Case of Punjab...we refuse to be lesser citizens...

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May be, may be not. Depends on your ethnic and social background.

Generally speaking, the leftists and socialists are anti-landowners.

Time Pass... Feb 2014
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This is another retarded provincialist thread. While the rest of the world, even the S. Asian region is pulling ahead with economic reforms, we are still stuck in this myopic discussion of "punjab this, sindh that." Pakistan, within the spirit of Lahore resolution and the 1973 Constitution should devolve power from the Center.

If Punjab pulls ahead than other provinces then kudos, no hatred there. We must transform the power structure in Pakistan to give the smaller provinces, the ability to govern locally. Up until recently Pakhtunkhwa had the lowest incidence of poverty and the lowest rate of feudalism, yet the province is still struggling due to the lack of local control.

In Baluchistan we see an in migration of non-Baluchis which has caused much resentment, along with the development projects being controlled by Islamabad. The key to development lies in engaging the "New Baluchistan" comprised of the rising non-feudal elites, educated women, and enlightened religious leaders. Pakistan's future lies in Baluchistan.

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burqapoishx - do i have to fit into a category because i think a particular aspect of our society/culture/nation is bad? you have gone from labelling me an indian muhajir and now a socialist?

some pakistanis do think out of their ideological and ethnic boxes- i dont think its represented much here at GS but theres far more people like me out there.

i would hate to be thought of as representing views of my own ethnicity, region or political ideology.

by the way - if me being anti-feudal makes me a leftist then what would being pro-feudal make you a Mullah or a lota or both?

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Re: Case of Punjab...we refuse to be lesser citizens...

Punjab
The present Punjab was established by British
See
Bahawalpur ; never a part of Punjab before and after British rule
Multan ; Always a seperate province,state in the history before British rule.
Pothohar Area ; Almost different from Punjab
Why this Takht e Lahore don't free others

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sit down man, leave them in peace

bad mood :(
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If it talks like a duck, quacks like one, then obviously it is a socialist.

You should be proud of who you are. Many in Pakistan including Mullahs, espouse the socialist philosophy, and yet they run like heck, when called so.

Free market supporter!
Pro-business supporter!

Got it?

Religious nutz have been "mis-labelled" as right-wingers. In reality, their economic leanings are always towards the left.

Granted that free market has its problems, but in the long run it is a much better system.

Pakistan has great agricultural and industrial prospects. Instead of attacking them, and trying-in-vain to demolish them, we should make them stronger and more "industrialized".

Only large farms can produce access food in millions of tones. Small farms barely sustain the farmer and his family. That's why we should discourage the subsistence farming as it is not efficient and not eco-friendly.

The problem with Pak's city-born socialists is that they have no f'ing idea about rural life, and so they are always out there raving and ranting about something they do not understand.

Be positive man. be positive. You can remain socialist but let the free-marketers survive as well.

Live and let live brother.

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Re: Case of Punjab...we refuse to be lesser citizens...

lol Socialism works against the worlds natural order, why even consider it? lol @ some people.

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I am sorry but that's quite a useless and pointless post.

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Not a pointless comment, its stupid.

There was no province called NWFP before British. Sindh was half of what it is today. No province called Baluchistan either.

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Timepass-April 2014
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Thank you and see this map again.You see there is no Punjab. Lahore ,Kashmeer,Multan and Sind are there
and we people than and now
***Assi Qaidi Takht Lahore day
**and about Bahawalpur
**want to see the history .It is older than map reffered (accordind to vikipedia)
***History

Main article: Bahawalpur (princely state)
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Map of Bahawalpur Division before they were axed in 2000.

According to the Abbassi historians, the city was founded in 1748 by Nawab Muhammad Bahawal Khan Abbasi I, who ruled the area until the independent state joined Pakistan in 1947. The city which was once a princely state claimed to be one of the largest states of British India, more than 451 kilometres long, and was ruled by Nawab Sadiq Muhammad Khan Abbasi V Bahadur[6]](Bahawalpur - Wikipedia) who decided to join Pakistan at the time of independence
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Noor Mahal, one of the residences of the Nawabs (King’s) of Bahawalpur

The Royal House of Bahawalpur is said to be of Arabic origin and claim descent from Abbas, progenitor of the Abbasid Caliphs of Baghdad and Cairo. Sultan Ahmad II, son of Shah Muzammil of Egypt left his country and arrived in Sindh with a large following of Arabs in 1370. He married a daughter of Raja Rai Dhorang Sahta, receiving a third of the country as a dowry. Amir Fathu’llah Khan Abbasi, is the recognized ancestor of the dynasty. He conquered the Bhangar territory from Raja Dallu, of Alor and Bahmanabad, renaming it Qahir Bela. Amir Muhammad Chani Khan Abbasi entered the imperial service and gained appointment as a Panchhazari in 1583. At his death, the leadership of the tribe was contested between two branches of the family, the Daudputras and the Kalhoras. Amir Bahadur Khan Abbasi abandoned Tarai and settled near Bhakkar, founding the town of Shikarpur in 1690. Daud Khan, the first of his family to rule Bahawalpur, originated from Sind where he had opposed the Afghan Governor of that province and was forced to flee.citation needed] The Nawab entered into Treaty relations with the HEIC on 22 February 1833. The state acceded to the Dominion of Pakistan on 7 October 1947 and was merged into the province of West Pakistan on 14 October 1955.
Bahawalpur was formerly the capital of the state and now is the district and regional headquarters of the Bahawalpur District and Tehsil. It is an important marketing center for the surrounding areas and is located on the cross roads between Peshawar, Lahore, Quetta and Karachi.
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Darbar Mahal, a former palace of the Nawabs of Bahawalpur.

