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And for financial conditions …

If a woman finds that she has to work because of necessity, she is permitted to work outside the home, as is indicated by the fact that the two daughters of Shu’ayb used to water the sheep, and the story of Asma’ bint Abi Bakr working outside the home. If a woman is widowed with children, and has no breadwinner and is receiving no money from the Bayt al-Maal (treasury), it is permissible for her to earn a living. Although we say that a woman is permitted to work outside the home when it is necessary, she should nevertheless do only the work she needs to do in order to meet her needs. If a woman has professional skills which not every woman possesses, and which are needed by other woman and society as a whole, then it is permissible for her to practice her profession outside the home, so long as she adheres to the conditions prescribed by sharee’ah and has the permission of her legal (shar’i) guardian. The evidence that it is permissible for the woman to work outside the home in a field where there is a need for her work, as long as she adheres to the conditions prescribed by sharee’ah, is to be seen in the fact that at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), midwives used to attend women in labour, and skilled women used to practice circumcision, and he did not condemn them for doing so. It is also known that Rufaydah al-Ansaariyyah used to treat the wounded in her tent, which had been set up in the mosque for that purpose. She was very skilled in treating the sick, and her work was done with the knowledge and express permission of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Sa’d ibn Mu’aadh was transferred to her tent for treatment. This indicates that it is permissible for a woman to practice her profession outside the home, and by analogy we may deduce that it is permissible for a female doctor to open a clinic outside her home for the treatment of women and children.

the whole fatwa is given as : http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=286&ln=eng&txt=working%20women

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You’re absolutely right.

That is EXACTLY what i said.

:halo:

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sister...i agree. Alhamdulilah that my financial circumstances are different to many working women. thanks to Allah for that.
those women who work outside to help their husband are doing ' jihad '. And inshaAllah you'll get your reward from Allah for that.

as dawa-i-dil has said , we're only talking about those women who dont need to work but still they do and most of them leave their kids to the child minders to take care.

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First the apple and now this. Will Woman never learn?

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^ No...we're all evil and stupid :(

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There are good and bad people in almost every school/college/university/house/village/city/group/catagory/gender/family/community/organization/culture/country/continent/planet/solar system/ galaxy/universe....etc

Generalization can only be allowed in three cases.

  1. All people in hell would be bad

  2. All devils are bad

  3. All angels are good

  4. All people in heaven would be good

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Four is not equal to three. Which one of those is a lie?

liar

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lolz...actually I first wanted to mention the hell and heaven catagory in one point but than decided against it so I appologise for the mistake:D

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very well said...by STP ...noone has a right to make any generalization about any gender by his/her own experiences and then start pasting it on the whole of the community living on the face of earth....i fully agree with you....

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not at all .....

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Sir ...

I believe you are the one making false assumptions...ie you assume women who have no need to work cannot raise kids. So who is generalising now....

One more thing whats really the difference btw a woman who needs to work and a woman who does not need to work...
They both stay out of the house for a no. of hours a day and leave their kids with other people...
so if you are saying that woman who does not need to work cannot care for her children...
then in the similar logic you are implying a woman who has need to work cannot care for her children.
Probly the case of a mother who has financial need may be working longer hours and less pay...so she is as per your line of thinking a worse mother!

Once again generalising.

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time and again io said that majority ...from post 1 to this post... not generalization but specification !!!!!! as already told to you by hareem01

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no sis...again wrong... i already said in many posts that all 5 fingers are not equal...so there are mothers with full time job since that they have excellent children while there are also mothers who stay at home....still thier children raised up in a bad way....

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Aly-sam , why you being taking it as a personal attack on your "feminish" ego and dignity ...i talked about in relation to society not attacking women at all...although the blame come to women as well as they are the major constituent of a society ...thats why i quoted the fatwa from the world greatest islamic site....which in detail ...talk about all conditions and terms necessary for a women to go out if necessary and what conditions are to be applied....:)

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Wow...gotto hand it to you...you just go on and on dont you...

Aly-sam and her "feminish" ego and dignity bow to you.

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dawa_i_dil,

Women have always been given a very high respect in the society according to scriptures but people stopped following it millennia ago. Mistreatment/discrimination of/against women in society, workplace and/or even homes continues even today...it is more pronounced in Eastern societies whether you like it or not,, it is an unvarnished truth.

So far raising children is concerned it is not easy but is fun if people don't shy away from this responsibility...

