Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
you guys from outside europe will never understand:rolleyes:
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it was the purpose of those right wing newspapers to make violent reaction against their own country…so that they can say:“look those stupid muslims hate us, let’s kick them all out of here!”
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
EXACTLY, they already have this stereo type image of muslims; and what they HOPED for, we delievered that successfuly.
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
This the reaction of China to cartoon controversy.;;
By Jim Yardley The New York Times
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2006
LINXIA, China Religion is often hidden in China, so the unabashed public display of Islam here in the city known as Little Mecca is particularly striking. Men have beards and wear white caps. Women wear head scarves. Minarets poke up from large mosques. A bookstore sells Korans and religious study guides in Arabic.
These are reminders that with almost 21 million followers of Islam, China has roughly as many Muslims as Europe or even Iraq. But the openness of religion in this isolated region along the ancient Silk Road does not mean that China’s Muslims are active participants in the protests and seminal debates roiling the larger Islamic world. In that world, they are almost invisible.
A case in point is the outrage and violence over the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that rippled through Islamic countries. Here in Linxia, which has more than 80 mosques, news of the cartoons spread quickly. The local religious affairs bureau also moved quickly. Local Muslims say officials visited imams and cautioned them against inciting followers.
The same happened in 2003, when a few protests broke out over the American invasion of Iraq. The China Islamic Association, the quasi-governmental agency that regulates Islam, quickly intervened and shut down the protest.
Not that most Chinese Muslims need any warning. With 1.3 billion people, China is so huge and Muslims constitute such a tiny minority that most Muslims intuitively learn to keep quiet.
“We can talk about these things among ourselves,” said a shopper at a Muslim bookstore. “But China has a law. We are not allowed to speak out about these things that are upsetting the Muslim world.”
The tight government regulation of religion, as well as restrictions on free speech, separates Muslims in mainland China from their peers in Hong Kong, where citizens enjoy far greater civil liberties. On Friday, Hong Kong Muslims held a protest against the cartoons.
Human rights groups have long criticized the lack of religious freedom in China, pointing to harsh treatment of underground Christians, Tibetan Buddhists and Uighurs, the Muslim ethnic group in the western region of Xinjiang. Yet other Chinese Muslim groups that might be expected to support the Uighurs have rarely done so.
Dru Gladney, a leading scholar on China’s Muslims, said the country’s 10 Muslim ethnicities usually find common cause only when they feel an issue denigrates Islam, as was the case with the cartoons. Gladney said the largest group, the Hui, regard some Uighurs as unpatriotic separatists who give other Chinese Muslims a bad name.
The Hui, he said, have blended fairly well into society by placing pragmatism over religious zeal and adopting the low profile of an immigrant group living in a foreign land - despite their presence in China for more than 1,300 years.
“They don’t tend to get too involved in international Islamic conflict,” said Gladney, a professor of Asian studies at the University of Hawaii. “They don’t want to be branded as radical Muslims.”
Yet Chinese Muslims should not be considered completely housebroken by authoritarian rule. Since the seventh century, when Islam began arriving in China along trading routes, there have been periodic Muslim revolts. Under the Communist Party, Muslim rage, if mostly contained on global issues, has erupted over localized affronts.
Large protests broke out in 1989, when Muslims took to the streets to denounce a book describing minarets as phallic symbols and comparing pilgrimages to Mecca to orgies. The government, which allowed the protests, quickly banned the book and even held a book burning.
A few years ago, thousands of Muslims protested in various cities after a pig’s head was nailed to the door of a Henan Province mosque. And last year, riots erupted after Hui from all over central China rushed to the aid of a Muslim involved in a traffic dispute.
At the Mayanzhuang Islamic school in Linxia, Ma Huiyun, 40, the director of studies, said the cartoons infuriated him and other local Muslims.
“But we have to cooperate with the government,” he said. “They asked us to be calm. They said they would speak on our behalf.”
Ma said Chinese Muslims want closer ties to the Islamic heartland in the Middle East. His school now has two computers to obtain news from the Arab world. This year, Ma made his first pilgrimage to Mecca, one of roughly 10,000 Chinese Muslims estimated to have taken part in the hajj. The government has begun hiring Chinese Muslims to work in its Mideast embassies and state-owned companies that do business in the region.
But many Muslims here cite obstacles to developing ties with Muslims in other countries, and as a result, the Chinese remain largely isolated.