Bahawalpur is also an important agricultural training and educational center. Soapmaking and cotton ginning are important enterprises; cotton, silk, embroidery, carpets, and extraordinarily delicate pottery are produced. Factories producing cottonseed oil and cottonseed cake were built in the 1970s. It is an important marketing center for the surrounding areas and is located on the crossroads between Peshawar, Lahore, Quetta and Karachi. Bahawalpur is also known for its distinctly embroidered slippers and shoes and the filigree pottery which is made here.
Bahawalpur has only one railway bridge, the Adamwahan (Empress) Bridge, over the Sutlej River, and also has rail links with Peshawar, the capital of North-West Frontier Province and Karachi, the capital of Sindh (which is 899 km from Bahawalpur), making it an important rail centre. The surrounding area is mostly agricultural, which allows agricultural exports to many parts of the world. There is also a large market town for mangoes, dates, wheat, sugarcane, and cotton that bring in continuous demand all year round. In addition, it has soap making and cotton spinning factories, as well as enterprises producing silk and cotton textiles, carpets, and pottery. Bahwalpur has also sugar mill which provides some of the export market out of the country.

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Uch Sharif Tomb is an ancient city located near the city

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Sadiq Ghar Palace, is in urgent need of restoration, however, lack of government interest the palace has been closed to the public

The city of Bahawalpur is a famour tourist destination for not only locals but for its rich heritage provides an important hot spot for historians as well as archeologists. Bahawalpur is known for its cotton, silk, embroidery, carpets, and extraordinarily delicate pottery. The Punjab Small Industries Corporation (PSIC) has established a Craft Development Center for Cholistan area, outside Farid Gate, Bahawalpur from where handicrafts manufactured in Cholistan can be purchased. Some of the souvernirs produced in the city include, Flassi - It is a piece of 4-ft * 7-ftsize, made of camel hair and cotton yarn. It is used for wall hanging, as a decoration piece and a carpet. Gindi or Rilli - It is made of small pieces of many colors of cotton cloth and needlework. It can be used as wall hangings, bed covers, carpets and blankets. Changaries - Like big plaques, these are made of palm leaves in different bright colours with beautiful patterns and geometric designs. These are used for keeping the ‘chapattis’ and also as a wall decoration. Khalti - It is like a purse embroidered on top with multi coloured threads. Artwork - It is an attractive type of embroidery done on dupatta, kurta and chaddar etc.
The main shopping centers of Bahawalpur are Shahi Bazaar, Machli Bazaar, Farid Gate and the Mall. Commercial area in Satellite Town is a newly developed center that is gaining popularity rapidly. A few shopping malls including Bobby Plaza, Takbeer Shopping mall, Time, Prince cater for all kinds of needs. Shopping is a major attraction in the city, the city is bustling with traders and craftsmen selling all sorts of artwork for travellers and tourists.
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Derawar Fort is on the outskirts of the city in the Cholistan Desert

East of Bahawalpur is the Cholistan Desert which covers an area of about 15,000 km2 and extends into the Thar Desert of India. The region was once watered by the Hakra River, known as the Saravati in vedic times. At one time there were 400 forts in the area and archaeological finds around the Derawar Fort, the only place with a perennial waterhole, indicate that it was contemporaneous with the Indus Valley Civilisation. The average annual rainfall is only 12 cm, and the little cultivation there is, is made possible by underground wells, drawn up by the camels. The water is stored in troughs, built by the tribes, between sandhills and din waterholes called tobas. The people are racially similar to those in Rajasthan - tall, with sharp features. They live in large, round, mud and grass huts, usually built on the top of sandhills. On the whole, they are pastoral and nomadic. The main tribes are the Chachar, Mehr, Lar, Paryar, Channar, Chandani and Bohar. The forts here were built at 29 km intervals, which probably served as guard posts for the camel caravan routes. There were three rows of these forts. the first line of forts began from Phulra and ended in Lera, the second from Rukhanpur to Islamgarh, and the third from Bilcaner to Kapoo. They are all in ruins now, and you can see that they were built with double walls of gypsum blocks and mud. Some of them date back to 1000 BC, and were destroyed and rebuilt many times.

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Re: Case of Punjab...we refuse to be lesser citizens...

^ Can you see a Pakistan on the map? stop this stupid pre-British bickering.

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So what does that make you - A LOTA? You seem to accept power whose ever hand it is in. Why dont you actually take a trip to Pakistan.

Is nt the free market on its way out? have you ever heard of Fair Trade and not Free Trade? Free market has destroyed the world - all that greed has benefitted very few.

How much more power do we give to the feudal masters? Do you supportan egalitarian system or class and caste based systems which to be honest Pakistan has ran on for 62 years, and lets just say that the life of the Feudal serf has improved 0 since then.

Feudalism is a system the world is getting rid of yet you support it?

Why dont you actually visit Pakistan and then take a trip to the feudal belt and seewhat life is like for the oppressed lot.

Have you ever see another man bow to another?

Have you ever seen a man crawl away from another man backwards, so that he does not insult his master by turning his back to him as he walks off? that goes against nature.

You seem to be of the mind that just because theres money involved its ok for the system to run? Shall we just abandon millions of our people just because some INDIVIDUAL earns the money from it - it would be ok if he give them rights, a decent wage, dignity?

The problem is you try to make it look like that I have an issue with people who are landlords and rich - I have a problem with people who systematically abuse the rights of those in underpriviliged positions. I cant accept a system which deliberately keeps back millions of our people.

PS These feudal lords prefer to spend their hard-earned money on holidays in the west etc - they do very little for the Pak economy.