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The outrage on TTP killings is there in my posts, I absolutely abhor them and would like to wipe them all of the face of this earth. Where is your outrage and condemnation of civilian killings by drones.
I absolutely and totally condemn deaths of civilians, but if there were no Taliban crossing and attacking NATO forces in Afghanistan there would be no drone attacks inside Pakistan. Btw, its also failure in part failure of GoP, and the armed forces for letting these people take shelter in Pakistan.
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Speak for yourself when you say that muslims aren't doing anything to improve their image.
Biased media, sheep mentality of people with the disability to think for themselves and people like you are ruining the image of muslims.
Lol funny I have traveled extensively to EU, and in every EU country they seems to have "Muslim problem" as one of my British colleague put it (before finding out that I was of Pakistani origin, and stated apologizing profusely & that he meant no insult lol). Biggest problem they have is failure of Muslims to assimilate into western countries. In Germany its the Turks, in UK its Mipuries (no offense to anyone my family is from Kashmir, too). In France, its the Algerians. Guess what all these groups have in common?
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It's really aching to hear what happened to that poor guy. My thoughts go out to his family.
But I can't believe how anti-Islam some of these British tabloids are esp' Daily Mail. They are spreading hate against Islam! Daily Mail is using the words, 'Islamic' and, 'Muslim' in all of its headings. I'm sick of reading the racist comments everywhere too esp' the hatred that has spread on Facebook.
When the elderly Muslim man was murdered recently by the white thug that crime wasn't classed as a terrorism crime but just a murder crime! Yet if a so-called Muslim commits a crime then their religion is linked to terrorism instantly! Double standards breeds intolerance. Murder is murder.
While I sympathize with your statement, I think it is important that we separate general lawlessness and terrorism. People who commit crimes do not use religion to justify their crimes apart from muslims( I would not like to call these idiots muslims since they do not conform themselves to the teachings of Islam) except for a few idiots here and there. KKK and other examples are confined to history.
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lol these muslims must be jinn because they can come back alive after burning in twin towers lololol.. u have been drinking the koolaid as they say. put it down for a sec.
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I absolutely and totally condemn deaths of civilians, but if there were no Taliban crossing and attacking NATO forces in Afghanistan there would be no drone attacks inside Pakistan. Btw, its also failure in part failure of GoP, and the armed forces for letting these people take shelter in Pakistan.
conditional condemnation and the reason they took shelter in Pakistan as I said earlier is due to the failure of the US forces to deal with them effectively in Afghanistan. Had they done that there would have been no problem, but at that time Bush and Cheney were too busy invading Iraq for their own oil companies and in the process killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
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Lol funny I have traveled extensively to EU, and in every EU country they seems to have "Muslim problem" as one of my British colleague put it (before finding out that I was of Pakistani origin, and stated apologizing profusely & that he meant no insult lol). Biggest problem they have is failure of Muslims to assimilate into western countries. In Germany its the Turks, in UK its Mipuries (no offense to anyone my family is from Kashmir, too). In France, its the Algerians. Guess what all these groups have in common?
lol at your colleague, lol lol. Next time tell him that the world has a white male pedosexuals problem. Not to offence him ofcourse, lol.
These trouble makers that you mentioned are small groups compared to the the whole community they belong to. They do not represent the whole community. The Turkish community is the largest ethnic minority in Germany, so relatively seen there will be more Turkish trouble makers compared to other minority groups.
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lol at your colleague, lol lol. Next time tell him that the world has a white male pedosexuals problem. Not to offence him ofcourse, lol.
These trouble makers that you mentioned are small groups compared to the the whole community they belong to. They do not represent the whole community. The Turkish community is the largest ethnic minority in Germany, so relatively seen there will be more Turkish trouble makers compared to other minority groups.
The site of a head to toe burqa is enough to make any European cringe regardless... On some level, I can understand their frustration at seeing whole neighborhoods turned into foreign enclaves that in no way resemble the culture they are accustomed to. We all fear a loss of cultural identity, its why Pakistanis cluster in their own neighborhoods, why there are Muslim schools etc, its human nature. So its understandable for Europeans to be concerned by what they see as a loss of their culture and identity.