“There is really not a lot of understanding about us in the outside world,” Ma said.
Linxia, once known as Hezhou, has been a center of Islam for centuries and now enjoys a climate of religious tolerance. But Muslims elsewhere in China face more restrictions. In Xinjiang, for example, Muslim schools are tightly monitored and are allowed only limited numbers of students.
Many of the same societal problems that fueled protests by Islamic immigrants in Europe - discrimination, lower education levels, higher unemployment, a sense of cultural separation from the dominant majority - can be found in China, too.
China’s Muslim population is stable, but among upwardly mobile Chinese, Islam is not as popular as Buddhism or Christianity. The pressure to assimilate, too, has watered down Islam in many places; in cities, some people who call themselves Muslims abstain from eating pork but rarely attend mosque.
Not so in Linxia. At the Muslim schools in the city, most of the students are young boys from poor families who may one day became imams. It will be their job to navigate the delicate task of being Muslim in China.
“Obviously, we’re different from Muslims in other parts of the world,” said Ma Ruxiong, a teacher at the Nanguan Mosque, the city’s oldest. “We just can’t go into the streets and protest. You have to have permission from the government. But there are other things we can do. We pray to Allah to protect all Muslims in the world.”
LINXIA, China Religion is often hidden in China, so the unabashed public display of Islam here in the city known as Little Mecca is particularly striking. Men have beards and wear white caps. Women wear head scarves. Minarets poke up from large mosques. A bookstore sells Korans and religious study guides in Arabic.
These are reminders that with almost 21 million followers of Islam, China has roughly as many Muslims as Europe or even Iraq. But the openness of religion in this isolated region along the ancient Silk Road does not mean that China’s Muslims are active participants in the protests and seminal debates roiling the larger Islamic world. In that world, they are almost invisible.
A case in point is the outrage and violence over the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that rippled through Islamic countries. Here in Linxia, which has more than 80 mosques, news of the cartoons spread quickly. The local religious affairs bureau also moved quickly. Local Muslims say officials visited imams and cautioned them against inciting followers.
The same happened in 2003, when a few protests broke out over the American invasion of Iraq. The China Islamic Association, the quasi-governmental agency that regulates Islam, quickly intervened and shut down the protest.
Not that most Chinese Muslims need any warning. With 1.3 billion people, China is so huge and Muslims constitute such a tiny minority that most Muslims intuitively learn to keep quiet.
“We can talk about these things among ourselves,” said a shopper at a Muslim bookstore. “But China has a law. We are not allowed to speak out about these things that are upsetting the Muslim world.”
The tight government regulation of religion, as well as restrictions on free speech, separates Muslims in mainland China from their peers in Hong Kong, where citizens enjoy far greater civil liberties. On Friday, Hong Kong Muslims held a protest against the cartoons.
Human rights groups have long criticized the lack of religious freedom in China, pointing to harsh treatment of underground Christians, Tibetan Buddhists and Uighurs, the Muslim ethnic group in the western region of Xinjiang. Yet other Chinese Muslim groups that might be expected to support the Uighurs have rarely done so.
Dru Gladney, a leading scholar on China’s Muslims, said the country’s 10 Muslim ethnicities usually find common cause only when they feel an issue denigrates Islam, as was the case with the cartoons. Gladney said the largest group, the Hui, regard some Uighurs as unpatriotic separatists who give other Chinese Muslims a bad name.
The Hui, he said, have blended fairly well into society by placing pragmatism over religious zeal and adopting the low profile of an immigrant group living in a foreign land - despite their presence in China for more than 1,300 years.
“They don’t tend to get too involved in international Islamic conflict,” said Gladney, a professor of Asian studies at the University of Hawaii. “They don’t want to be branded as radical Muslims.”
Yet Chinese Muslims should not be considered completely housebroken by authoritarian rule. Since the seventh century, when Islam began arriving in China along trading routes, there have been periodic Muslim revolts. Under the Communist Party, Muslim rage, if mostly contained on global issues, has erupted over localized affronts.
Large protests broke out in 1989, when Muslims took to the streets to denounce a book describing minarets as phallic symbols and comparing pilgrimages to Mecca to orgies. The government, which allowed the protests, quickly banned the book and even held a book burning.
