Can you rank the castes from highest to lowest

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^^ I talked about hindu religion’s caste system because someone was associating Pakistani cultural caste system with hinduism’s religious caste system. Otherwise seriously, I have better things to do in my life than slandering people/religions. What I stated about hinduism caste system is exactly what you can google about it. Saying that I was ‘criticizing’ hinduism is your baseless accusation. If stating facts is ‘criticizing’ in your mind then be it. You better google and then accuse all the pages with the same information as ‘criticizing’ hindu religion.

***"To be born a Hindu in India is to enter the caste system, one of the world’s longest surviving forms of social stratification. Embedded in Indian culture for the past 1,500 years, the caste system follows a basic precept: All men are created unequal. The ranks in Hindu society come from a legend in which the main groupings, or varnas,emerge from a primordial being. From the mouth come the Brahmans—the priests and teachers. From the arms come the Kshatriyas—the rulers and soldiers. From the thighs come the Vaisyas—merchants and traders. From the feet come the Sudras—laborers. Each varna in turn contains hundreds of hereditary castes and subcastes with their own pecking orders.

***A fifth group describes the people who are achuta, or untouchable. The primordial being does not claim them. Untouchables are outcasts—people considered too impure, too polluted, to rank as worthy beings. Prejudice defines their lives, particularly in the rural areas, where nearly three-quarters of India’s people live. Untouchables are shunned, insulted, banned from temples and higher caste homes, made to eat and drink from separate utensils in public places, and, in extreme but not uncommon cases, are raped, burned, lynched, and gunned down."

**The above copied from one of those google websites. On other sites, the fifth group of “Untouchables” is explained as religious minorities including Muslims and ‘Children of God’ which I believe is a term used for Christians. Is the above also wrong info or “criticism” of hindu religion?

That should also tell you if stating facts about hinduism is coming across as ‘criticism’ then where the problem lies. Enough said!


@Thornewood9

Dont waste your time because I have seen that some posters here are ignorant BY CHOICE, not because they lack awareness.

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Lambiyan rahwan doongay painday, one step at a time. :slight_smile:

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I always thought caste was Gujjar, Arai, Khattik etc. And as far as I know there’s no ranking there. Its just what that family’s ancestors did or who they were. The Hindu caste system does have ranking where Brahmin are the highest and the untouchables are lowest. Think I’ve just confused myself now.
Anyways my point was its not wrong to ask during marriage proposals because its a measure of compatibility.

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Any believer of any religion will maintain that their religion is perfect. That’s why people say never to discuss politics or religion.

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What is doongay painday?

Long journey (path)
One step at a time?

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Re last sentence I partially disagree. Because the practical outcome is one does eliminate what is known as “lower caste” by eliminating certain castes. Am pretty sure the chamars are low in the totem pole in Pakistan

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Maybe there are some Pakistanis influenced by the Hindu caste system who apply the ranking system then. In my case and my friends and the example I gave of a Gujjar marrying a Khattik the asking about caste is not about eliminating “lower” caste its about compatibility after marriage. All about intention. If your intention is to be arrogant and thinking you are superior to another family just because of their caste then that’s a fault that lies in you. (Not specifically you just a generalised “you”.)

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Well only similarity between Pakistani and Hindu Caste system is that of Syeds.

Brahmins are holy men - free from defect - destined to Paradise.
Syeds are holymen - free from defect - destined to Paradise.

Syeds believe (entirely incorrect and baseless) that they are the Prophet SAW’s progeny. And marrying outside will somehow pollute their bloodline - and the religious cover is provided as well.

So Punjabies may have a lots of castes and preferences - but its not like the Syed/Non-Syed distinction which religious tint.

Question: Do any urdu speaking people adhere to Syed/ Non-Syed thingy?

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A female cousin of mine (Punjabi) is married to a Syed (Urdu speaking). Another Syed (Punjab based shia) proposed to me but I had to say no, not because of their sector/caste but because of some other customs/traditions of their family and some personality differences between the guy and me. Although, I heard too many stories from the guy telling me how Syeds are the best of Muslims for being from the prophets family. Supposedly, a strictly religious family (Like iranians). I was worried how I would adjust to their family customs. The point being, there are Syeds who happily marry outside of their family too.

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Not talking about exceptions here, are we?

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That is why I stated I partially disagree. In the specific case, it was not abt ranking - I agree. But you may want to check into those who clean latrines - what caste they are. And if the get considered by Gujjar Khattik or others for alliances.

In other words, the Hindu remnants of the caste system are alive and well. People just don’t realize it. Or some don’t want to accept it.

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Can you be a Syed if you are a shia?

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Only God knows. The guy told his entire ancestry going back to Imam Hassan/Hussein and Iraq most of which I did not understand even though I tried to understand.

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You got it the other way around. Your question should be, Can you be a syed, if you are not a shia? From what I heard (may be others can confirm here) most if not all shia do claim to be syeds.

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Doongay = gaihray = deep
Painday = raasta = path

Rahwan and painday can be interchangeable at times.

Its based on the song lambiyan rahwan okhay painday = journey on a path full of hurdles.

I used doongay, because you have to dig deep, to free yourself of the shackles. Once you do, you are ready to walk the path of reform, which is lengthy, but inevitably leads to immense benefits for those who dare venture on this journey.

Whether any of this made sense, I’m unsure of. Not on your level when it comes to making (random) ramblings littered with wisdom. :slight_smile:

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Ram Ram bava jee.

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Made.perfect.sense. thanks!

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What is bava?

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Baba.

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Ok. Got confuje. Parsees are called bava I think