Carter: Israeli apartheid 'worse'

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Seminole!! the facts are indisputable how long do u think ppl will believe this charade!!! who are you trying to play with this!!! there is no doubt in anyone’s mind that between the Palestinians and the Israeli state the state of Israel, hands down has inflicted far more violence!!!

here’s some stats! and while yours are from 1952 onwards to 1999! these are merely from 2000 to 2004!!

The very inception of the “holy” state of Israel is ridden in blood lust! Israeli hostoy documents how palestinians were killed! The Jewsih ppl from Europe did not come into a land that was empty. it wasnt like suddenly they were like, oh look alll this land for us to inhabit and no one lives here, read israel’s own hisotry - they came to a place that was filled iwht ppl, and those ppl were exterminated! when u kill people in that manner, u can not be surprised when suddenly your neighbors become hostile!

in any event: here’s the list of palestinian dead! if u are here telling us that b/t Israel and Paelstinians - Paelstinians are more violent, u have got to be out of mind, if u think anyone on this planet believs that!!! unless they are blind and deaf! I am sure there are many who eblieve that lives of palestinians are of no consequences and thus matter less, but save for these bigots, i think the facts are quite clear on the history of violence!

here’s the list of palestinians dead. Mind you these sources are much harder to find, as wikipidea, and google, and pretty much the whole net is fillled with Pro-israeli facts! (the link: http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/Palestinian_killed_fact_sheet.htm)

unfortunately i was not able to cute and paste the information from the website here, i will try again!
but note as per the website, b/t spetember 2000 and may 2004 about 3,020 palestinians were killes

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Is there a chronology of attacks carried out by Israel ?

My GS crushes
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Palestinian President thinks otherwise.

Official Israeli policy is to steal Palestinian land.

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Even today, 70% of all Israelis are willing to give up West Bank for peace with the Palestinians.
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Why are Israelis still stealing Palestinian land? Somebody is being deceitful here.

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And the Palestinians and Palestinians First Arabs and muslims who still encourage the palestinians to fight on making their situation even worse
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It's the lie told again and again by Israel and 'Israel First' crowd. Saudi prince is doing business with Israeli companies just fine. So are Turkey and Jordan. How often are people going to repeat these baseless claims?

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The cycle of violence will continue until palestinians come to their senses and people who support them come to their senses and acknowledge that israel is here to stay and lets negotiate for the west bank.
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They did. Abu Mazen, the Palestinian president has made it clear that he accepts and acknowledges Israel's right to exist.

On the other hand, Israel continues to steal Palestinian land. The dishonesty of Israel and 'Israel First' Americans is what's destroying any chances of peace just like it's destroying Palestinian lives.

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Carter's book exposes the lies and deceit of the state of Israel which are not given it's due coverage in the US media. Putting blame of all ills in the M.East on Arabs and Palestinian is a very dishonest approach to a peaceful solution since Israel continue to destroy any chances for peace by its:

  • illegal land grab of Palestinina land.
  • Road blocks.
  • Water re-routing which destroys Palestinain crops.
  • Creating 'Apartness' (Apartheid) between Palestinina villages and communities.
  • Building highways to connect illegal settlements which are excluded to Palestinians albeit built on stolen Palestinian lands and properties.
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Mercernary 2k is so excited that he attribute farwah.raza's post to me. :D

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umm...yea just b/c i dont see it your way doesnt mean i dont understand it!!! perhaps you need to open your mind, remove the hate from your heart and then see the facts as they are not as you have convuluted them to be! Mercenery!

which lends...me to think of the merceneries in Iraq! I heard quite a few of the hired merceneries (who are private contracters hired to kill and thus are above and beyond any law pretty much) came from the great state of Israel. no wonder those palestinians were just killed in Iraq!

bigots filled with hate i can not imagine the kinda violence they must be inflicting on the Iraqi's

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...nice and one sided, just the way you like it...are we to assume no Palestinains were killed during that period?

The so-called terror incidents (sorry dude, there just isn't enough context there to give that list any credence) are in fact infrequent...I wouldn't be surprised if Israel's homicide rate is higher...

While all throughout that time, Palestinians were being brutalized and treated like animals...no body counts were kept...how typical of racists.

If anything, the Palestinian insurgency was low-key...almost non-existent until recent.

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Mr Seminole you post from some curious sources. Also from your link.

Are you a Trekkie? :slight_smile:

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Star Trek is a relavent subject since so many of us seem to be assimilated to a Borg-like existence.

I'm just tired of the Palestinian apologists pretending they have been innocent victims in all this. After the aggression by the Arabs and the resounding victory by the Israelis in 1967, they had enough of the attacks coming from the Palestinian territories and captured the land.

Since then Israel has been brutal in responding to the continued attacks, instituted some dracaonian policies, built ill-advised settlements and has been as belligerent as the Palestinians in many ways. But these policies did not appear out of thin air. Israel was (and is) in a position of strength and it was and is up to the Palestinians to step up the plate instead of electing a terrorist government. You play, you pay and the Palestinians have played an ugly, disasterous game from the beginning.

