun has to rise from the east, set in the west. With sun rise comes the day, with sunset approaches the night. The biology of all the living things in the world, the stars, moons, planets in the universe and how they rotate, on what pace, timings, etc. All of that and alot more is “the system”.

[Southie]

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I am not a physicist. Some say the Big Bang created the Universe.

As for the round roti - the perfect round roti has yet to be created.

[Arleitter]

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Enemy's enemy is friend.

[Med911]

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They may not be a friend, but they certainly arent an enemy.

[Samir_Mirchandani]

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China gets a lot of value from Pakistan for a few billion here and there. So they'd be friendly towards Pakistan mostly. What's surprising about that.

[Sahdia77]

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China is wrong in what it's doing to Islam. Pakistan is wrong in mistreating people from other religions too. I don't see how we are better or worse in this case.

[queer]

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When I refer to the "west", I am referring to the satanic elements of the west who are indeed working for satan

jesus wept.

this is politics forum, not doomsday prophesies and other fantasies section. no one is working for any mythical satan. 21st century here. time to drop these primitive fairytales and confront reality.

[ukhan99]

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jesus wept.

this is politics forum, not doomsday prophesies and other fantasies section. no one is working for any mythical satan. 21st century here. time to drop these primitive fairytales and confront reality.

Dajjal and Satan(iblis) are not fairytales, don't expect Muslims to reject these things like the kaafirs have done.

[Sady]

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Im not a physicist either. Just a normal human. Not a perfectionist either (RR concept).

So I take it you have chosen 4th option from below putting "Big Bang" there which created the world, the universe and the system??? Please confirm:

1. God
2. Satan
3. Human created itself.
4. Any other entity (Add here any name of your own who you think created the universe, this world and the system)

I am not a physicist. Some say the Big Bang created the Universe.

As for the round roti - the perfect round roti has yet to be created.

[Sady]

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People like you today are so immersed in the world (fake, dumbsh!t global 'politics' is a part of it which has brainwashed majority people in the world) that the facts do sound 'primitive', 'fairytales', 'fantasies', 'myths' to them. The older people were actually smarter than you think you are in the 21st century and your 'science'. But I dont blame you as I was also blinded before and used to think science is the truth and holds all the 'knowledge' that humans should have. The reality is quite different but again, we were also warned that not everyone will have the inner eyes to see the things as they are. The great deceiver will be able to do that to people and they will believe him. He will make the drought appear as rain and rain as drought and the people will believe. Here, you are one example of that 'prophesy'.

jesus wept.

this is politics forum, not doomsday prophesies and other fantasies section. no one is working for any mythical satan. 21st century here. time to drop these primitive fairytales and confront reality.

[Southie]

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Im not a physicist either. Just a normal human. Not a perfectionist either (RR concept).

So I take it you have chosen 4th option from below putting "Big Bang" there which created the world, the universe and the system??? Please confirm:

1. God
2. Satan
3. Human created itself.
4. Any other entity (Add here any name of your own who you think created the universe, this world and the system)

So confirmed.

The round roti reference was wrt circular logic approach. I am afraid I am being the enabler, as together, we start drawing a perfect circle.

[crabman]

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theoretically you can not draw a perfect circle. The closest approximation is through an iterative process which is to draw overlapping figures of 3, 4, 5, 6,....infinite sides and finally the resulting budge is a circle. Its accuracy depends on number of figures overlapped.
While doing so, try listening to a song 3-Libras by A Perfect Circle (James Maynard Keenen), will help you relax...