A few years ago, thousands of Muslims protested in various cities after a pig’s head was nailed to the door of a Henan Province mosque. And last year, riots erupted after Hui from all over central China rushed to the aid of a Muslim involved in a traffic dispute.
At the Mayanzhuang Islamic school in Linxia, Ma Huiyun, 40, the director of studies, said the cartoons infuriated him and other local Muslims.
“But we have to cooperate with the government,” he said. “They asked us to be calm. They said they would speak on our behalf.”
Ma said Chinese Muslims want closer ties to the Islamic heartland in the Middle East. His school now has two computers to obtain news from the Arab world. This year, Ma made his first pilgrimage to Mecca, one of roughly 10,000 Chinese Muslims estimated to have taken part in the hajj. The government has begun hiring Chinese Muslims to work in its Mideast embassies and state-owned companies that do business in the region.
But many Muslims here cite obstacles to developing ties with Muslims in other countries, and as a result, the Chinese remain largely isolated.
“There is really not a lot of understanding about us in the outside world,” Ma said.
Linxia, once known as Hezhou, has been a center of Islam for centuries and now enjoys a climate of religious tolerance. But Muslims elsewhere in China face more restrictions. In Xinjiang, for example, Muslim schools are tightly monitored and are allowed only limited numbers of students.
Many of the same societal problems that fueled protests by Islamic immigrants in Europe - discrimination, lower education levels, higher unemployment, a sense of cultural separation from the dominant majority - can be found in China, too.
China’s Muslim population is stable, but among upwardly mobile Chinese, Islam is not as popular as Buddhism or Christianity. The pressure to assimilate, too, has watered down Islam in many places; in cities, some people who call themselves Muslims abstain from eating pork but rarely attend mosque.
Not so in Linxia. At the Muslim schools in the city, most of the students are young boys from poor families who may one day became imams. It will be their job to navigate the delicate task of being Muslim in China.
“Obviously, we’re different from Muslims in other parts of the world,” said Ma Ruxiong, a teacher at the Nanguan Mosque, the city’s oldest. “We just can’t go into the streets and protest. You have to have permission from the government. But there are other things we can do. We pray to Allah to protect all Muslims in the world.”
LINXIA, China Religion is often hidden in China, so the unabashed public display of Islam here in the city known as Little Mecca is particularly striking. Men have beards and wear white caps. Women wear head scarves. Minarets poke up from large mosques. A bookstore sells Korans and religious study guides in Arabic.
These are reminders that with almost 21 million followers of Islam, China has roughly as many Muslims as Europe or even Iraq. But the openness of religion in this isolated region along the ancient Silk Road does not mean that China’s Muslims are active participants in the protests and seminal debates roiling the larger Islamic world. In that world, they are almost invisible.
A case in point is the outrage and violence over the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that rippled through Islamic countries. Here in Linxia, which has more than 80 mosques, news of the cartoons spread quickly. The local religious affairs bureau also moved quickly. Local Muslims say officials visited imams and cautioned them against inciting followers.
The same happened in 2003, when a few protests broke out over the American invasion of Iraq. The China Islamic Association, the quasi-governmental agency that regulates Islam, quickly intervened and shut down the protest.
Not that most Chinese Muslims need any warning. With 1.3 billion people, China is so huge and Muslims constitute such a tiny minority that most Muslims intuitively learn to keep quiet.
“We can talk about these things among ourselves,” said a shopper at a Muslim bookstore. “But China has a law. We are not allowed to speak out about these things that are upsetting the Muslim world.”
The tight government regulation of religion, as well as restrictions on free speech, separates Muslims in mainland China from their peers in Hong Kong, where citizens enjoy far greater civil liberties. On Friday, Hong Kong Muslims held a protest against the cartoons.
Human rights groups have long criticized the lack of religious freedom in China, pointing to harsh treatment of underground Christians, Tibetan Buddhists and Uighurs, the Muslim ethnic group in the western region of Xinjiang. Yet other Chinese Muslim groups that might be expected to support the Uighurs have rarely done so.
Dru Gladney, a leading scholar on China’s Muslims, said the country’s 10 Muslim ethnicities usually find common cause only when they feel an issue denigrates Islam, as was the case with the cartoons. Gladney said the largest group, the Hui, regard some Uighurs as unpatriotic separatists who give other Chinese Muslims a bad name.