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mercenary and seminole...here's my two cents, I doubt they will make a difference!

AIPAC - the American israeli lobbying group is the most powerful lobbying group in the US! i mean the one and only issue the determines which politicians will win or loose in Us elections is support of israel! if u support israel and millitary contracts for israel - you win, otherwise u loose! other issues like education, health care, etc etc are all secondary! this is the truth! and most educated ppl familiar with politics and lobbying are aware of the giant that AIPAC is.

why i mention this is the following, u may be able to have ppl kiss your ass b/c of fear, but what happens when the smoke and mirror clears...and ppl realize u are but infact a dwarf and not a giant. You see all those friends you make through fear will stop kissing your ass and start kicking it the minute they realize they can! The reason why the American administration, politicians, and people support Israel in the overwheliming manner that they do is not b/c they think that Israel has done such wonderful things for the US that they must always remain best friends, but largely just b/c of fear.

I dont know if you are ale to hear it, but i do.....there is soooo much disdain behind that fear, i shudder to think what would happen if ever that fear no longer exists. Hence i question the logic of making enemies on all sides of the planet. If u look at muslim history we have been and continue to be far more tolerant of the Jewish people then europeans.

Islam is an eastern religion, we are generally open-minded and open-hearted ppl inspite of our occasional bouts of violence. The manner in which Islam was spread and the manner in which euro-christaintiy was spread is evidence of our tolerance of all different ppl. if u look at muslim countires u will note ppl of all different shpaes sized and colors, this is b/c the indigent ppl converted to Islam. So south east asians converted, africans converted, east asians converted, eastern europeans converted, and thus the indigent populations of each of the areas where Islam spread remained as they were. Meanwhile christianity was spread in a far more violent manner. If you look at the areas where christianity was spread to the indigenous populations were wiped off! for instance, outside of europe u have christians in north america, the indigent native americans were exterminated, adn what now is christain american is actually european descendants. Same thing in Latin america, the native american population is marginalized and is a minority ont he continent, most of the christain ppl there are descendants of europeans and slaves that were brough there from africa. Same thing with Australia.
For whatever reason there is a tendency in the suro-christain culture of extreme intolerance - not of jsut we cant live with you, its more like...we need to wipe u off the planet!

So i question the logic - that the survival of the jewish ppl and the jewish state depends on alienating muslims and making them enemies, while befriending (or coercing even forcing friendship of) the european christian nations, when u know that there is this tendency in the euro-christian culture to wipe off all ppl fromt eh planet who are different.

while i hope it doesnt happen but sh-it ever does hit the fan for Israel, believe me it will not be b/c of muslim bigotry - we are not capable of inflicting that sorta violence. Even if all the muslims on the planet were wiped off, the state of Israel would not be safe, b/c Muslims are not the ones Israel or Jews need to worry about.

I hope for the sake of our planet that such a day never comes, but if Israel is ever "wiped off" the face of the planet, such an attack will not come from amongst any Muslims, as we are not capable of such a thing. If lord forbit such a thing does happen, it will be among the Muslims that the Jews will find refuge.

Muslims are naive perhaps even stupid when it comes to being outspoken,. it does not matter that the bully is twice thier size they will stand up and say something like u are an evil nation, even when everyone else coyly is being diplomatic or even sweet on the outiside while they rot with hatred on the inside.

you have to understand it truly is the politics of the Israel palestinina situation that has created such a wedge b/t the nations. Look at Iran for instance, Jews have lived there quite peacefully. They live in some of the richest and most beautiful parts of Iran and had significant power in the country.

I suspect if the Jewish ppl were truly willing to make peace with the Muslim people they would never have to use force to keep that friendship. when we make friends we truly mean it, when we make enemies we are not afraid to call them that.

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Palestinian President has no power.

Maybe because constant attacks on Israel has led to the elections of hardliners.

As long as racist strereotypes in Arab Media continue agaisnt Jews

Why hasnt Hamas done so?

Well maybe they should stop rocket attacks on Israel and let peace work instead of provoking Israel which results in a crushing response

When you play around with a beehive, dont complain if u get stung

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Do you have anything substantative to say here ?

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The occupation of Palestine by Israel began in 1967.

And before that it was Egypt and Jordan occupying it.

If Palestinians want peace they can have it but give up their notion of destroying Israel and if not they will never have peace.

Its simple as that.

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I higly recommend ppl buy the book "my name is rachael corrie" i think thats what it is!!! amazing book, and play actually.

Its by an american, christain, blonde hair blue eyed girl...i think blue eyes..anyway, so perhaps more believable then arabs of the crisis the Palestinians live in. She went from Seattle to Palestine to help the palestinians, she was purposefully bulldozed over by the Israeli's who were bulldozing a palestinian home.

