Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)

[underthedome]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@Faisal

^ There is. Only you chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit in your carefully crafted stereotype of muslim scholars. There is not a single muslim scholar worth his salt who agrees to Osama's definition of fighting this "war" and they speak out publicly against it at every opportunity. All muslim organizations in US, including CAIR, repeatedly say that Al-Qaida and terrorist misuse the name of Islam. Yet, you chose to ignore all that and instead focus solely on Osama's audio and video productions, and say "ahaa!"

underthedome,

You see the problem is, that the values you have grown up, presumably suggest that everyone is fair game for mocking and laughter, and this is a sign of sense of humor and enlightenment and "not a big deal" etc. Unfortunately for you, one billion muslims do not share that view. You will all do this poor world of ours a big favor, if you accept and comply with these cultural differences. Should be part of a mandatory cultural sensitivity training. Or put simply, education.

Bullsh1t, where are the riots, the outrage against Osama on the street? Fact is Bin Laden is a very popular fellow in Pakistan and he uses Islam's name to justify killing innocents.

Faisal I was grown up with a right to freedom of speech, to fight for that right even if you don't agree with the message. The flag is burned all the time, where is the outrage? Sorry, Muslim beliefs will not be forced onto me and anyone who wants to deface him has the god given right to do so. It doesn't matter if you or I agree.

[Lajawab]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@underthedome

Bullsh1t, where are the riots, the outrage against Osama on the street? Fact is Bin Laden is a very popular fellow in Pakistan and he uses Islam's name to justify killing innocents.

Faisal I was grown up with a right to freedom of speech, to fight for that right even if you don't agree with the message. The flag is burned all the time, where is the outrage? Sorry, Muslim beliefs will not be forced onto me and anyone who wants to deface him has the god given right to do so. It doesn't matter if you or I agree.

Then the other party has the god given right to react...

[underthedome]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

Yes they do but they don't have the right to hurt or kill anyone.

[Lajawab]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@underthedome

Yes they do but they don't have the right to hurt or kill anyone.

Hurt can only happen physically? How about the hurt 1.2 billion Muslims felt from these cartoons? That don't stand for anything?

If that is the case, then why do the American courts have libel suits, and defamation of character or hate speech clauses...Those are all god given rights, right? No one is physically getting hurt...

Sheikh Yassin was a paraplegic, a person who couldn't shoo a fly...He never moved a muscle...What happened to his freedom of expression? Blown up at the end of a hellfire missile?

The idea behind freedom of expression is just that...Expression...Not freedom to ridicule...And once when this 'expression' enters into the domain of religion, it ceases to be expression anymore...It is hate...

And hate if it enters Islam, should be opposed hook or crook...

[underthedome]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

You very much so have the right ridicule, be it against a religion or a politcal movement, that doesn't mean you can't protest against those who are ridiculing as that is your right as well.

[ahmadjee]

Re: I want to register my protest

Because they were being martyred for their belief in Allah ...They were being killed because they were Muslims

And you must also believe that American Govt. don't like Chavez because he is a Catholic and would assassinate Kim because he doesn't believe in God?

Don't drag Islam into it. If the middle east didn't have oil, they would be today's Somalia, where the rival sects and ethnicity would kill each other because they can.

[cat-woman]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@underthedome

1. Ignore it, they’re just trying to get a reaction anyway

2. Lodge complaint with Newspaper

3. Write editorial to newspaper explaining what they had done and why it is so offensive to Muslims.

4. Contact Newspaper advertisers lodge complaint with them.

5. Boycott those who advertise in the Newspaper.

Advisable plan to use when future incidents occur as well. One should not expect an apology from the government which does not run or control what is in the newspaper

I agree, theoretically speaking.

[Faisal]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@underthedome

Bullsh1t, where are the riots, the outrage against Osama on the street? Fact is Bin Laden is a very popular fellow in Pakistan and he uses Islam’s name to justify killing innocents.

Riots on the street against Osama? Dude, thats your problem. You wanna riot against Osama on the streets of New York? Go right ahead. No one’s stopping you. Osama can use anyone’s name for his cause. You want to redicule Osama? Go right ahead. Muslim clerics and representative organizations have already publicly made their views known again and again. If you want riots on the streets against Osama, try to get out yourself. Others are not your proxy.

@underthedome

Faisal I was grown up with a right to freedom of speech, to fight for that right even if you don’t agree with the message. The flag is burned all the time, where is the outrage? Sorry, Muslim beliefs will not be forced onto me and anyone who wants to deface him has the god given right to do so. It doesn’t matter if you or I agree.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You are for freedom of speech and roses and flowers. Good for you. Excellent. However, if that freedom of speech tramples someone else’s religious figures and they riot against you, and burn down your embassy then don’t complain either. You want to ignore the sentiments of 1 billion people, because you feel you have a god-given right to say anything you want, then try that as well. This is a very interconnected world. Try living in isolation with no care for the feelings of others. I am sure you can try that too.