The Hui, he said, have blended fairly well into society by placing pragmatism over religious zeal and adopting the low profile of an immigrant group living in a foreign land - despite their presence in China for more than 1,300 years.
“They don’t tend to get too involved in international Islamic conflict,” said Gladney, a professor of Asian studies at the University of Hawaii. “They don’t want to be branded as radical Muslims.”
Yet Chinese Muslims should not be considered completely housebroken by authoritarian rule. Since the seventh century, when Islam began arriving in China along trading routes, there have been periodic Muslim revolts. Under the Communist Party, Muslim rage, if mostly contained on global issues, has erupted over localized affronts.
Large protests broke out in 1989, when Muslims took to the streets to denounce a book describing minarets as phallic symbols and comparing pilgrimages to Mecca to orgies. The government, which allowed the protests, quickly banned the book and even held a book burning.
A few years ago, thousands of Muslims protested in various cities after a pig’s head was nailed to the door of a Henan Province mosque. And last year, riots erupted after Hui from all over central China rushed to the aid of a Muslim involved in a traffic dispute.
At the Mayanzhuang Islamic school in Linxia, Ma Huiyun, 40, the director of studies, said the cartoons infuriated him and other local Muslims.
“But we have to cooperate with the government,” he said. “They asked us to be calm. They said they would speak on our behalf.”
Ma said Chinese Muslims want closer ties to the Islamic heartland in the Middle East. His school now has two computers to obtain news from the Arab world. This year, Ma made his first pilgrimage to Mecca, one of roughly 10,000 Chinese Muslims estimated to have taken part in the hajj. The government has begun hiring Chinese Muslims to work in its Mideast embassies and state-owned companies that do business in the region.
But many Muslims here cite obstacles to developing ties with Muslims in other countries, and as a result, the Chinese remain largely isolated.
“There is really not a lot of understanding about us in the outside world,” Ma said.
Linxia, once known as Hezhou, has been a center of Islam for centuries and now enjoys a climate of religious tolerance. But Muslims elsewhere in China face more restrictions. In Xinjiang, for example, Muslim schools are tightly monitored and are allowed only limited numbers of students.
Many of the same societal problems that fueled protests by Islamic immigrants in Europe - discrimination, lower education levels, higher unemployment, a sense of cultural separation from the dominant majority - can be found in China, too.
China’s Muslim population is stable, but among upwardly mobile Chinese, Islam is not as popular as Buddhism or Christianity. The pressure to assimilate, too, has watered down Islam in many places; in cities, some people who call themselves Muslims abstain from eating pork but rarely attend mosque.
Not so in Linxia. At the Muslim schools in the city, most of the students are young boys from poor families who may one day became imams. It will be their job to navigate the delicate task of being Muslim in China.
“Obviously, we’re different from Muslims in other parts of the world,” said Ma Ruxiong, a teacher at the Nanguan Mosque, the city’s oldest. “We just can’t go into the streets and protest. You have to have permission from the government. But there are other things we can do. We pray to Allah to protect all Muslims in the world.”
LINXIA, China Religion is often hidden in China, so the unabashed public display of Islam here in the city known as Little Mecca is particularly striking. Men have beards and wear white caps. Women wear head scarves. Minarets poke up from large mosques. A bookstore sells Korans and religious study guides in Arabic.
These are reminders that with almost 21 million followers of Islam, China has roughly as many Muslims as Europe or even Iraq. But the openness of religion in this isolated region along the ancient Silk Road does not mean that China’s Muslims are active participants in the protests and seminal debates roiling the larger Islamic world. In that world, they are almost invisible.
A case in point is the outrage and violence over the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad that rippled through Islamic countries. Here in Linxia, which has more than 80 mosques, news of the cartoons spread quickly. The local religious affairs bureau also moved quickly. Local Muslims say officials visited imams and cautioned them against inciting followers.
The same happened in 2003, when a few protests broke out over the American invasion of Iraq. The China Islamic Association, the quasi-governmental agency that regulates Islam, quickly intervened and shut down the protest.
Not that most Chinese Muslims need any warning. With 1.3 billion people, China is so huge and Muslims constitute such a tiny minority that most Muslims intuitively learn to keep quiet.
“We can talk about these things among ourselves,” said a shopper at a Muslim bookstore. “But China has a law. We are not allowed to speak out about these things that are upsetting the Muslim world.”