I mean it just details there daily life. There electricity runs out, there is usually shots just fired at palestinian ppl, most if not all homes have bullets through the walls. whenever they try and grow anything there land is ripped apart byt he israeli's they built homes that are destroyed there children are shot infront of thier eyes. Their ppl are mistreated daily! they are all made out to be terrorists by virtue of thier creed.
Regardless of the majority that only wants peace....they are all, even thier unborn children, and thier 3 yr old daughters are all considered terrorists and punished like that, even before they ever open thier mouths, and some even before they ever open thier eyes.
I mean u just can not imagine the mental and physical anguish the palestinian ppl live under - in thier daily life! I think they have an almost inhuman strength and patience!

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the only reason that AIPAC is so strong is because they have people who engage in proper discussion and not useless banter which typifies the typical arab response to everything.

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No not really. Its mostly due to the fact that most of Israel’s enemies are also America’s enemies. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

But not any more

What is the point of all this?

I love Islam and have never ever criticized it.

I criticize Muslims not Islam.

Never have and never will.

I already know all this.

Right now it looks like militant islam is the one trying to wipe out other religions

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Really what do you call the war of 48 and the war of 67 and that baboon in Iran calling for the destruction of Israel and Hezbollah and Hamas and Al Qaeda preaching the same crap

And that is their downfall. Muslims need to be more diplomatic than militant. You wonder why AIPAC is so strong, there is your reason

1 MP does not constitute as being powerful

Then explain the hatred of Jews in Muslim countries.

Look at Egypt and its vicious carcitures of Jews in the Egyptian Media

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Good job, you attributed the correct post to me this time. :D

Israeli govt. that does have power continues to steal Palestinian land
and exacerbate extremely poor living conditions for Palestinians.

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Maybe because constant attacks on Israel has led to the elections of hardliners.
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Palestinian who have under a savage Israeli occupation also picked a hardliner govt. Surprise!

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As long as racist strereotypes in Arab Media continue agaisnt Jews
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Now this is lame. Arabs have come a long way to accept Jews in the M. East. Saudi princes are doing business with Israel and many Arab countries have trade ties with them. On the other hand, stereotypes of Muslims in the Western world are growing more negative as the eye-racky invastion goes worse.

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Why hasnt Hamas done so?
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Why are Israelis stealing Palestinian land, water, and building illegal settlements?

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Well maybe they should stop rocket attacks on Israel and let peace work instead of provoking Israel which results in a crushing response
When you play around with a beehive, dont complain if u get stung
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Israel's brutal occupation of Palestinian land, stealing their water, killing innocent people is what's keeping the cycle of violence alive. Palestinian people want peace. It's too bad that Israelis think they can exterminate Palestinian and squat on their land forever. Until that mentality changes, Israel will continue the cycle of violence; and, world's opinion they will be the worst apartheid state in the world. Jimmy Carter also thinks so.

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You should talk.

You have been parroting same lines over and over again. Jimmy Carter is not a liar. No American politician would call Israel an apartheid state because AIPAC would ensure a swift end of his/her political career.

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When did I call him a liar?

You need to read my posts instead of just brushing over them and assuming what I write

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The link you provided is ridiculous, as is your earlier claim that the ANC did not particpate in terrorist attacks.

Most of the world is getting pretty tired by the apolgists for Israeli crimes, and after Israel's defeats in Lebanon less people are believing in it's so-called military invicibilty.

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umm...okay i will have to do a u said, i said:

Mercenary u said: If it is a myth, then why doesnt Hamas and Islamic Jihad recognize Israel's right to exist?

I replied: You and I both know that the violence inflicted on the palestinians people is not b/c they are unwilling to recognize the state of Israel!!!!

*You said: The number of Palestinians that have been killed by Jews is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of Arabs killed by other Arabs. So why dont you rail agaisnt that according to your philosophy? *

I replied: this is a fairly common tactic amongst those that defend israel's right to slaughter palestinians! its like saying....why are u looking at us butchering children....there are so many other more vile and vicious things happening hte world!!! arabs are not occupying other arabs in the same manner! and whatever arabs are doign to arabs the whole palnet over is irrelevant in re the israeli palestinians debate! what is relevant is what the israeli's and palestininas are doing to each other, and in that context there is no doubt that Israel's actions towards the Paelstininas is far far farrrrr! more violent that anything the other way around!

You said: If they dont they will continue to lose

I replied: how long do u think the smoke and mirrors will last? Ppl will one day will be able to see past it and realize that hte giant is only just a dwarf!
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You said: According to you. Understand the Israel Palestine dispute before making such comments which shows the lack of your knowledge in such matters*

and finally I replied: umm...yea just b/c i dont see it your way doesnt mean i dont understand it!!! perhaps you need to open your mind, remove the hate from your heart and then see the facts as they are not as you have convuluted them to be! Mercenery!

which lends...me to think of the merceneries in Iraq! I heard quite a few of the hired merceneries (who are private contracters hired to kill and thus are above and beyond any law pretty much) came from the great state of Israel. no wonder those palestinians were just killed in Iraq!

bigots filled with hate i can not imagine the kinda violence they must be inflicting on the Iraqi's

so u see i have much of substance to say here!!!!