Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
telenor is norwegian!
ps, biggest immigrant community in norway are pakistanese, you want to make unemployment higher for them:D so keep on boycotting norwegian products…
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haan i know its norweigan, but didnt they publish the cartoons too :-s
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still cant read ur journal :whistlestoself:
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hicsie i had added you to the wrong list :-/
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oknow go write somthing :halo: preferably nice things about ur little sister. aka moi 
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yeah right, im not writing nice things about any little sister aka you who puts a “busy” sign on msn and doesnt respond to messages
ps: where’d your journal go?
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Sorry to interrupt this party.
First, if Muslims feel good about pounding a little country of 5 Million people, that is pretty pathetic.
Two, the vast majority of Danes did nothing wrong. Their Govenment did nothing wrong. Their set of values are the same values that have been in place for hundreds of years. A newspaper published something offensive to you.
Three, let's all remember to bring this up in the context of Palestine. Somehow collective punishment seems pretty good right now, but if the Palestinians are punished for *killing innocent people you guys *will have a hernia.
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Im waiting for a responce to my “jee” 
, I had mine deleted. Now tell everyone how lovely I am shabash.
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
Afghanistan and Iraq are considerably more miniscule in size nd strength in comparison to America than the EU backed Denmark is compared to a very fragmented Muslim world.
It is the government Muslims have issues with, and the fact that the Danish public backs the steps the government has taken so far. Newspapers in france published the cartoons too, but because the French govt reacted better to it, they havent been feeling the blowback.
So do you believe the collective punishment of the Palestinians is wrong? I’ve never heard you say that, I could be wrong. Links?
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
First, if Muslims feel good about pounding a little country of 5 Million people, that is pretty pathetic.
Two, the vast majority of Danes did nothing wrong. Their Govenment did nothing wrong. Their set of values are the same values that have been in place for hundreds of years. A newspaper published something offensive to you.
Three, let's all remember to bring this up in the context of Palestine. Somehow collective punishment seems pretty good right now, but if the Palestinians are punished for *killing innocent people you guys *will have a hernia.
Ohioguy Bhai,
This is a major reason I do not hesitate to call my brothers in Islam Hypocrates (sp)
When any suicide Bombing takes place, its that individual and not the community, when 9/11 happened it was Osama and not the community.
But now the Muslims are completely united in punishing a whole nation, which ironically has the Highest number of Pakistani/Muslim Immigrants.
To Make myself crystal clear, I am not condemning the Danish Bycott, in fact I was one of the first one here to suggest it, my opposition is more towards the Killings and the Carnage and the Anarchy and also the arson.
When will we learn:(
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
This is a major reason I do not hesitate to call my brothers in Islam Hypocrates (sp)
When any suicide Bombing takes place, its that individual and not the community, when 9/11 happened it was Osama and not the community*.*
But now the Muslims are completely united in punishing a whole nation, which ironically has the Highest number of Pakistani/Muslim Immigrants.
To Make myself crystal clear, I am not condemning the Danish Bycott, in fact I was one of the first one here to suggest it, my opposition is more towards the Killings and the Carnage and the Anarchy and also the arson.
When will we learn:(
Uncle Tom,
You never miss an opportunity to worm into the favors of the likes of your previous colonial masters. For that I give you kudos. No one here condones the anarchy and violence that followed in wake of the cartoon fiasco. You speak of hypocrisy like it is a trademark of the muslim world only. You blame the muslims of hypocrisy for punshing the entire of Denmark for crime of one individual.
Here is a partial list of similar hypocritcal actions:
1) UN sanctions against Iraq that killed 400,000 iraqi babies for the action of one man -- Saddam. I guess the crime of the iraqi people was that they didn't topple him.
2) Gulf War I and II for the action of one man; more than 100,000 people dead.
3) UN sanctions against Libya for action of one despotic ruler -- Gaddafi.
4) Regular bombing of palestinian cities with Apaches and F-14s to collectively punish the Palestinians for the actions of a few Hamas "terrorists."
5) Isolation and sanctions against North Korea for the ation of dictator - Kim Jong-il
and to be fair,
6) Boycotting of arla and danish businesses for the action of one cartoonist.
Seems like the muslim world -- whatever that is-- is playing by the rules of international politics.
Also, please try not to contradict yourself inthe future--it makes us confused. You condemn punishing the entire state of Denmark, but in the last paragraph you endorse boycotting their products. Isn't that punishing the whole nation for the actions of one dude? Who is the biggest hypocrite? Take your pick.
A) Muslims
B) Non-muslims
C) You.
I will go with C.
Re: Nigeria protesters kill 15 people over Muhammad cartoons
I was discussing this with a friend and he rightly said, such people have little or no Islamic knowledge or education. Hence, the reason they resort to such non-sense that has no basis in Islam.
They achieve nothing, but discord and put all Muslims to shame.
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sadiyah, i agree. what do you suppose can be more effective than merely saying that this is against true Islamic teachings. everyone says that, in the case of bombings on shias, burning of churches in respone to a cartoon, and now this, but nothing more is done. clearly we are not bad at mobilizing the masses when we wish to be, or even propagandizing an idea from the pulpits. for example the moulvis are doing a terrific job of it right now in the case of the danes. do you not suppose that it is a clear case of not actually wanting to do anything about it, especially from the corner of the religious groups?
it isnt as if the other listed crimes are more remote or less reprehensible.