The tight government regulation of religion, as well as restrictions on free speech, separates Muslims in mainland China from their peers in Hong Kong, where citizens enjoy far greater civil liberties. On Friday, Hong Kong Muslims held a protest against the cartoons.
Human rights groups have long criticized the lack of religious freedom in China, pointing to harsh treatment of underground Christians, Tibetan Buddhists and Uighurs, the Muslim ethnic group in the western region of Xinjiang. Yet other Chinese Muslim groups that might be expected to support the Uighurs have rarely done so.
Dru Gladney, a leading scholar on China’s Muslims, said the country’s 10 Muslim ethnicities usually find common cause only when they feel an issue denigrates Islam, as was the case with the cartoons. Gladney said the largest group, the Hui, regard some Uighurs as unpatriotic separatists who give other Chinese Muslims a bad name.
The Hui, he said, have blended fairly well into society by placing pragmatism over religious zeal and adopting the low profile of an immigrant group living in a foreign land - despite their presence in China for more than 1,300 years.
“They don’t tend to get too involved in international Islamic conflict,” said Gladney, a professor of Asian studies at the University of Hawaii. “They don’t want to be branded as radical Muslims.”
Yet Chinese Muslims should not be considered completely housebroken by authoritarian rule. Since the seventh century, when Islam began arriving in China along trading routes, there have been periodic Muslim revolts. Under the Communist Party, Muslim rage, if mostly contained on global issues, has erupted over localized affronts.
Large protests broke out in 1989, when Muslims took to the streets to denounce a book describing minarets as phallic symbols and comparing pilgrimages to Mecca to orgies. The government, which allowed the protests, quickly banned the book and even held a book burning.
A few years ago, thousands of Muslims protested in various cities after a pig’s head was nailed to the door of a Henan Province mosque. And last year, riots erupted after Hui from all over central China rushed to the aid of a Muslim involved in a traffic dispute.
At the Mayanzhuang Islamic school in Linxia, Ma Huiyun, 40, the director of studies, said the cartoons infuriated him and other local Muslims.
“But we have to cooperate with the government,” he said. “They asked us to be calm. They said they would speak on our behalf.”
Ma said Chinese Muslims want closer ties to the Islamic heartland in the Middle East. His school now has two computers to obtain news from the Arab world. This year, Ma made his first pilgrimage to Mecca, one of roughly 10,000 Chinese Muslims estimated to have taken part in the hajj. The government has begun hiring Chinese Muslims to work in its Mideast embassies and state-owned companies that do business in the region.
But many Muslims here cite obstacles to developing ties with Muslims in other countries, and as a result, the Chinese remain largely isolated.
“There is really not a lot of understanding about us in the outside world,” Ma said.
Linxia, once known as Hezhou, has been a center of Islam for centuries and now enjoys a climate of religious tolerance. But Muslims elsewhere in China face more restrictions. In Xinjiang, for example, Muslim schools are tightly monitored and are allowed only limited numbers of students.
Many of the same societal problems that fueled protests by Islamic immigrants in Europe - discrimination, lower education levels, higher unemployment, a sense of cultural separation from the dominant majority - can be found in China, too.
China’s Muslim population is stable, but among upwardly mobile Chinese, Islam is not as popular as Buddhism or Christianity. The pressure to assimilate, too, has watered down Islam in many places; in cities, some people who call themselves Muslims abstain from eating pork but rarely attend mosque.
Not so in Linxia. At the Muslim schools in the city, most of the students are young boys from poor families who may one day became imams. It will be their job to navigate the delicate task of being Muslim in China.
“Obviously, we’re different from Muslims in other parts of the world,” said Ma Ruxiong, a teacher at the Nanguan Mosque, the city’s oldest. “We just can’t go into the streets and protest. You have to have permission from the government. But there are other things we can do. We pray to Allah to protect all Muslims in the world.”
Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/19/news/muslims.php
Re: Good analysis: What the Muhammad cartoons portray
^ maybe because Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Islam, the holiest place of all things Islamic, the carrier of the torch, the direction every Muslim faces when praying, the largest exporter of Islamic doctrine? Yet they get a free pass when it comes to tolerance just because they don't pretend to be tolerant. That should be the first place emphasis should be put when demanding tolerance.
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
Who is the biggest hypocrite? Take your pick. A) Muslims B) Non-muslims C) You. I will go with C.