Not wanting to adapt to the culture of the nation you have adopted as your own, is a bit of an insult aswell, however unintended, as you give the impression that your culture is somehow superior...
White people who we call racist have a point when they say they are shot down and made to feel guilty when they stand up for their cultural heritage, while foreigners doing the same are not.
Shouldnt Muslims who insist on living in these countries and yet refuse to become a part of those societies not bear some responsibility for the situation we find?
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^couldnt you apply those same priniciples to the early european settlers in america?? They didnt assimilate - in fact they did the complete opposite and tried to wipe out an entire race.
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It's really aching to hear what happened to that poor guy. My thoughts go out to his family.
But I can't believe how anti-Islam some of these British tabloids are esp' Daily Mail. They are spreading hate against Islam! Daily Mail is using the words, 'Islamic' and, 'Muslim' in all of its headings. I'm sick of reading the racist comments everywhere too esp' the hatred that has spread on Facebook.
When the elderly Muslim man was murdered recently by the white thug that crime wasn't classed as a terrorism crime but just a murder crime! Yet if a so-called Muslim commits a crime then their religion is linked to terrorism instantly! Double standards breeds intolerance. Murder is murder.
you make very good points.
the soldier was a killer a military combatant as the Americans like to say so is a valid target.
however i do know the muslims have a contract if living in place like UK to not attack civilians and obey the laws as long as the laws don't make them do haram actions.
the politicians want to call it a terrorist act to get political mileage out of the incident. It was a murder just as your example of elderly man who was killed by racists was called murder yet this is labelled terrorism.
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Their country & their rules. Love it or live it. Btw, Muslims aren't doing anything to improve their image. Who is to blame for that? Why aren't they after Hindus, Sikhs and other minorities?
Is britian and United States occupying India or bombing the hell out of it?
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Lol funny I have traveled extensively to EU, and in every EU country they seems to have "Muslim problem" as one of my British colleague put it (before finding out that I was of Pakistani origin, and stated apologizing profusely & that he meant no insult lol). Biggest problem they have is failure of Muslims to assimilate into western countries. In Germany its the Turks, in UK its Mipuries (no offense to anyone my family is from Kashmir, too). In France, its the Algerians. Guess what all these groups have in common?
Your opinion is based on a racist britian you met? wow how should we take that, how about not seriously to be polite.
when economies are in decline i,e across europe the agenda is set to blame minorities and that is exactly what you are doing.
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The site of a head to toe burqa is enough to make any European cringe regardless... On some level, I can understand their frustration at seeing whole neighborhoods turned into foreign enclaves that in no way resemble the culture they are accustomed to. We all fear a loss of cultural identity, its why Pakistanis cluster in their own neighborhoods, why there are Muslim schools etc, its human nature. So its understandable for Europeans to be concerned by what they see as a loss of their culture and identity.
Not wanting to adapt to the culture of the nation you have adopted as your own, is a bit of an insult aswell, however unintended, as you give the impression that your culture is somehow superior...
White people who we call racist have a point when they say they are shot down and made to feel guilty when they stand up for their cultural heritage, while foreigners doing the same are not.
Shouldnt Muslims who insist on living in these countries and yet refuse to become a part of those societies not bear some responsibility for the situation we find?
Then Europe should do what Saudi Arabia does. Ban all other cultural attires in public places so that no European feels offended by someone wearing an abaya or shalwar kameez. Do not allow the public practice of other religions so that no European feels threatened.
It's not understandable why any European should have a problem with other cultures when they're the ones boasting about being a free, tolerant society that gives equal rights and religious freedom to all. A free and diverse society that the UK claims to be is not defined by ONE culture. British Pakistanis, British Indians, British Chinese and whatnot, they are ALL British, they ALL define the British culture as a whole. So again, what identity exactly is being lost here? That you can only be a European if you're white and non-Muslim?
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so whats the deal with this anjem chaudhry guy? he's always in the media saying outrageous and inflammatory things, its been years. he's clearly embarrassing muslims with this stuff, why isn't anyone shutting his crap down? he just seems to get more and more articulate each time. why aren't there any conspiracy theories on him - is he a zionist agent? :\
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Then Europe should do what Saudi Arabia does. Ban all other cultural attires in public places so that no European feels offended by someone wearing an abaya or shalwar kameez. Do not allow the public practice of other religions so that no European feels threatened.