Children are keen observers of the world around them....they emulate the actions of parents at home. If parents set an example (good/bad)...children will be influenced by it.

If parents keep fighting in front of children,,,they will suffer from insecurity, lack of self esteem et al. Human behaviour is very much influenced by the childhood events which create lastig impressions on young minds.

Being a good human being creates a good family...a good family contributes to a good society..and good society leads to a good nation. You see at the centre of it is a single person...effects of his/her conduct radiate outwards.

Whether mother is working or not, it hardly matters, but in latter case it puts a challenge on parents to draw a balance between office life, domestic life and personal life. Raising children for working parents is difficult but very much possible...life was never a bed of roses :)

I know couple of cases where husband was having a job in merchant navy...long assignments away from home...so invariably it was mom who was playing multiple roles of mother/father/housewife et al.

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very true.. i agree with you....I admit that Eastern societies usually indo-pak area is famous for this kind of thing...but believe me ..it has nothing to do with islam..as you already quoted..that religious scriptures gave very high position to women and the last and final scripture gave the highest position to women...not posing it as i am muslim but this is the reality....and i am sorry to say ... i am not against hinduism or hindus..all are human beings of allah...but this is also reality that when muslims and hindus lived for 1000 years toghether..both accepted many many things of each other unintentionally...in hinduism...the widow was burnt alive (Satti) with the chitta of her husband .....if not then not second marriage allowed to her she for the whole life used to wear white saari ..always in sad mood...no chance to enjoy her life...she could not go to marriages as people used to call her "Manhoos" ...etc etc..so exactly same behaviours trickled into muslims also...if a widow marry again...people take it the hot topic of the day ..... that might she hs done some "sin"... second marriage is degraded in our society...whereas in islam it is highly recommended and historically proved....people used to avoid widow to thier marriages...also not bring her to stage in front of brigdegroom so that her "saya" or misforune cannot affect the new couple and something like that nonesense...when Shah abdul aziz Dehlvi saw all this...he himself married the widow of his elder brother to break such psuedo norms of the society and he was strictly criticized....but he did not care...he was the son of Shah Wali Ullah Dehlvi and his family is considered as the greatest revivalists of islam in its true form....thier 7 great family members still rest in peace in the Graveyard of Muhanndia in old Delhi....may be you have heard about that graveyard....

                 The point is eastern society what do..it has nothing to do with religion..they are just the society norm..or inter-mixing o culture attitue of 1000 yer ..while both also  accepte many thing..ie many hindus .. you now..repect the Muharram...also bring tazia...sabeel of sharbat or milk etc etc...so this is the multitide cultural things which lead us to the degration and less value of woman..regarding islam is concerned ..it gives her the best status ...before islam..if a daughter born to a father..she was burried alive ...but when prophet(pbuh) came ..he said ...if a man has 3 sisters or 3 daughters ..and he will raise them in good manner..jannah will be wajib on him...one man asked if sisters and daughters are 2 ..then...he replied even then jannah is wajib on him...then the narrator say i do not ask for 1 sister or daughter as i feel ashamed  but i am sure ..if i had asked this..prophet(pbuh) would have replied the same....

excellent observation...fully agreed .....

yes ..i agree ...working parents can manage it though difficult....but i was taliking particularly about the ase when both at home..financially Ok...no such huge money problem..still both work...and in many many cases..if not all...there is must an affect on children....the point you raised is true..life is never a bed of roses...i agree...but we have made it a non-ending series of misfortunes just for the wordly desires and immortal luxuries !!!!

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But even if parents have huge wealth...they need to get involved in constructive activities....some people choose to do jobs.

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no sis...who said this to you.....i am just pointing about the burning issue of the society...it has nothing to do with that i am against the women..very narriow-minded..wanted to keep women in blue jali burqa of taliban ......suppression and oppression lover....etc etc ..what uually NGO's propagate about the muslims...the point is in this burning ssue..unfortunately ..he working women have definitely some role(without financial problems)...so if discuss the matter...then it never ever means taht i am against women..infact i myself have mother..sisters etc..how can i think in a way that there will be male rule verywhere !!!!!!

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^ As i have already quoted in some of my previous posts that women are one of the delicate......tender .....soft..... and one of the most respected members of a society .... so debating of some issue does never ever means that we should start negating the fact that women are the most respected element of a muslimsociety or any other society in general ....