[Code_Red]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@underthedome

You very much so have the right ridicule, be it against a religion or a politcal movement, that doesn't mean you can't protest against those who are ridiculing as that is your right as well.

Interesting !

Western countries have long history of ridiculing sacred figures most popular of them being the prophet jesus (pbuh). It has direct correlation with lack of sensitivity, manners and etiquettes.

For instance, british and american society were famous for manners and etiquettes roughly a century ago.... but to accomodate freedom you need to throw manners out of the window

Just as loss of cloths is freedom at one hand but it is lack of manners on other hand, similarly loss of respect for elders/parents, freedom to choose un-natural life style etc.

But eastern societies are far from this stage of evolotion/decy. Thus clash of cultures is inevitable.

Like this cartoon controversey, Most of the time the disrespect and ridicule is intentional. like in past years

• inhumane treatment of prisioner at abu gharib, imposing un-natural acts on them -desecration of holy quaran

both intentional and deeply offensive to recipient's culture and religion

[KARAKUSH]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@Code_Red

Interesting !

Western countries have long history of ridiculing sacred figures most popular of them being the prophet jesus (pbuh). It has direct correlation with lack of sensitivity, manners and etiquettes.

For instance, british and american society were famous for manners and etiquettes roughly a century ago.... but to accomodate freedom you need to throw manners out of the window

Just as loss of cloths is freedom at one hand but it is lack of manners on other hand, similarly loss of respect for elders/parents, freedom to choose un-natural life style etc.

right u r. freedom of speech n expression ,although a justified concept, is simply used to white wash the bad manners.

[humhaipakistani]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

thread was closed so i'm continuing here:

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humhaipakistani:
your argument and the argument of those of your ilk is built on fallacies. The buildings burnt down is from yesterday or the day before.

So lets start from the beginning:

September cartoons published - local protest, no demos. Diplomats ignored.
Countries excercise democratic right and boycott goods to get their message across. Message still doesn't get through.
european papers get wind of this and abusing the freedom of expression slogan -when it had zilch to do with freedom of expression and everything to do with good/bad judgement - reproduce cartoons.
Again muslim noses are rubbed in it.

Now here is where it gets interesting from my point of view, the false arguments build up:
- freedom of expression, why get offended?
- muslims don't understand western values
- Hold on, why are they protesting, they have anti-jewish cartoons and stuff, they have undemocratic countries, link 911, link afghanistan, link iraq...
- thats right, they wan't to force islam on us (boo!) and they burn buildings so no we can't listen to their argument

and ad infitum, ad nauseam.

The simple fact is you believe that by virtue of being Muslims, we're on the wrong side. That is all.

All we asked for was an unreserved apology.
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underthedome:
An apology from who?
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from those who printed the cartoons out of malice, out of pure predjudice and religious and racial hatred. From those who reproduced them. From the government - for acting as if the feeling of a billion muslims was an insignificant matter in the first place. And above all from the champions of some imagined insult to freedom of expression, whose paranoia of islam clearly induces clinical psychosis.

That would be a little step towards the right direction.

[humhaipakistani]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

oh and since we're all getting with the proper response and all that, publishing a brief profile and message of Muhammad (pbuh) on the front page would be good complement to the ** unreserved** apology.

[humhaipakistani]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@underthedome

Really Faisal?
Cartoons cannot kill anyone,

No? How about I help refresh your memory. Maybe that will end the confusion in your head.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/ds9-43a.jpg

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/sturmer/dsrm34.jpg

[Dada_Abbaa]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@underthedome

1. Ignore it, they're just trying to get a reaction anyway

1. Lodge complaint with Newspaper

2. Write editorial to newspaper explaining what they had done and why it is so offensive to Muslims.

3. Contact Newspaper advertisers lodge complaint with them.

4. Boycott those who advertise in the Newspaper.

Advisable plan to use when future incidents occur as well. One should not expect an apology from the government which does not run or control what is in the newspaper

Wow, some philosopher are now teaching Muslim nation how to react such low level and shameful act, done by his religious mates, but he is not interested in telling his mates what they have done, and how to make an apology 1.4 billion Muslims.

Yeah right, Muslims should wear choorian, sit in homes, and wait till a carton of their own mother and father is published, … what a shame…
Thank for the Golden tips, but sorry we have our ways to deal this type of acts. You please focus on your religion and your problems, and let Us Muslims handle it, we have a set procedure to deal with it.

And tell Mr. Bush these golden advices, and make him stop killings innocent Muslims all over the world! …

BS thread, now we have to learn from Jews ...yukh

[Guy1]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@Seminole

I am not mixing fruit here, Faisal. You are advocating a violent response, just like 9/11, OBL, etc was a violent response.