It's not understandable why any European should have a problem with other cultures when they're the ones boasting about being a free, tolerant society that gives equal rights and religious freedom to all. A free and diverse society that the UK claims to be is not defined by ONE culture. British Pakistanis, British Indians, British Chinese and whatnot, they are ALL British, they ALL define the British culture as a whole. So again, what identity exactly is being lost here? That you can only be a European if you're white and non-Muslim?
I didnt say they should shun all foreign cultures, I said its understandable that they would be upset at seeing their own culture being overwhelmed by foreigners. Its human nature to want to protect ones identity. Pakistanis who live in those insular communities in the UK are doing just that, protecting their identity.
Why is it so diffiuclt to comprehend Europeans, regardless of their govt policies, feeling as if their culture is under threat? We created wholly separate state (Pakistan) in order to protect our Muslim identity, yet Europeans feeling insecure about their cultures being undermined by foreigners is racist?
And just about every country claims they are free and tolerant. No country ever says we support bigotry, intolerance and subjugation...
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^couldnt you apply those same priniciples to the early european settlers in america?? They didnt assimilate - in fact they did the complete opposite and tried to wipe out an entire race.
Well of course, all of that is reprehensible, but past is past i suppose. No people are sinless, our history isnt all the stellar either. Still, to their credit,the Europeans have opened their countries up to people from all over the world today.
Im just trying to see this from a common perspective. We both, Europeans and non Europeans cherish our cultural identity, regardless of the crimes of our ancestors, our culture is still special to us. Pakistan has seen its share of culture clashes, Sindhi, Pathan nationalism is all to real. So why should we judge the British who are fearful of having their culture diluted by foreigners with any less sympathy?
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so whats the deal with this anjem chaudhry guy? he's always in the media saying outrageous and inflammatory things, its been years. he's clearly embarrassing muslims with this stuff, why isn't anyone shutting his crap down? he just seems to get more and more articulate each time. why aren't there any conspiracy theories on him - is he a zionist agent? :\
No, he is queer. You know how many republicans behave when in the closet.
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I didnt say they should shun all foreign cultures, I said its understandable that they would be upset at seeing their own culture being overwhelmed by foreigners. Its human nature to want to protect ones identity. Pakistanis who live in those insular communities in the UK are doing just that, protecting their identity.
Why is it so diffiuclt to comprehend Europeans, regardless of their govt policies, feeling as if their culture is under threat? We created wholly separate state (Pakistan) in order to protect our Muslim identity, yet Europeans feeling insecure about their cultures being undermined by foreigners is racist?
And just about every country claims they are free and tolerant. No country ever says we support bigotry, intolerance and subjugation...
And I'm offering a solution to end the misery of the not-so-racist Europeans - switch from multiculturalism to nativism. Create a monocultural, monofaith society instead of a multicultural, pluralist society if the "real Europeans" are really so opposed to cultural diversity.
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And I'm offering a solution to end the misery of the not-so-racist Europeans - switch from multiculturalism to nativism. Create a monocultural, monofaith society instead of a multicultural, pluralist society if the "real Europeans" are really so opposed to cultural diversity.
Your not offering anything, what your being is glib.
xenophobia is not a good thing. Idealy we should all strive for a society in which all people of all cultures can coexist. However, human nature is such that we do tend to xenophobic, and we do tend to be insular and insecure. Why not try to understand where those so called racists are coming from instead of denigrating them? Their concerns really arent any different from the concerns of most others, who want to preserve their own customs and cultures and are equally insecure among the Europeans.
One thing you could do is try to find ways to integrate into your chosen societies further. instead of seeing your place in that society as an entitlement, seeing it as a privilege.
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You can sympathise with the xenophobic, insular and insecure lot all you want, Med, but I won’t and let’s just leave it at that. And I’m certainly not going to waste my time studying the psyche of lunatics like these: Racist British Woman on the Tram - Full Video!! - YouTube