Dope Ji,
You can call me anything that pleases you, But all I can say to justify myself is that maybe I needed to word my statement in a different way, But I thought you would get a gist of what I was saying, I meant if you need to take offensive action Boycotting was the most effective way, rather than killing people and burning properties.
Rahi baat about Iraq and Afghanistan and Palestine etc, Dope ji can you please show me one example where I have condoned it, I have never supported it and never will, what is wrong is wrong, but just aping others makes nothing but monkeys out of us.
coming to my colonial masters, why is it that when we call a spade a spade we are labelled as slaves, you wrote a whole tirade about Us the Muslim World just doing what the west is doing, and calling it playing by International standards, but you also say that you dont condone it,
Now you tell me who is the hypocrite.
Aejaz
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
Talk about completely missing the point.
Its the damage to Danes’ pocket books thats gonna hurt. Muslims killing other muslims in muslim lands and destroying muslims’ properties in the name of protest, is just stupid and bad. But when it hurts the economies of these torch-bearers of freedom, then we’ll see.
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
I guess they underestimated didn’t they Noor?
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
Its the damage to Danes' pocket books thats gonna hurt. Muslims killing other muslims in muslim lands and destroying muslims' properties in the name of protest, is just stupid and bad. But when it hurts the economies of these torch-bearers of freedom, then we'll see.
No you completely miss the point.
The Danes are simply printing what everybody else is thinking. Rather than boycotting, spend your energies reigning in your extremists, and perhaps the world will have a little more respect for your hijacked religion.
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
Just got this forwarded from my uncle:
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Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
So if you act stupid should I post your Mum's pregnancy picture with the following caption "Political Mistake" just to let everybody else think as to why you behave like this? Will it not be offensive to you or to your family?
P.S. My apology, I'm not dragging your mother instead, making a point here
Re: Good analysis: What the Muhammad cartoons portray
http://www.sulekha.com/news/nhc.aspx?cid=444838
Why I Published Those Cartoons
By Flemming Rose
Sunday, February 19, 2006; Page B01
Childish. Irresponsible. Hate speech. A provocation just for the sake of provocation. A PR stunt. Critics of 12 cartoons of the prophet Muhammad I decided to publish in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten have not minced their words. They say that freedom of expression does not imply an endorsement of insulting people’s religious feelings, and besides, they add, the media censor themselves every day. So, please do not teach us a lesson about limitless freedom of speech.
I agree that the freedom to publish things
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
I dont think we should dismiss OGs point completely. This incident has made it abundantly clear that no matter what muslims do, (see peaceful protests and violent as well) western world has already formed an opinion and is not going to budge. If they want to stand their ground, I urge all my muslim brothers and sisters to stand fast and not give an inch to these hypocrits. The day that danes ask for forgiveness is the day we relent.
Dope has written an excellent reply to Aejaz's ass kissing of west. These are the kind of people who are so quick to blame their fellow muslims but do not have the stones to stand up to the hypocrisy doled out by the west.
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
^Completely agree.
Re: Muslim Boycotts of Danish Products Costly
Coming from you Ohioguy, this sounds even sadder than what it will be coming from a Dane. America has committed everything and more to make its points all over the world. To punish one person (Saddam) it practically killed thousands upon thousands of Iraqi children through sanctions that your then Secretary of State called “worth it”. To spread your global agenda of freedom, you bombed the heck out of two sovereign countries. Economic sanctions is the first threat to any world regime that you disagree with. And you are sitting here, telling us that violence and economic boycott will not get us respect. I am sure America knows a thing or two about how to get respect around the world, so we should listen to your views.
Coming back to the pesky issue of protests over Danish cartoons, I think the only thing remaining is to rein in the violent protestors. They are just destroying assets of their own counties, and tarnishing the image of Islam, even further. However, expanded inter-faith dialogue and complete boycott (to the extent possible) of Danish/European products is definitely a great way of making our point clear. In my mind its very clear that lack of prompt response from Danish Prime Minister/government really got this thing completely out of control. Next time, he gets a request from 11 ambassadors to meet with him, I bet he’ll be like “you must be sh!tting me, bring them in.” No nation can control all its morons, but the accept the responsibility, apologize and move on, differentiates a sensible and far-sighted government from a stubborn one. Danes are just reaping what they sow. I am less sorry for the innocent people in Denmark who will lose their jobs due to Arab boycott, as I am sorry for the innocent Iraqis who got killed due to America’s “Shock and Awe” to terrorize Saddam Hussein and his dictatorship. In the infamous words of your Secretary of State, “its worth it”.