It doesn’t matter what I want. I am stating how this response WILL be intepreted by the non-Muslim masses.

If you think burning, killing and threatening have no other consequences than ‘getting a point across’ then you are naive.

1 of all,where r the f=u=c=king proofs tht osama did 9/11?? how many bee size brain people r there who think osama was behind such attacks..stop acting like a jerk…u people created osama and osama is ur agent..nothing more but an agent…now stop mentioning 9/11 beac it is no more valid
muslims should burn all the embassies of denmark and banned all the products of denmark

[Guy1]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@Dada Abbaa

Wow, some philosopher are now teaching Muslim nation how to react such low level and shameful act, done by his religious mates, but he is not interested in telling his mates what they have done, and how to make an apology 1.4 billion Muslims.

Yeah right, Muslims should wear choorian, sit in homes, and wait till a carton of their own mother and father is published, … what a shame…
Thank for the Golden tips, but sorry we have our ways to deal this type of acts. You please focus on your religion and your problems, and let Us Muslims handle it, we have a set procedure to deal with it.

And tell Mr. Bush these golden advices, and make him stop killings innocent Muslims all over the world! …

BS thread, now we have to learn from Jews …yukh

daba jee,yehi to masla hai…these people have no religion problem beac they have no religion..christiantyy is a big time failure to give them mental and spiritual satisfaction and majority of christians who converted,say tht they become muslims beac islam gives satisfaction to their hearts…they r actually jealous losers…

and infact,all such things r preplanned…i m waiting for the day when they will kill the guy who made cartoon?..and i hope CIA has the best opportunity to give bad name to muslim..

[Dada_Abbaa]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

guy1,
I know its all planned, just like they made 911 plan, within 1 hour they had list of 18 Muslims, who don’t even know how to take off and land, just learnt basic on a Cessna plane, and did the best flying maneuver in the history ever… wow

Well it was all set by Jews, and was controlled through remote control and blamed on Muslims to have a reason to attack on Afghanistan and Iraq… we know it yar,

Just like that this person is igniting and fueling the issue by opening daily threads, and moronically open a thread in feedback against these type of threads, What a mentally disturbed personality!

Did they ever find any proof about 911?

[Guy1]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

yes....they have the biggest proof against osama as he striked WTC with the rickshaw and the rickshaw was drove by a w-11 driver..(especially hired from karachi WAZIRSTAN-NEW KARACHI)

well yes...u r right..all such things r planned.....even if u look the muslims leaders,all of them r american guranteed agents......all these bull**** roshan khaiyali r the invention of pentagon officially

[Guy1]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

yes....they have the biggest proof against osama as he striked WTC with the rickshaw and the rickshaw was drove by a w-11 driver..(especially hired from karachi WAZIRSTAN-NEW KARACHI)

well yes...u r right..all such things r planned.....even if u look the muslims leaders,all of them r american guranteed agents......all these bull**** roshan khaiyali r the invention of pentagon officially

[system]

Re: Proper response to cartoon

@Lajawab

Just a question Faisal bhai jaan...

What has Islam got to do with the war of Shaikh Osama against the USA? It's just one man and those who agree with him to stand up to the atrocities committed by the USA around the world...

It's like Che Guevara or Rosa Parks or the French resistance against the Germans...Shaikh Osama considers USA a threat to the world and has stood firm against it...(If he ever did harbour such ideas)...

So, what has one man standing up for the rights of others against a prodigious killing machine, got to do with Islam?

1.5 million people died in Iraq, we kept sleeping, in Palestine, Kosova, Bosnia, Chechnya...When rebels stand up to fight them with whatever little weapons they have, they are called Islamic extremists...

Why should any Muslim be apologetic for the actions of any revolutionary? Why does Islam have to be protected?

Heck...Don't mix religion with one man's stand against global oppression...

Your Sheikh Osama is a moron who hides behind religion for his terrorist actions. Unlike the great ppl you refer to, Sh Osama was payrolled and cultivated by the same ppl Sheikhu today has issues with. Che chose to die as a soldier with his people, unlike your sheikhu who chooses to hide behind women and children. Rosa Parks was one woman, an entity your sheikhu wud like to keep caged behind closed doors. Standing up againt the Amerikee oppression? What BS r u talking about, its all about power, control and hegemony of ideas.

When those loony bin Taliban blew up the Buddha statutes in Baimyan province, what did your Sheikhu say or do? He rewarded the taliban for their courageous act. When u do not have respect for other religious sensibilities, then why expect others to reciprocate? If force is the answer, then why complain if the Amerikee gringo shoves his hand up your [EMAIL="a@ss"]@ss in Iraq or Afghanistan? Fact is, Muslims want to keep their cake and eat it also.