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Wow talk about being judgemental and arrogant. I wish to congragulate you all on your ability to fall victim to the western mode of thinking. Well done.
Re: Nigeria protesters kill 15 people over Muhammad cartoons
ravage, many on the pulpit are far from Islamically educated. What could you possibly expect from them?
I liked the idea of CAIR-CAN - a Canadian Muslim organization. They timely published material on their website, as well as have DVDs to be given out free of cost to the public, so as to educate people on who Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was and what's his importance in Islam.
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Grumpy: so what would be the non judgemental, humble and eastern way of thinking about it?
Sadiyah: i would expect some direction from those who are Islamically educated. Can you tell me a prominent Muslim voice in the Muslim world (not CAIR) who has spoken out against such stuff? I know a lot of subcontinental pulpits are inspired by arab ones, and atleast some of those do have a heavy investment in Islamic education. Is there any reaction from such centers?
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
^ Good response to Ohioguy, dope.
The matter wouldn't have escalated if the Danish government (that represents the Danish people) had timely apologized on behalf of the newspaper. They didn't. They took a principled stand, that the government can not take responsibility for the actions of a private newspaper and thus should not apologize on behalf of it. Alright. The newspaper's own apology was neither timely, nor was appropriate.
The way muslims react had several different directions
1. Peaceful protests in Copenhagen (Didn't get jacksh!t accomplished)
2. Request meeting with Danish Prime Minister to talk about it (he refused to even meet)
3. Mass violent protests in different muslim countries. Burning down public properties, churches etc. Dozens of muslims killed in police firing.
4. Boycott of Danish/European products to make a freedom-of-expression choice against them.
Given a choice between 3 and 4, I'll gladly take 4. Its non-violent, and it really makes a point that hurts where it matters: the pocketbook.
As I said before, its not that I don't see the argument from the Danish/European side. These people have fought long and hard to get their freedoms of speech and expression, which includes the right to mock everything sacred to them. This has its history in the excesses of the church, and the violent reaction to it. However, I don't agree with insulting other faiths and religions, and I don't think this is a matter of freedom. Its crass and unacceptable. And thus that there will be consequences to it is understandable. Its just a matter of deciding which set of consequences is appropriate.
Some people in the middle east, asia and africa have decided that taking to the streets, pelting stones and setting Danish consulates on fire is the appropriate answer. Some others think burning down of churches is the answer. Yet another renames Danish Pastries into "Flowers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)" (taking a leaf out of US french/liberty fries, I am sure). And some others decided to boycott goods from that country. To each his own. The last one is the least violent and perhaps the most effective.
Next time a European newspaper editor is asked to publish cartoons mocking the fundamental religious figures/beliefs of hindus/muslims/jews/christians, hopefully he or she will have a fulller knowledge of possible consequences for his country and his nation. Hopefully next time they will make the right choice.
Re: Nigeria protesters kill 15 people over Muhammad cartoons
ravage, good question. I honestly don't know. However, I know the knowledgeable aren't sitting quitely and most likely spreading the word. However, with the level of jahalat we have present these days, people don't wish to listen and rather wish to resort to acts that are violent.
I was only following CAIR-CAN in the news on tv. I did visit their website after and did find the material they talked about. From what I could gather, they were most certainly against the violent protests and are of the opinion that instead of going haywire, it's best to educate the masses and hence the reason they came out with such material.
I believe there was an influentional Muslim man on TV that talked some sense. Then there was an amazing speaker on the radio last week who said some great stuff. Sorry, the website for the guy who spoke on the radio isn't working, else I would've shared his name.
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The first thing you lot can do is not question their level of education on the religion. After all that is a baseless assumption on your part.
Second you can take the on the ground realities to affect. Nigeria has a history of violent protests. 30 years of it. This is normal. They are violent on any religious matter be they christian or muslim.
Violent protests are not unique to muslims - no matter what the media wish to protray. Every time there is a WTO protest it turns violent. Seattle, Cancun, Hong Kong you name it. You have regular anti-globalization protests in Europe which turn violent. You have neo-nazi parties which hold rallies which turn violent. So take a broader view of the world and just accept what the media wishes to sell to you.
Do you want more?
Re: Nigeria protesters kill 15 people over Muhammad cartoons
Sadiyah If you ever come across prominent people of Influence in the Muslim world who do condmen this unequivocally, then i’d be very interested in knowing. just so i can propagate this further. Information of that nature we have a responsibility to propagate, for sure.
Your second point is basis enough. The mere fact that the “ground reality” includes a history of violent protest and a “normalcy” of 15 Christians killed over a cartoon printed in frikkin DENMARK shows that their level of education especially about the religion is NOT very high.
Tell me when the last anti globalization rallly had 18 people murdered, hundreds of cars and vehicles torched over a period of days and weeks, a whole country’s educational institutions closed for a week, torching of churches.
sources from any sort of media will do.