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
it isnt so long back that french wine was being spilled in the streets, freedom fries were being legislated and cheese had become unpatriotic simply because another country dared to disagree with their war-happy. talk of us paying heed instead to what "everyone" is thinking is so hypocritical coming from supporters of a war and war mongerer which has had the largest public demonstrations against it in history across the planet.
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
Bataon yaar kahan kahan firangi sharran fenk rahen hain? Main abhi jaounga. Aray bhai mizhko dedo, fenk nahi dena.
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
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This is how we protest.
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
Todd,
I don’t know what your point is, that I am in some sort of minority politically? (and, if you can’t leave my mother out of it, please shut your hole). Maybe the rest of you guys are just immune to the message. Here is a survey done by Cornell University in 2004. (do you think views on Islam have changed for the better since 2004?) The results would make the Danes blush:
The survey also examined the relation of religiosity to perceptions of Islam and Islamic countries among Christian respondents. Sixty-five percent of self-described highly religious people queried said they view Islam as encouraging violence more than other religions do; in comparison, 42 percent of the respondents who said they were not highly religious saw Islam as encouraging violence. In addition, highly religious respondents also were more likely to describe Islamic countries as violent (64 percent), fanatical (61 percent) and dangerous (64 percent). Fewer of the respondents who said they were not highly religious described Islamic countries as violent (49 percent), fanatical (46 percent) and dangerous (44 percent). But 80 percent of all respondents said they see Islamic countries as being oppressive toward women.
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Dec04/Muslim.Poll.bpf.html
Now, from that poll, it would seem as if it was just a matter of time unitl the bomb in a turban showed up. It is not some small sliver of the West that correlates Islam with violence, it is a huge portion, if not a majority that has this perception. Now of course, people will always give you the Politically Correct blah, blah, blah about a small minority of fanatics, but look at some of the conclusions from the same survey:
**About 27 percent of respondents said that all Muslim Americans should be required to register their location with the federal government, and 26 percent said they think that mosques should be closely monitored by U.S. law enforcement agencies. Twenty-nine percent agreed that undercover law enforcement agents should infiltrate Muslim civic and volunteer organizations, in order to keep tabs on their activities and fund raising. About 22 percent said the federal government should profile citizens as potential threats based on the fact that they are Muslim or have Middle Eastern heritage. In all, about 44 percent said they believe that some curtailment of civil liberties is necessary for Muslim Americans. **
Is this a completely irrational fear? Everyday we are treated to the Bomb-of-the-Day. The virtual daily flood of blood, guts and gore as funeral parties are bombed, mosques explode, churches burn, beheadings, kidnappings, ranting tapes, AK-47 toting diatribes, are forming public opinion. These are powerful visual messages. How long do you expect people to regurgitate the PC line of “Religion of Peace” when they are confronted daily with more and more horric images? Geez guys, people views of Islam are not irrational, not without fact. These images started long before Afghanistan and Iraq. Munich, Cruise ships, Airliners, Embassies, and then of course Bali, Madrid, London, And 9/11. Intentional massacre of innocents.
When a buddy pulls you aside to tell you you have bad breath, is he doing you a favor? Do you take a mint, or blast the guy by telling him that his mothers breath sucks too?
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
^ Doesnt paranoia sort of skew the actual results?
(Todd that was not right to bring family into it. Even if you meant it as an example, I think we should avoid such stuff)
and OG I once thought it was possible for you to be open minded. sigh
Re: Cartoon related threads/Protests (all threads merged)
Ohioguy, you're just painting your worldview as the world's. you completely fail to address points raised by dope, faisal and myself, especially regarding amerca's own actions with respect to collective punishment, economic boycotts, and disregard for public opinion about its actions and image around the world. For those who understand urdu murghay ki ek tang wali baat hai.
you look sad talking about reacting positively to criticism and discourse when you are the person who declared intentions of discriminating against a community when it came to whatever influence you had in universities based on certain views expressed here on this forum.
try showing some credibility by being sensitive to the views of others before you lecture us on how we should be. if its about bad breath, the whole world has been offering breath mints on every available forum every where an american leader goes for a very long time now.